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Monday, April 13, 2026
Genesis 6, Archaeological Confirmation
They Ate Their Children Inside the Oldest Cave in Europe
Buried Earth | 27 March 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOmOOLbATgM
And the earth was corrupted before God, and was filled with iniquity And when God had seen that the earth was corrupted (for all flesh had corrupted its way upon the earth, He said to Noe: The end of all flesh is come before me, the earth is filled with iniquity through them, and I will destroy them with the earth
Genesis 6:11-13
Being Un-Catholic is Not a Solution
Beginning a Video by Shad M. Brooks (To Prove I'm Not a Mormon) · Being Un-Catholic is Not a Solution
Thinking of Converting to CATHOLICISM? Don't Do Anything Before Watching This!
BiblicallyMotivated | 13 April 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ha1bckkwcQ
2:24 Yeah, exactly!
Caerularius could claim he was just following in the steps of Photius (who died in peace with Rome) and was continuing the immediate predecessors.
Luther could absolutely not claim that. He was a Roman Catholic clergyman of Wittenberg before being the Deformer there.
3:56 Novus Ordos aren't in communion with Pope Michael II.
5:53 What exactly did Christ promise to the 11 in Matthew 28:16 to 20?
Pretty clearly something that has the power to impose the analogy of faith.
You can pretend Roman Catholicism doesn't meet that claim. But you can't pretend the claim as such is anti-Biblical or even extra-Biblical. It's a solidly Biblical claim, for the Biblical or NT Church and its direct successor in this day.
Michael II or* Peter III or Leo XIV or Bp Pivarunas or Revd Pagliarani or Bartholomew of Constantinople or Kirill of Moscow or Nicholas of Eastern America and New York or someone actually has such a claim. It's not Dallin H. Oaks bc of the gap between Moroni and Joseph Smith, which contradicts the text.
8:40 Trinitarian Christians? Orthodox?
Bec wars are sometimes recommended by the Church, but not fought by them.
Waldensians were nearly as orthodox (adjective, not denomination) as Evangelicals, and usually I think Trinitarian, but they were also deniers of the Bodily Resurrection. They were also in the bad company of the very heretical Albigensians, who disagree with the first verse of the Bible, claiming that different entities created Heaven from who created Earth. Which is blasphemy.
- BiblicallyMotivated
- @BiblicallyMotivated
- You must be thinking of the Cathars, whom the Waldensians resisted. Waldensian statements of faith, such as the Confession of 1120, declared that Christ "rose again for our justification" and that they looked forward to the "resurrection of their bodies at the day of judgment".
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @hglundahl
- @BiblicallyMotivated I'm aware that the confession is dated to 1120 (after just looking it up), but can you get scholars to agree? Not specifically Protestant ones.
Because once upon a time, Cathars or Albigensians were also falsely credited with a creed or confession that agreed with Protestantism (actually Calvinism).
The Church from 1200 + sth (IV Lateran, I think) required of returning Waldensians to confess "I will rise in the same flesh that now I carry" (changed, but not exchanged for another).
Perhaps that was because it was also used for Albigensians, not sure.
However, the one you quote is from a work** by this man:
Pasteur des vallées piémontaises, témoin des massacres, Jean LEGER vit ses biens confisqués et sa maison rasée sur ordre du Duc de Savoie, il se réfugia à Leyde où il fut nommé pasteur de l'Eglise Wallone en 1663.
Exactly the kind of period in which a Protestant would claim Medieval Albigensians / Waldensians for their own, as Protestantism was already more fashionable than Catharism and as modern historic scholarship was not yet a huge thing.
@BiblicallyMotivated I did find a reference*** on it:
The beliefs of the Waldensians should be found best expressed in their confessions of faith, but those which we have leave much to be desired. The confession dated 1120 by Morland and Leger, is really much later. The second that he prints is undated; the only other dated before the Reformation is the one presented to King Ladislaus of Bohemia in 1508, but it is given in a later form, as “amplified,” in 1535.
