Tuesday, September 15, 2026

Was Anthony Stine misconstruing Cardinal McElroy? I find it possible


American Cardinal Declares You Will Own Nothing And Be Happy
Return To Tradition | 15 Sept. 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwUuoNU83QY


2:10 No one intrinsically owns anything.

Did you note the word "intrinsically"?

The corrollary is, all private ownership is extrinsically assigned, by a kind of art.

Now, what did St. Thomas say?

Reply to Objection 1. Community of goods is ascribed to the natural law, not that the natural law dictates that all things should be possessed in common and that nothing should be possessed as one's own: but because the division of possessions is not according to the natural law, but rather arose from human agreement which belongs to positive law, as stated above (II-II:57:3). Hence the ownership of possessions is not contrary to the natural law, but an addition thereto devised by human reason.


Reply to objection 1 is in article 2 of question 66 of Secunda Secundae, in case you wonder.

Sometimes when people find me childish in expression, I am going by wordings that simply translate St. Thomas. Like "thing" for "substance" or "can be" for "is in potency" or "is actually" for "is in act" ... and sometimes when people find me not a Christian conservative in content, it's because that's what they would think of St. Thomas too, if they actually read him (and some Protestant Conservatives actually do think that).

3:08 For "co-creators" I'd definitely prefer Tolkien's term "sub-creators" ...

3:25 Catholic teaching certainly says that private property is in a sense a right.

1) It is a right to have property for what one needs, collective or private.
2) Once it has been allotted either way, usually privately, one usually has a right to undisturbed use of it, even if it should exceed one's needs, it's not as if everyone had to give away all according to his possibilities and just keep the bare needs, or as if keeping more than one strictly needs were immediately in respect to everyone having less an injustice.

Same article, this time I give the corpus:

I answer that, Two things are competent to man in respect of exterior things. One is the power to procure and dispense them, and in this regard it is lawful for man to possess property. Moreover this is necessary to human life for three reasons. First because every man is more careful to procure what is for himself alone than that which is common to many or to all: since each one would shirk the labor and leave to another that which concerns the community, as happens where there is a great number of servants. Secondly, because human affairs are conducted in more orderly fashion if each man is charged with taking care of some particular thing himself, whereas there would be confusion if everyone had to look after any one thing indeterminately. Thirdly, because a more peaceful state is ensured to man if each one is contented with his own. Hence it is to be observed that quarrels arise more frequently where there is no division of the things possessed.

The second thing that is competent to man with regard to external things is their use. On this respect man ought to possess external things, not as his own, but as common, so that, to wit, he is ready to communicate them to others in their need. Hence the Apostle says (1 Timothy 6:17-18): "Charge the rich of this world . . . to give easily, to communicate to others," etc.


3:52 Let's cite Divini Redemptoris:

In consequence he has been endowed by God with many and varied prerogatives: the right to life, to bodily integrity, to the necessary means of existence; the right to tend toward his ultimate goal in the path marked out for him by God; the right of association and the right to possess and use property.


Let's presume that this includes sime kind of gradation, given the Pope said "varied prerogatives", and let's assume the basic rights are given in their order of importance:

In consequence he has been endowed by God with many and varied prerogatives:

1) the right to life,
2) to bodily integrity,
3) to the necessary means of existence;
4) the right to tend toward his ultimate goal in the path marked out for him by God;
5) the right of association
6) and the right to possess and
7) use property.


The main problem during the Holodomor wasn't that Ukrainian farmers were denied property. The main problem is, that therefore they were also denied the necessary means of existence and therefore also bodily integrity and life. However, the denial of property was in this specific case the necessary means from taking away their rights to means of subsistance.

In the Irish Famine, which was also manmade, English landlors in Ireland were not denied their property, rather they made the utmost of it. Irish tenants were not primarily denied their property, since the wheat they grew by right of contract belonged to the landlord, the potatoes they grew to themselves. Now, certain years, there were no potatoes. The landlords didn't step back one millimetre from their contractual rights and as a consequence Irishmen starved or fled.

4:04 As many individuals and families as possible should own as much property as they need for independence.

When the property one owns denies some people both independence and even the relative independence (compared to the dole) of being a hired worker, one might be owning too much.

A Swedish popup politician from Örebro (pronounce Ur-rebroo) missed getting elected even in his district yesterday, but he made a comment about the "transferiate" ...

Formerly, Employers and Workers were the main contenders about the produced goods and their monetary value, but now they are both up against a third class, the "transferiate" ... people living by transfer via the tax bill.

It has an upper class, like social workers, integration officers, project leaders and so on. It has a lower class, and for some reason he doesn't count genuinely needy Swedes as part of this "lower class transferiate" but does count improductive (currently so) immigrants as the lower class of the transferiate.

