I frankly don't know, because the videast isn't disclosing the arguments of this, now pretty widespread, view among Academics.
8,000 Years Ago Women Made a Choice That Erased 90% of Men Forever
Psychryptoria | 6 Dec. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=054XkNgMsWU
Final thoughts.
Wealth accumulation isn't going away. Collectivising it will not counter an evil capital concentration, it will more likely radicalise it, into the hands of those controlling collective wealth.
And mankind won't be around 5000 years from now, with a history still ongoing, the best things we can do now is trying to allow happiness to flourish now and for the next generation, not implement drastic schemes that can destroy liberties for now but just might prove of evolutionary value in 5000 years time into the future. That future will not exist. 5000 is a little less time than between Adam and Christ, there is no way the time between First and Second coming (already at 2000 years) will outlast that.
4:57 Between 8000 and 5000 years ago.
6000 to 3000 BC (carbon dated).
- 2327 BC (!)
- 63.519 pmC, dated as 6079 BC
This is between Shela's death and Sarug's birth.*
- 1779 BC
- 85.963 pmC, dated as 3029 BC
This is after Ishmael died.*
So, did this kind of thing last for 3000 years? Or for 548 of them?
I'd say the latter and in this era when being a man who has descendants now meant so much of "being chosen" ... Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were also chosen. By God.
- Psychryptoria
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- Thanks for bringing up the dating question! You're right to note the difference between calibrated dates and the duration. The genetic studies I referenced use molecular clock models that suggest the bottleneck period itself lasted roughly 2,000-3,000 years (with peak intensity around 7,000-5,000 years ago), though dating precision at these timescales always has uncertainty ranges.
The key point isn't the exact century-by-century timeline, but the pattern: for an extended period during the Neolithic transition, we see dramatically reduced Y-chromosome diversity while mitochondrial DNA stayed stable. Whether that's 500 years or 3,000 years in specific regions, the social dynamics that created it remain worth examining.
I appreciate you engaging with the details—these conversations help refine our understanding!
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
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- @Psychryptoria Oh, molecular clock ... even less accurate than carbon dating, then.
I don't mean 500 years for a specific region, but I presumed the researchers had done palaeogenetics for carbon dated 10000 YA and for 8000 YA and found a pretty normal male reproduction, and then palaeogenetics for 5000 years ago and found only 1 in 17 lineages remaining.
Those 3000 crucial years would all over earth be reduced to 548 years in my calibration.
However, if the real issue is "the genetic clock" showed such and such a timespan, that's a different story. What if Y chromosomes mutate more or less than mitochondriae and so this miscalculates what's the same lineage with mutations and what's a different lineage?
Because "10 000 years ago" or "8000 BC", that's 401 after a world wide Flood, and just after the Flood, before anyone was born, humanity was 3 men with their father, each having a wife.
9:38 This is inaccurate.
The agricultural societies of Pre-Flood times have been wiped out by the Flood. But they were the main thing for 2262 years.
A human society dominated by hunting gathering only lasted from the Flood to 401 years later. The beginning of agriculture coincides roughly with the fall of Babel (a k a Göbekli Tepe), and I mean, agriculture as dominant.
"10 000 years ago" = "8000 BC" = 2556 BC.**
- Psychryptoria
- My video focuses on the mainstream scientific interpretation of the genetic and archaeological evidence, which dates the Neolithic agricultural revolution to roughly 10,000 years ago and the Y-chromosome bottleneck to 8,000-5,000 years ago based on molecular clock models and multiple independent dating methods. The genetic patterns I discuss—the 17:1 female-to-male reproduction ratio and the bottleneck itself—are well-documented in peer-reviewed studies regardless of absolute dating. The key point is understanding how the shift to agriculture and resource accumulation created new social dynamics that shaped human reproduction.
I appreciate you engaging with the content, even from a different interpretive angle!
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @Psychryptoria "My video focuses on the mainstream scientific interpretation"
I gathered as much.
"which dates the Neolithic agricultural revolution to roughly 10,000 years ago and the Y-chromosome bottleneck to 8,000-5,000 years ago based on molecular clock models and multiple independent dating methods."
Multiple meaning which ones apart from carbon?
"The genetic patterns I discuss—the 17:1 female-to-male reproduction ratio and the bottleneck itself—are well-documented in peer-reviewed studies regardless of absolute dating."
OK, which is it?
Do we find 17 times x Y-chromosome lineages in skeleta dated by carbon to 8000 years ago and 1 times x in those dated to 5000 years ago?
Or are the dates and perhaps even the assessments of what the separate lineages were just dependendent on someone assessing by "the genetical clock" that it happened?
By "documented" using my history based approach, I'd mean "documented" in primary sources, but you seem to mean a different thing, it's "documented" that scientists came to this result and you aren't presenting their methodology so I can scrutinise it for possible logical errors. Or obviously fallacious dependence on the mainstream but nevertheless false Evolutionist narrative.
16:06 "infant mortality is high"
Proven by what metric of our observations?
18:53 Christianity, by banning polygamy, equalised reproductive success for men.
Obviously, if men are free to hold harems and if children of concubines are as high status as children of a (main) wife, that's very different.
It created female hypergamy and a kind of masculinity in men that some of us, including me, find toxic. And note, this is probably far less the case with the Muslim community I am noting with some displeasure, than with the people who invented idolatry after having known the worship of one God (or of a parody of Him) in their older generations.
Because, the end of the timeline you propose equals the beginning of idol statues, Ishtar temples here and necropoles of god kings there (Newgrange) ...
* Citing the post Newer Tables, Flood to Joseph in Egypt. For the former date, 2361 BC is when Shelah died, 2295 BC is when Serug was born. The (!) is because the full calculation of the pmC value involved three consecutive sixes, so could be the time when Nimrod died. I calculated the pmC before the the carbon dated year.
** Here the carbon dated year, as last carbon date of Göbekli Tepe, is per se identified with the Biblical and real year when Babel ended, 401 after the Flood when Peleg was born. The pmC value was calculated from the number of extra years and is 51.766 pmC.