9:05 Yeah. Jesus was, unlike the lie of Caiaphas, not a heretic to Second Temple Judaism.
Jesus spoke of sin in the sense of miscarriage of justice, not as overstepping the authority, which actually involved an authority to stone blasphemers.
9:19 "Pope" who?
I don't think Michael II recognises antipope Wojtyla as Pope. Nor did Michael I.
9:58 "Protestants don't claim authoritative infallibility."
Therefore relinquishing the claim to be the Church to which Matthew 28:16 to 20 was adressed.
Also, not strictly true of early Magisterial Protestantism, like Luther or Calvin.
11:20 Unlike the cherubs on the Ark of Covenant and unlike the face of Jesus on the Shroud and the Sudarium, the idols of the pagans were just the craftsmanship.
If the pagans were lucky. In Delphi, they were even worse off.
That's the point Isaias is making. Not about statues being involved in worship.
11:39 The God of Israel also had an Ark which was carried in a manner physically reminiscent of idols' being carried.
12:09 It so happens, the Golden Calf was a heretical image of God.
We do condemn heretical images. Some fights between Catholics and Orthodox are about which ones are and aren't heretical.
13:00 The presence of God is dwelling in human flesh, since c. 2000 years ago.
That suddenly made God Himself, as He actually is, and not heretically is thought of, depictable.
13:43 I'm actually NOT genuinely searching.
I get recommended more than one video like this. Gavin Ortlund had a similar title.
I already converted when I was c. 20 (19+). I'm 57.
And I respond to video after video like this, and some people still want to treat me as if I were "considering" to convert and hadn't already done so.
Here is my reply to your call to viewers' conscience. Imagine you stand on judgement day and say "yeah, I know the succession seemed to match, outwardly looked like matching, what You said in Matthew 28, but I didn't trust it" ... Luke 10:16 says something about those who don't trust Apostles (or, by extension, successors).
* Note, I'm saying "or" not "and" — they exclude each other.
** Histoire générale des Eglises Evangeliques des Vallées du Piemont ou Vaudoises
https://www.info-bible.org/histoire/vaudois/histoire-generale-leger.htm
Original printing of the work: A Leyde: Chez Jean le Carpentier, 1669.
*** The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, vol. 1
https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/956.5585#5591
It's actually a 7DA source making this admission.
The World is Going to Hell "in a Handbasket"
A Good Reason to Not be National Socialist, an Even Better One Not to be Communist, and an Excellent One to Make Peace with God · The World is Going to Hell "in a Handbasket"
Trump Attacks Pope Leo XIV - Here's What Happened
Cross Examined with Michael Lofton | 13.IV.2026
https://www.youtube.com/live/A-Gl1Us9LzA
"and I don't want a pope who criticizes the president of the United States because I'm doing exactly what I was elected in a landslide to do"
What was a certain man who should have remained a painter saying about German elections and Mit brennender Sorge?
"Leo XIV" is arguably not the Pope, unlike Pius XI, but at least he gets it that a pope can judge a politician, like in a pretty harsh way Pope Pius V did with Elisabeth Tudor (or Boleyn, as some have termed her).
Actually, the question need not be rhetorical.
On EWTN, I found this* on what happened after Mit brennender Sorge:
It was said that, in fact, Hitler was so beside himself that for three days he did not want to see or receive anyone.
So, he kind of had the decency, as kind of part still Catholic, to remain silent.
9:55 Did Hitler ever try to tell Pope Pius XII "if I hadn't been here, they would not have taken a former nuntio to Germany"?
I don't think so.
But some people in the business world are prone to overdoing the concept of gratitude, as it applies to men, very vastly.
I mean, Putin once showed incompetence about Indonesian pork consumption (there is a Christian minority and there are tourists).
Trump's showing some less than full competence about what the job of a Pope is.