The thing is, the more things are rationalised in production, the bigger first non-necessary sectors and finally the transferiate become. The mouths to feed don't become fewer just because fewer are engaged in physically producing food. The eyes to read don't become fewer just because fewer are engaged in printing. And crucially, their tastes in reading don't diversify enough to accomodate all new authors. Some authors are also blocked for other reasons. Therefore, rationalisation means more and more need to get their food and possibly reading from other things than earning them. Like tax transferred resources, like becoming social workers or private security or the cases they work for or against.

There genuinely is a sense in which ownership doesn't justify rationalisation, especially in the case of ownership by big banks.

"Every bit of land in a country that is a monarchy is owned by the monarch."


That degree of Communism (alias State Capitalism) is not common to all governments, it was reached in England at the Norman invasion.

Like, William I wanted sth to reward fellow Normans with.

In France, the theory is actually somewhat different. Private ownership of land is real. Roman and Frankish giant fortunes have since then become socialised into divisions of government. And when I speak of giant fortunes getting socialised, that's not a figure of speech. In the Roman Empire, each Civitas (often centred on a city i e urban centre, hence the modern meaning) is to some degree self governing, and the theory is basically, there is a double citizenship, of that city and of Rome.

And in each city, the very richest man each year is chosen as Decurion. This meant, he was personally giving to the poor in a dignified way, simply from his fortune. Next year he was reelected if he was still the richest. If he got ruined, he got a place at the table. Now, in Pagan times, that office was tied to Pagan sacrifices, and one Christian martyr was martyred for refusing it on this ground. However, in whatever place has been referred to as Bannavem Taburniae, a certain couple who were certainly Christians were the Decurion and his wife. Their son is St. Patrick.

But a local ruler as former ex highest fortune and it's succession, once he was truly a local ruler, tended to become a ruler, not an owner. Former serfs were in practise new and smaller owner.

8:27 No ... a country is NOT property of the governing class, it's field of jurisdiction of the governing class.

Aristotle would have argued that if the governing class assumes property over everything (qua governing) that makes the government a bad one.

A tyrant is a king who treats himself as owner of the country. A king is in some ways like a tyrant, but instead acknowledges smaller owners.




[Skipping the part on immigration.]





Summa Theologiae > Second Part of the Second Part > Question 66
Article 2. Whether it is lawful for a man to possess a thing as his own?
https://www.newadvent.org/summa/3066.htm#article2


DIVINI REDEMPTORIS
https://www.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_19370319_divini-redemptoris.html

Monday, September 14, 2026

With an Orthodox on Apocalypse, Specifically Antichrist


The Antichrist You Were Taught About Doesn't Exist in the Bible
Ancient Faith Explained | 3 July 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLrxFr917GE


2:40 "four authors" ...

I take the Johannine Letters to have the same human author as Apocalypse.

"no where does the Bible"

So, what about Tradition equating Man of Lawlessness, Beast from the Sea, Little Horn?

There are genuinely two Bible passages which Darbyists attach to him and which certainly or probably do not belong.

The Rider on the White Horse is probably Christ, reappearing in that role in Apocalypse 19, and "will sign a Covenant with many" is also Christ, also already mentioned in phrases of the ongoing sentence, and refers to the Covenant Christ signed on His last Seder and on Calvary. Many meaning "not just ethnic Jews" ...

But the three individual figures you mention as such are by quite a lot of Church Fathers taken as being one and the same, and the gematria "Apostates" = 666 places that man into the category "an antichrist" of the Johannine letters.

Ancient Faith Explained
@AncientFaithExplained
The Fathers who equated the figures were making a theological synthesis the video's point is that the Bible itself never makes that equation explicit. Your gematria point on "Apostates" = 666 is exactly the kind of patristic interpretation the video says was happening. Worth a full video on the Fathers' readings alone.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@hglundahl
@AncientFaithExplained Thank you.

Fr. Jason Charron of the Ukrainian Church has already done a series of videos.

Bible.
Fathers.
Scholastics / Medievals.
Private Revelation.


3:46 Polycarp's observation has sth to do with St. Thomas rationale for the Inquisition.

St. Thomas Aquinas states that heretics, by being such, are preparing the way for "The Antichrist" (the other three figures taken as one) and considered it as a function of the Inquisition (in this regard, outside pure internal housekeeping like telling a Converso not to Judaise and what constitutes this) to delay this.

Ancient Faith Explained
Aquinas's connection between heresy, the Inquisition, and delaying the Antichrist is one of the more striking pieces of medieval eschatology not something the video could fit, but genuinely worth noting. God bless.


4:35 I stop the video again.

I look up "chrysostom antichrist" in the google and find Homily 4 on Second Thessalonians.

It's too long to quote integrally, but one key passage stands out:

One may naturally enquire, what is that which withholds, and after that would know, why Paul expresses it so obscurely. What then is it that withholds, that is, hinders him from being revealed? Some indeed say, the grace of the Spirit, but others the Roman empire, to whom I most of all accede. Wherefore? Because if he meant to say the Spirit, he would not have spoken obscurely, but plainly, that even now the grace of the Spirit, that is the gifts, withhold him. And otherwise he ought now to have come, if he was about to come when the gifts ceased; for they have long since ceased. But because he said this of the Roman empire, he naturally glanced at it, and speaks covertly and darkly. For he did not wish to bring upon himself superfluous enmities, and useless dangers. For if he had said that after a little while the Roman empire would be dissolved, they would immediately have even overwhelmed him, as a pestilent person, and all the faithful, as living and warring to this end. And he did not say that it will be quickly, although he is always saying it — but what?

Homily 4 on Second Thessalonians
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/23054.htm


Well, that brings us to 1918. The Eastern Emperor was killed in Yekaterineburg. The Western Emperor left Hofburg and a Karl Renner drafted a law to ban him from returning.

Austro-Hungarian Empire was divided into ten parts. Constituting or enlarging the following:

1) German Austria (which became the First Austrian Republic)
2) First Hungarian Republic which became the Hungarian Soviet Republic, subsequently briefly restored and replaced by the Hungarian Republic, ultimately transformed into the Kingdom of Hungary
3) First Czechoslovak Republic ("Czechoslovakia" from 1920 to 1938)
4) Second Polish Republic, contested by the short-lived proto-states of Tarnobrzeg Republic and Polish Soviet Socialist Republic
5) State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs and the Kingdom of Serbia, both later absorbed into the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes
6) Greater Romania
7) Kingdom of Italy
8) the short-lived Ruthenian (Ukrainian and Rusyn) proto-states of West Ukrainian People's Republic (later absorbed into Ukrainian People's Republic), Hutsul Republic, Lemko Republic, Komancza Republic and the Galician Soviet Socialist Republic; all were ultimately absorbed mostly into Poland, but also into Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania and Yugoslavia.

Oh, I said ten?

9) Switzerland, lost in 1648
10) Germany, lost in 1806 and 1866.

Yes, I said ten.

Dissolution of Austria-Hungary
Immediate aftermath of World War I
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_Austria-Hungary#Immediate_aftermath_of_World_War_I


6:01 It so happens, St. John doesn't say the antichrist denies that Christ has come in the flesh, but that He is coming in the flesh.

Calvinism denies that Christ comes in the Eucharist. So do Islam and Judaism.

Leopards are sufficiently like lions to fools some non-zoologists they are such ... I think this is three of the four leopard heads if we compare Daniel and Apocalypse 13.

6:25 I have as a child read two books by the Lutheran abbess (not sure if she or her community converted later) Mother Basilea Schlink.

One was of angels, specifically guardian angels.

The other was on the Apocalypse, as in the dictatorship of the Antichrist. This was before the computer chip was thought of, so I grew up thinking of the mark of the beast as a tattoo with three sixes.

One more creepy detail. Devils are let loose during that period.

7:05 Before the story.

Where exactly does it say the Antichrist will be deceiving because he looks like he has solutions and looks good?

Not meaning the Bible, but early Church.

7:57 Oh, you took Zosima as "early Church" ...

I suppose you mean this one?

Zosimas of Solovki (Russian: Зосима Соловецкий; died 1478) was a Russian hermit. He was one of the founders of the Solovetsky Monastery,[1] which was established on the Solovetsky Islands in the White Sea of northern Russia. He is venerated as a saint by the Russian Orthodox Church.


Because, I just went through all mentions of St. Zosimas of Palestine in Life of St. Mary of Egypt, and this episode is not mentioned there.

Life of Our Venerable Mother Mary of Egypt
https://stmaryofegypt.org/files/library/life.htm


Ancient Faith Explained
The video says "a story passed down from a Russian monastery" not the early Church specifically. Zosima of Solovki is medieval, which is fair to note. God bless.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@AncientFaithExplained What about this sentence?

The early church gave [music] an answer and it is the most sobering sentence I have ever read on this subject.


Ancient Faith Explained
@hglundahl The "early Church" line introduces the theological principle the saints' understanding of the danger. Zosima is then cited as one who expressed it. But the transition is ambiguous enough to be misleading, and you're right to flag it. God bless.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@AncientFaithExplained " the theological principle the saints' understanding of the danger."

OK, do you have an earlier actually early Church example than Zosima?

Ancient Faith Explained
@hglundahl The transition in the video was ambiguous "early Church" introduced the principle, but Zosima is medieval not early Church. That's a fair criticism.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@AncientFaithExplained Indeed.

That's why I'm asking if you have an early Church example saying the same thing?


8:22 Indeed, Jesus will certainly not come again and sit before a computer trying to make a living as a writer.

However, if someone behind my back makes a mockery of my poverty and pretends it's my nobility, and then presents me as "Christ" in order to trigger the spider sense of people who have heard that word by Zosima, does that make me or the liar the or even an antichrist?