* The Encyclical That Infuriated Hitler
ROME, 4 APRIL 2007 (ZENIT)
https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/encyclical-that-infuriated-hitler-2844
Saturday, April 11, 2026
A Good Reason to Not be National Socialist, an Even Better One Not to be Communist, and an Excellent One to Make Peace with God
A Good Reason to Not be National Socialist, an Even Better One Not to be Communist, and an Excellent One to Make Peace with God · The World is Going to Hell "in a Handbasket"
"This Generation Deserves to be Annihilated" — Jesus’ Chilling Warning at Heede, Germany
Jerome Chong | 10 April 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgUHq98-7SQ
[I passed nearby in 2004:
29-VII-2004, Osnabrück - Reine, 30-VII-2004, Reine Emsland, 31-VII-2004, Emsland Bad Bendberg]
Holy Hill and Keaton Halley Discuss Jesus' Words About Adam and Eve at the Beginning of the Created World
Creation vs. Evolution: A Dispensation is Usually Not an Obligation · Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Holy Hill and Keaton Halley Discuss Jesus' Words About Adam and Eve at the Beginning of the Created World
Was Jesus Wrong About a Young Earth?
Creation Ministries International | 9 April 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klMlMDzE_rE
I have heard one cop-out, which as a Catholic I disagree with.
I'd like to know how you stand to it.
If so ye continue in the faith, grounded and settled, and immoveable from the hope of the gospel which you have heard, which is preached in all the creation that is under heaven, whereof I Paul am made a minister.
[Colossians 1:23]
Some would say, Paul was only preaching in human creatures. Good angels didn't need him, devils couldn't be helped, but animals, plants and minerals also can't be saved. Therefore, they would say, Romans 8:22, Mark 10:6 and Matthew 19:4 need only refer to human creation, to the creation of mankind.
So, they would say, it's enough if Adam and Eve were around when mankind was created.
My view on Colossians 1:23 is, the Gospel is actually preached in good angels, who hear the Apostles and their successors attentively, in devils, who need to obey them, and in animals, plants and minerals, at least every time they are being blessed. A Catholic family with a dog or cat will get the animal blessed by the priest, and whether the house is wood or stone, the door is likely to get each Epiphany a "Christus Mansionem Benedicat" with the year from the priest.
Water and salt come in blessed versions. So, St. Paul here literally does mean all creation under heaven.
6:33 Moses was using that wording to point to the one Who came down from Heaven and then went up again on Ascension Day.
7:41 Genesis 2 long afterward?
Sounds like the racism of Isaac La Peyrère, possibly endorsed by some Christ rejecting Jews and certainly by the KKK (one recent imperial wizard).
Catholicism condemned that, as any other direct racism (not everything an Antifa would say "that counts as racism too" however).
8:24 What's your take on the "days of Noah" passage?
Is Jesus talking of wordliness (carefree enjoyment of the good things of this world) or were some people right back when Obama made a turnaround, that Jesus used euphemism?
Cannibals. Vampires. Gay "marriage". Lesbian "marriage".
I take it we have found pre-Flood people because of cannibalism. I take it we are in the end times, because some Goth circles are dabbling in serious vampirism.
In Atapuerca, people who looked like we butchered a ten year old child (who certainly looked like we) and treated the bones as discardable, same as with animal bones. The dating in a lava layer above this, I presume, seems that the lava flowed during the Flood, whether the explanation be that excess argon was trapped or that potassium 40 decayed quicker so that the heat "problem" could solve the "mud problem" (making sediment into rock quickly).
9:31 Romans 1:18—20. A good prooftext against Earth or Universe being loads older than man. AND against Heliocentrism.
When God each day turns the Heavens around us, He shows His power is inexhaustible, in a way that Adam and Eve could observe without any microscope or telescope. Unlike that "image of a likeness of a fallible man" referred to as "Hercules" who needed to get Antaeus (according to the Pagan story of his defeating this giant) off the ground and magically quick-exhausted before his own powers were exhausted.
Hercules was the deity associated with male homosexuality which St. Paul specifically mentions as a punishment for idolatry.