9:59 A coming de facto world ruler is in fact in the Bible.

Not necessarily dictator from UNO or similar. He might be in one country and yet have influence in all the others.

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them. And power was given him over every tribe, and people, and tongue, and nation
[Apocalypse (Revelation) 13:7]


If John Kyriakou decides to and uses his influence with CIA and intelligence services to persecute Catholics for believing in an individual Antichrist, it could be John Kyriakou ... unless he lacks the gematria. But it makes more sense if it's actually someone with open power.

And all that dwell upon the earth adored him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb, which was slain from the beginning of the world
[Apocalypse (Revelation) 13:8]


Doesn't sound like John Kyriakou. Who knows, but doesn't sound like him at all.

If you define "dictator" as illegal or paralegal transitioner from "democracy" or "constitution" to de facto real monarchy with neither inheritance of a throne nor election for elective thrones, that's not necessarily in the Bible, except perhaps the "not duly elected" part (Daniel).

And there shall stand up in his place one despised, and the kingly honour shall not be given him: and he shall come privately, and shall obtain the kingdom by fraud
[Daniel 11:21]


Bishop Challoner takes this as already fulfilled in Antiochus Epiphanes:

"One despised": Viz., Antiochus Epiphanes, who at first was despised and not received for king. What is here said of this prince, is accommodated by St. Jerome and others to Antichrist; of whom this Antiochus was a figure.


OK, also the case for Antichrist.

11:34 It so happens that it's more possible to check a chart and a gematria than one's own heart.

The heart is perverse above all things, and unsearchable, who can know it?
[Jeremias (Jeremiah) 17:9]


Perverse doesn't mean "wicked" as some Protestant Bibles translate this verse, but more like "handicapped" ... something like a limp or shortsightedness or being lefthanded when wielding tools made for the right handed and so one.

But "unsearchable" and "who can know it" (except God) are pretty clear.

You can not search your heart for knowing for certain that you know the real Christ well enough so the false Christ cannot fool you. Jesus Himself said:

For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.
[Matthew 24:24]


So:

1) the people deceived (at least momentarily or on levels not jeopardising their own salvation) will include elect, that is people who certainly know the real Christ well enough to be saved:
2) and Antichrist is not the only false Christ who will (momentarily or on levels not jeopardising their salvation) deceive them.

So, your test is impossible.

St. Robert Bellarmine did give a chart, and part of it was the "destruction of the Roman Empire" ... which has happened, roughly 100 years ago.

But you mentioned a false kingdom as in an earthly utopia. Now, there are certainly false utopias like Sweden saying "everyone can love everyone, getting children is optional even if you have sex" and things like that. But from your list, sth which sounds good to a Christian could, apart from being a utopia and that shouldn't sound good to a Christian, by itself be a warning flag. Let me quote Chrysostom again:

Why then, you say, did God permit this to be? And what dispensation is this? And what is the advantage of his coming, if it takes place for the ruin of our race? Fear not, beloved, but hear Him saying, In them that are perishing, he has strength, who, even if he had not come, would not have believed. What then is the advantage? That these very men who are perishing will be put to silence. How? Because both if he had come, and if he had not come, they would not have believed in Christ; He comes therefore to convict them. For that they may not have occasion to say, that since Christ said that He was God — although He nowhere said this openly — but since those who came after proclaimed it, we have not believed. Because we have heard that there is One God from whom are all things, therefore we have not believed. This their pretext then Antichrist will take away. For when he comes, and comes commanding nothing good, but all things unlawful, and is yet believed from false signs alone, he will stop their mouths. For if you believe not in Christ, much more ought you not to believe in Antichrist. ...


Did you note "commanding nothing good, but all things unlawful"?

Doesn't sound like the kind of utopia a Christian could find attractive, unless he were very heretical (as some are).

11:34 bis On the folly of "searching your heart" to know if you know the real Christ well enough ...

For if our heart reprehend us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things
[1 John 3:20]


The test actually is (to a great degree) external:

Dearly beloved, if our heart do not reprehend us, we have confidence towards God And whatsoever we shall ask, we shall receive of him: because we keep his commandments, and do those things which are pleasing in his sight And this is his commandment, that we should believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ: and love one another, as he hath given commandment unto us And he that keepeth his commandments, abideth in him, and he in him. And in this we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us
[1 John 3:21-24]


Your heart can tell a secret illwill behind an overtly generous gesture you do, but "commandments" refers to a mostly external checklist.

Now, whether the 3 and 1/2 years of Enoch and Elijah are prior to or concurrent with Antichrist's 42 months, I don't know. But as long as Enoch and Elias have not yet come I don't think the world wide misrule is yet here and might be waiting 3 1/2 years before that too.

That doesn't mean he isn't on the scene.

11:49 Again, be as good at theology as you like, but there actually are checklists for the Antichrist and one of them is a gematria and it's not that of "Apostates" since that's not a name of a person.

I saw a video by a former recruiter for the US Marines yesterday. He knows a good marine when he sees one and knows good marine material when he sees one.

But he actually does have a checklist.

And as it is likely that the Antichrist will at first not be asking to be taken for Christ (that will come later), the checklist is not just against Christ, it's also against the actually Christian politician.

And while this may seem very counterintuitive to some, my list of Christian politicians after 1918 involves more than one Fascist.

My favourite works in Fascist economics are:

  • Quadragesimo Anno (which I have read)
    and
  • Wirtschaftsethische Lehre der Kirchenväter (which I haven't read). Monsignor Ignaz Seipel.


Lots of the idea behind "Antichrist will promise a kingdom on earth" is basically "if you criticize Capitalism, that could mean you are it" ... which is false.

  • Rerum Novarum (which I have also read).


I hold with Chesterton that Capitalism and Communism aren't opposed evils, except "opposed teams" sense of opposed, but rather twin evils. 1850 on Ireland or 1933 in Ukraine were both manmade starvations. Both took wheat out of hands of those who had grown it, until they died, because they wanted a name for themselves, for their businesses as landlords or for their Soviet miracle as dictator loyals, even if it meant someone other, who was less enthusiastic, had to die.

Sunday, September 13, 2026

Some People Will Cultivate Very Irritating Conditions Around Me, then Observe Me, then Spread the Observation to Pretend I'm Easily Angered


One person did exactly that. In this thread.

No, not cultivate the irritating conditions, not observe me when angry, but spread.


Catholic vs. Orthodox: The Filioque Explained
Journey to Holiness | 12 Sept. 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoQ0ddYPPy4


0:16 Catechism ... one more item against it, the fact is, we don't have any 381 manuscript of the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed.

GranMaese
@GranMaese
Neither of 50-90 manuscripts of the Gospels, or Paul's letters, so what's your point?

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@hglundahl
@GranMaese My point is, when we get manuscripts later, the Latin and the Greek versions are already different.

GranMaese
@hglundahl Different how? Because by all means and purposes, they aren't. The Vulgate is a very faithful translation. There may be even better modern translations, fair enough, but it is still a very good translation.

Furthermore, how would you even know they are "different" if you claim we don't have any original manuscript to check? (about the creed).

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@GranMaese Presence vs absence of filioque.

I mean in the first actual manuscripts with the Constantinopolitan Creed.

From the second council itself, the Creed is lacking from the manuscripts.

GranMaese
@hglundahl That's not the question, though, my friend, for you said :"we don't have any 381 manuscript" But now it seems to be you say you do, that's a contradiction.

Now, perhaps you wanted to say, that the Filioque is not in the original Creed?

In the end, what does the Catechism has anything to do with it and how it is guilty of clarifying and being truthful to history? How is this "one more item against it", exactly?

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@GranMaese I'm sorry, were you bad at logic?

In 381, we have copies of the canons of the council, but not of the Creed. It's Creed only exists in later copies.

"the Filioque is not in the original Creed?"

We don't have the original Creed.

Filioque is not in the earliest Greek copy, but it is in the earliest Latin copy of it.

"how it is guilty of clarifying and being truthful to history?"

It's not being truthful to history and it's swallowing an accusation from the Orthodox which we have a right to rebut.

One more item, for instance along § 283, which completely destroys the traditional view of creation.

GranMaese
@hglundahl Nice projection, brother, people who get angry so easily and proceeds to offend out of the blue, unprovoked, are always far from God, but you do you.

But I digress. You say: "which completely destroys the traditional view of creation." According to who, though? You?

Also, if we don't have the "original creed's manuscripts" how can you even know and be so sure it was there (or not) to begin with? The Church, who has the authority, not you nor you schismatic group, certainly seem to recognize it wasn't, given the earliest Latin is around 8th century (if memory serves me right), while the greek is older than that.

Don't [g]et me wrong, we definitively are right to rebut and affirm "from the Son", but not by blind fanatism nor historical conspiracies or however we can classify your position, dear brother.

God bless, may He grant you discernment.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@GranMaese You may or may NOT consider Michael II as "schismatic" ...

You may very certainly NOT consider everything I know or say as having come exclusively from him, I had a pretty motley past before adhering to his predecessor.

Including researching Filioque as a revert from Orthodoxy.

Now, "you get angry out of the blue"... I wasn't angry before you got this psychologising idiocy about me.

"You say: "which completely destroys the traditional view of creation." According to who, though? You?"

Trent. Session V. St. Thomas. On your side one Ratzinger who said one could not get back to the Syllabus, as I recall having heard. His "reading of the Bible in the Church" includes both calumny of Protestant Fundamentalists and an overall distance from Fundamentalism, which overall is the historic reading in the Catholic Church.