9:32 "we know there's a creator from looking at creation"
The fact God had created was not specifically mentioned by St. Paul as a thing one could conclude, that His power is inexhaustible, however, is specifically mentioned.
St. Ambrose says "Deus Creator omnium" ... known from revelation "polique rector vestiens / diem decoro lumine / noctem soporis gratia" ... known from observation.
11:34 To Hebrews 9:26 one can add:
And all that dwell upon the earth adored him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb, which was slain from the beginning of the world.
[Apocalypse (Revelation) 13:8]
While He didn't suffer many times, Adam actually did slay Him (as his kinsman) by eating the fruit of death.
20:13 This attitude:*
“Jesus didn’t know as much science as we do today.”
Is it only Jesus as God incarnate it's inappropriate about, or should we avoid this about hagiographers and miracle performers too?
Joshua (which in Hebrew is the same name as Jesus) didn't order Earth to stop rotating. He ordered Sun and Moon to stand still, as if they are the ones usually moving.
I'm aware of "phenomenological language" about verse 13, an explanation about the words that describe the result. But in verse 12, Joshua first prays, then, inspired by God, tells Sun and Moon to stand still.
His recorded words were certainly not identic to his prayer, since Sun and Moon are not names of God.
22:25 Here is a resumé of St. Thomas' position.
Jesus in His human nature had a triple conscience:
- as a normal wayfarer (who touched me?)
- as a prophet
- as one already enjoying Heaven and the vision of God.
The reason we can be confident that Jesus died for each one of us who is saved, is, on the Cross, as already in the Bliss of Heaven, He was above time and space and knew each one of us, the same thing is true of His being already our Judge.
But when He taught anything specific, we should apply, He was acting as a prophet. Far more than a prophet, but at least that. God gave Him even in His human mind knowledge that cannot be factually wrong.
28:34 Just confirming that Greek has this double meaning too.
Yes, Jesus uses in Mark the word "ktisis" which is also what St. Paul uses in Colossians 1:23.
32:25 Ah, yes.
This one** is the one that Catholics of a more conservative type lean into. Paradoxically, if using Colossians 1:23, since we believe ... as stated ... the Gospel is even preached in water and salt, creatures under heaven, but not human creatures under heaven. Ever time a priest makes the appropriate ritual for blessing salt or water, the Gospel is preached in these elements, not just in man as consuming them or in contact with them.
38:21 I find your walk through carbon dating incomplete.
If carbon 14 is, in relation to carbon 12, more plentisome now than when a sample is from, it should in principle be possible to make a calibration.
I did one. Perhaps it needs reworking if Amenhotep II was the pharao of the Exodus, but that doesn't affect Genesis 14 or carbon dates before that. Or more than it needs to displace the Biblical and correct age to about a century more recent than in my tables.
And Genesis 14 by carbon dating of reed mats in a cave outside En-Geddi (Asason-Tamar) also argues a young earth. At least for anyone who says the chapter, as Biblical history, is free from anachronism.
Not a totally unimportant chapter for Catholics like me, since it features Melchisedec.
If the world were to have been several tens or hundreds of thousands and more years old, carbon 14 would already have been around 100 pmC. But for a reed mat from 1935 BC or perhaps a century later to carbon date as 3500 BC, the carbon 14 would need to be around low 80's (c. 83 pmC in my tables).
* Citing MD Carl Wieland's article about the reply he got from a Christian Old Earther, his article being: Jesus on the age of the earth ** The copout that Mark 10:6 means "since the beginning of human creation" ...
Friday, April 10, 2026
Dogs and Beer and a Bad Religion
The Queer Origins of Muslim Hate for Dogs: A Prophet, a Gay Lover, and a Puppy
Raymond Ibrahim | 14 June 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXCYh7TcKUw
Is there a similar story behind the animus against alcohol?
I mean, some tend to (unconsciously or perhaps not) keep a man who's taking alms in consuming non-alcoholic things known to be bad for gout, and then use the gout as proof of alcohol abuse and as an incitation to abstinence.
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