"Also, if we don't have the "original creed's manuscripts" how can you even know and be so sure it was there (or not) to begin with?"

It so happens to be called Creed of Nicaea and Constantinople. Meaning it was formulated in fine then, and not later ... except for the side that fiddled with Filioque, whether as to adding or as to subtracting.

"The Church, who has the authority, not you nor you schismatic group, certainly seem to recognize it wasn't,"

Where do I begin? Did Jesus promise His Church infallibility over minute historic facts?

"given the earliest Latin is around 8th century (if memory serves me right), while the greek is older than that."

The Third Council of Toledo, in 589, recited the Creed, in Latin, with the Filioque. Orthos often get this wrong and pretend the Third Council of Toledo added it. No, it was there when they opened the Synod. They recited it as they had received it.

The possibility that the Filioque was added on the Latin side is not impossible, if so that was in Toledo a conflation with another Creed from the First Synod of Toledo, in 400, or ending that year. It had the Filioque, but in another overall creed, and the text is preserved.

As to the Greek version, I think the oldest manuscript is in the Greek manuscript of Chalcedon in 451. 130 years earlier than the Third Council of Toledo, which, given the scarce source material from Early Middle Ages / Late Antiquity is not overly substantial.

Saturday, September 12, 2026

No to Bowling


Nicholas Bowling debates Catholic student on the Miracle of Fatima
PopeDefenders | 7 Sept. 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgtCgBN9hOg


1:16 I'd say She predicted a great war, it was about to begin in the papacy of Pius XI.

It began in 1936 and ended in 1990.

World War II was a distraction from it.

7:48 Some have suggested that the healing of the first beast or even his raising from the dead is performed by real men of God, Henoch and Elias.

He then ungratefully kills them and makes up another story.

A lying wonder may sometimes be a lying story about a real wonder.

8:20 I was nonplussed by the words "in a moment" and find this:

And the devil led him into a high mountain, and shewed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time
[Luke 4:5]


I look up the Greek:

ἐν στιγμῇ χρόνου.


The lexicon refers to Bellum Civile, 2:14

At hostes sine fide tempus atque occasionem fraudis ac doli quaerunt interiectisque aliquot diebus nostris languentibus atque animo remissis subito meridiano tempore, cum alius discessisset, alius ex diutino labore in ipsis operibus quieti se dedisset, arma vero omnia reposita contectaque essent, portis se foras erumpunt, secundo magnoque vento ignem operibus inferunt. Hunc sic distulit ventus, uti uno tempore agger, plutei, testudo, turris, tormenta flammam conciperent et prius haec omnia consumerentur, quam, quemadmodum accidisset, animadverti posset. Nostri repentina fortuna permoti arma, quae possunt, arripiunt; alii ex castris sese incitant. Fit in hostes impetus; sed de muro sagittis tormentisque fugientes persequi prohibentur. Illi sub murum se recipiunt ibique musculum turrimque latericiam libere incendunt. Ita multorum mensium labor hostium perfidia et vi tempestatis puncto temporis interiit. Temptaverunt hoc idem Massilienses postero die. Eandem nacti tempestatem maiore cum fiducia ad alteram turrim aggeremque eruptione pugnaverunt multumque ignem intulerunt. Sed ut superioris temporis contentionem nostri omnem remiserant, ita proximi diei casu admoniti omnia ad defensionem paraverant. Itaque multis interfectis reliquos infecta re in oppidum reppulerunt.

But the enemy, with no sense of honour, sought for time and opportunity for fraud and treachery, and after an interval of several days, when our men were weary and slack in spirit, suddenly at noon, after some had gone away and others after their long toil had surrendered themselves to sleep among the siege works, and all their arms had been put away out of sight, broke forth from the gates and set fire to the works, the wind being strong and favourable. The wind spread the fire to such an extent that the mound, the sheds, the tortoise, the machines all caught fire at once, and they were all consumed before it could be ascertained how it had happened. Our men, alarmed by the sudden mischance, snatch up such arms as they can, others fling themselves from the camp. They charge the enemy, but are prevented from following the fugitives by arrows and catapults from the wall. The foe retire beneath their wall, and there without hindrance set fire to the gallery and the brick tower. So the labour of many p145 months perished in a moment through the perfidy of the enemy and the violence of the storm. The Massilians made a like attempt the next day. In similar weather they sallied forth and fought with greater confidence at the second tower and earthwork and cast much fire on them. But though our men had relaxed all the keen vigilance of an earlier period, yet, warned by the previous day's disaster, they had made every preparation for defence. So after slaying many they drove back the rest into the town and prevented them from accomplishing their purpose.


The moment lasted long enough for war machines to get burned.

It need not be telepathic communication in five seconds, though it could be that, but it could also be Satan "took a moment" to actually show some "clips" of each kingdom.

I had been used to reading it in Matthew where I didn't find this problem.

Noting when "in puncto temporis" qualified the verb "interiit" it came before, I think Greek has a similar syntax, so, when "en stigme chronou" comes after the noun, unless it could qualify "kai eipen" in the next verse ... Satan interrupts the spectacle by giving the suggestion ... it could qualify the noun. Each kingdom shown in a moment of time. All of them covered.

12:04 I would agree that Satan literally moved Jesus, however, not instantaneously.

The "in a moment" pertains to the showing or to each kingdom shown, not to the moving up on the mountain.

So, Jesus may have sat on a flying carpet or he may have had a Satanic grip around the waist, the latter like Satan's limbs were going to tie him on Good Friday and nail Him to the Cross.

I agree Satan didn't have the power to move Jesus from A to B in a single moment.

Recalling one morning of 12 IX 2001 ...


The Uncomfortable Truth About 9/11 Nobody Wants to Acknowledge
Answers in Genesis | 11 Sept. 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wFNrpXXO6o


I remember my reaction.

I lived in Malmö, now in Paris, both are time zones where you hear of that the next day.*

I also learned Bush had declared war on Afghanistan, because the Afghanis refused to extradict Ben Laden, claiming he was gone.

If the US had made a forceful reaction about one month earlier, when Afghanistan was trying 16 Christians, lives could have been saved, and the US wouldn't have been on two opposite divides of a moral political issue in WW-I vs Afghanistan war.

8 of the Christians were Americans, they were deemed legally insane, they were put on planes to the US. The other 8 were Afghanis. And Bush didn't care about them. And THAT act very certainly, no ambiguity possible, was on the Afghanistan régime, the Taliban.

9/11 wasn't even in the official story (we need on this level not go into questions of conspiracies, if true, a possibly innocent President wouldn't have had time to get into investigating that), wasn't even, in this official story, on the Taliban. It was on Ben Laden. His relation to the Taliban was, the US suspected they were protecting him. JUST as Francis Joseph suspected Serbian police were protecting Gavril Princip.

My reaction was grief, not so much for the lives lost, as for the prospect of the US getting on the wrong side of a war. I sent the US Ambassador in Denmark a message ending in my hopes for the US to get right with this.

"Don't be afraid to be Crusaders"
meaning, defend Christians in that territory, if you are going to pick a fight**
"Don't be afraid to be Monarchists"
meaning, don't be shy of bringing back the King of Afghanistan, who wasn't a diehard Islamist, and apart from being innocent of the terrorism, would have been probably less eager to punish Christian conversions, especially if that was an explicit condition set by the US.

I knew of the Afghan King from one Charles A. Coulombe. His relation to Coulombe's Law isn't discovering it, that's a great-grand-uncle of his, it's naming one of his blogs so.

I was very brief in my reaction, because I was stricken by grief. The Ambassador didn't reach out to me to get any clarification.

Now, in a certain sense, you may find this callous, I wasn't grieving about the Twin Towers. They symbolised one specific take on world economics which I don't like, being much more of a localist. I think angels will feel actual joy (not my reaction, I'm not an angel) when something similar falls.

Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath judged your judgment on her
[Apocalypse (Revelation) 18:20]


But the US as a country, or US military, that's a different story. I grieved for the possibility of them getting on the wrong side of a conflict.




* At least if you have no TV. 9:30 AM NYC = 3:30 PM Malmö. So, lots of other Swedes would have heard it on the evening news.
** The 2003 invasion of Iraq also preferred "democracy" over Christian locals. It may have triggered lots of the Islamism seen after that, not that it excuses all of it.

A Fascist Recalls One Who Was Called One


My Tribute to Charlie Kirk.
Melissa Dougherty | 10.IX.2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHPB8R9mdXw


As a painter, don't you think a certain man with closer ties to the Salò Republic than to the Ventennio Fascista should have remained one?

I mean his paintings of architecture are some of the best Disney or Don Bluth background paintings!




First image.

Someone's a fan of Mussolini? Comparing Kirk to Il Duce is kind of a compliment to the latter, especially in context of death, when the latter hadn't been doing too well morally in politics for the last few years.

I mean, I'm pretty much a fan of the Ventennio Fascista (with a few things getting worse, like liberties for gypsies and journalists), but in the hour of death?

I hope Benito repented, went to purgatory a few years and was prayed out of purgatory by Italian nuns and a priest saying masses, but when he was hanged, he wasn't showing an absolutely clean slate.

1:47 Let's compare.

Mussolini came out of a civil war (shorter than the Spanish one) and took away some freedoms in a fear, not totally unreasonable, that unrestricted political freedoms might fan one again.

Charlie Kirk, from his own words, was trying to prevent one, by using existing freedoms to the best of his ability.

It's more like comparing him to Calvo Sotelo or José Antonio Primo de Rivera. Two men assassinated by the reds, when the generals on the Baleares saw this, they said the civil war was already ongoing, their rising was a way to fight on the right side in it.

5:11 Pro-Life.

Charlie Kirk wanted abortion bans, and Mussolini had a penal code in 1930, which stated:

  • a mother (above 14 and in her right mind and under no external pressure) aborts on her own, 1 to 4 years
  • a mother (same qualifications) aborts with medical assistance, 2 to 5 years, for her and for the doctor
  • she's under 14, insane, mentally handicapped or under external pressure, is not legally deemed to have aborted on her own, whoever is legally deemed to have forced her gets 6 to 12 years.


I'm thankful for Charlie giving me the chance to remember a good side of Il Duce! (It was under the Ventennio, not the Salò Republic, which I find reprehensible, for camps among other things).

Friday, September 11, 2026

Communications are a Bit Rocky (with Caleb Howells too)


Was Homer’s Troy Ruled by the Assyrians?
Caleb Howells | 8 Sept. 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I1lS2-E56A


1:03 Barring your proposal of placing Troy in the Iron age and closer to Homer ... my view is, first Hattusa was destroyed (with possible Trojan involvement) and then Troy itself was temporarily destroyed and permanently joined to the Ionic Greek world.

May I remind that the famous Trojan war was not the first conflict between Mycenaean Greece and Troy, it seems that Priamos means "hostage" in Greek (correct me if I'm wrong) and got that nickname when Hercules took him hostage in an earlier war, when he was a boy.

As to the earlier war, I have no doubts that Hittites were involved.

2:37 I've noted that too.

With the exception of the word, presumably Myc. Greek *hethos and then by dissimilation of aspiration in Classical Greek ethos.

The possibly oldest and crudest meaning being "duty" or "taxation" ...

Hittites were forgot because they were plundering some guys with too much taxes. Damnatio memoriae, except for the Bible and one Greek word preserving the memory one tried to erase.

4:17 I would place Ninus in carbon dated 6000 / 3000-ish BC.

6000-ish ... Historia scholastica considers him a contemporary of Sarug.

3000-ish ... he is credited with having initiated idolatry over grief of his father Belus. Idols, specifically of Ishtar, come to the foreground in Mesopotamia around 3000-ish BC.

In both cases obviously carbon dated.

5:05 Assyria can have after taking over the Hittite heartland have taken on all Hittite loyalties as claims, and retroactively branding them as Assyrian ones.

30 kings, from Ninus. I'll go with the real historical years of Sarug, born 2295 BC. Nineve was destroyed in 612 BC. 1683 years.

Now 22/30 * 1683 = 1234, and so many years after 2295 = 1061 BC. One century off traditional date of 1180 BC.

5:25 Can Plato be dependent on Ctesias?

[All ensuing comments are lost]


6:13 Sure. But I obviously dispute that the actual Ninus lived in the 1300's BC.

Ninus and his father Belus are tied to a story in which Ninus invented idolatry over the statue of his dead father Belus.

And if I give the medium time for 22 kings out of 30, it's 1061 BC, a pretty good match for Troy destroyed in 1179 BC, 120 years earlier.

What's the time for each king on my view? 1683 years = 1683 / 30 = 56.1 years per king. Now, that's not realistic for the times of the Trojan war, and one could imagine that kings have been forgotten or interregna overlooked, perhaps deliberately so. It is more realistic for times back near Sarug.

Tukulti-Ninurta I (1243 f.Kr.-1208 f.Kr.). 1243 to 612 = 631 years = 631 / 30 = 21 years per king. Realistic as far as it goes, but why would Ctesias have come across people who forgot about his father Salmanassar, who must on any view have been pretty famous?

8:03 Some have said Cadmus is a myth and Herodotus was wrong in crediting him with the Phoenician letters.

Some have said the Greek alphabet is older than we thought.

Archeology doesn't quite prove that Thebes ever was a Phoenician enclave, Bronze Age or later. Herodotus can have been wrong in crediting Cadmus with the Greek Alphabet.

8:59 I would say that the Ethiopians in the Trojan war actually point to Hittite times.

How so?

My theory is, Hittite memories of Kadesh were mixed with Trojan memories of the War.

However, in Kadesh, Hittites were fighting Egypt and may have had Ethiopian allies. So little battle-field archaeology exists, this Ethiopian presence can't be ruled out.

Later, when one deliberately forgot about Hittites and their name got nobler connotations than taxation, these memories were reattached to the Trojan war.

I need to go back to the video* with Mary Bachvarova (channel Lantern Jack interviewing her) to get back to whether there was a Hittite version of the Iliad.

[tried to add:

Also, apparently Assyrians never conquered Ethiopia, so the info in Ctesias is spurious, i e garbled info.]


* A Hittite Version of the War of Troy?
Lantern Jack | 28 Nov. 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ao2sps9bR4