Creation vs. Evolution: A Dispensation is Usually Not an Obligation ·
Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Holy Hill and Keaton Halley Discuss Jesus' Words About Adam and Eve at the Beginning of the Created World
Was Jesus Wrong About a Young Earth?
Creation Ministries International | 9 April 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klMlMDzE_rE
I have heard one cop-out, which as a Catholic I disagree with.
I'd like to know how you stand to it.
If so ye continue in the faith, grounded and settled, and immoveable from the hope of the gospel which you have heard, which is preached in all the creation that is under heaven, whereof I Paul am made a minister.
[Colossians 1:23]
Some would say, Paul was only preaching in human creatures. Good angels didn't need him, devils couldn't be helped, but animals, plants and minerals also can't be saved. Therefore, they would say, Romans 8:22, Mark 10:6 and Matthew 19:4 need only refer to human creation, to the creation of mankind.
So, they would say, it's enough if Adam and Eve were around when mankind was created.
My view on Colossians 1:23 is, the Gospel is actually preached in good angels, who hear the Apostles and their successors attentively, in devils, who need to obey them, and in animals, plants and minerals, at least every time they are being blessed. A Catholic family with a dog or cat will get the animal blessed by the priest, and whether the house is wood or stone, the door is likely to get each Epiphany a "Christus Mansionem Benedicat" with the year from the priest.
Water and salt come in blessed versions. So, St. Paul here literally does mean all creation under heaven.
6:33 Moses was using that wording to point to the one Who came down from Heaven and then went up again on Ascension Day.
7:41 Genesis 2 long afterward?
Sounds like the racism of Isaac La Peyrère, possibly endorsed by some Christ rejecting Jews and certainly by the KKK (one recent imperial wizard).
Catholicism condemned that, as any other direct racism (not everything an Antifa would say "that counts as racism too" however).
8:24 What's your take on the "days of Noah" passage?
Is Jesus talking of wordliness (carefree enjoyment of the good things of this world) or were some people right back when Obama made a turnaround, that Jesus used euphemism?
Cannibals. Vampires. Gay "marriage". Lesbian "marriage".
I take it we have found pre-Flood people because of cannibalism. I take it we are in the end times, because some Goth circles are dabbling in serious vampirism.
In Atapuerca, people who looked like we butchered a ten year old child (who certainly looked like we) and treated the bones as discardable, same as with animal bones. The dating in a lava layer above this, I presume, seems that the lava flowed during the Flood, whether the explanation be that excess argon was trapped or that potassium 40 decayed quicker so that the heat "problem" could solve the "mud problem" (making sediment into rock quickly).
9:31 Romans 1:18—20. A good prooftext against Earth or Universe being loads older than man. AND against Heliocentrism.
When God each day turns the Heavens around us, He shows His power is inexhaustible, in a way that Adam and Eve could observe without any microscope or telescope. Unlike that "image of a likeness of a fallible man" referred to as "Hercules" who needed to get Antaeus (according to the Pagan story of his defeating this giant) off the ground and magically quick-exhausted before his own powers were exhausted.
Hercules was the deity associated with male homosexuality which St. Paul specifically mentions as a punishment for idolatry.
9:32 "we know there's a creator from looking at creation"
The fact God had created was not specifically mentioned by St. Paul as a thing one could conclude, that His power is inexhaustible, however, is specifically mentioned.
St. Ambrose says "Deus Creator omnium" ... known from revelation "polique rector vestiens / diem decoro lumine / noctem soporis gratia" ... known from observation.
11:34 To Hebrews 9:26 one can add:
And all that dwell upon the earth adored him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb, which was slain from the beginning of the world.
[Apocalypse (Revelation) 13:8]
While He didn't suffer many times, Adam actually did slay Him (as his kinsman) by eating the fruit of death.
20:13 This attitude:*
“Jesus didn’t know as much science as we do today.”
Is it only Jesus as God incarnate it's inappropriate about, or should we avoid this about hagiographers and miracle performers too?
Joshua (which in Hebrew is the same name as Jesus) didn't order Earth to stop rotating. He ordered Sun and Moon to stand still, as if they are the ones usually moving.
I'm aware of "phenomenological language" about verse 13, an explanation about the words that describe the result. But in verse 12, Joshua first prays, then, inspired by God, tells Sun and Moon to stand still.
His recorded words were certainly not identic to his prayer, since Sun and Moon are not names of God.
22:25 Here is a resumé of St. Thomas' position.
Jesus in His human nature had a triple conscience:
- as a normal wayfarer (who touched me?)
- as a prophet
- as one already enjoying Heaven and the vision of God.
The reason we can be confident that Jesus died for each one of us who is saved, is, on the Cross, as already in the Bliss of Heaven, He was above time and space and knew each one of us, the same thing is true of His being already our Judge.
But when He taught anything specific, we should apply, He was acting as a prophet. Far more than a prophet, but at least that. God gave Him even in His human mind knowledge that cannot be factually wrong.
28:34 Just confirming that Greek has this double meaning too.
Yes, Jesus uses in Mark the word "ktisis" which is also what St. Paul uses in Colossians 1:23.
32:25 Ah, yes.
This one** is the one that Catholics of a more conservative type lean into. Paradoxically, if using Colossians 1:23, since we believe ... as stated ... the Gospel is even preached in water and salt, creatures under heaven, but not human creatures under heaven. Ever time a priest makes the appropriate ritual for blessing salt or water, the Gospel is preached in these elements, not just in man as consuming them or in contact with them.
38:21 I find your walk through carbon dating incomplete.
If carbon 14 is, in relation to carbon 12, more plentisome now than when a sample is from, it should in principle be possible to make a calibration.
I did one. Perhaps it needs reworking if Amenhotep II was the pharao of the Exodus, but that doesn't affect Genesis 14 or carbon dates before that. Or more than it needs to displace the Biblical and correct age to about a century more recent than in my tables.
And Genesis 14 by carbon dating of reed mats in a cave outside En-Geddi (Asason-Tamar) also argues a young earth. At least for anyone who says the chapter, as Biblical history, is free from anachronism.
Not a totally unimportant chapter for Catholics like me, since it features Melchisedec.
If the world were to have been several tens or hundreds of thousands and more years old, carbon 14 would already have been around 100 pmC. But for a reed mat from 1935 BC or perhaps a century later to carbon date as 3500 BC, the carbon 14 would need to be around low 80's (c. 83 pmC in my tables).
* Citing MD Carl Wieland's article about the reply he got from a Christian Old Earther, his article being:
Jesus on the age of the earth ** The copout that Mark 10:6 means "since the beginning of
human creation" ...
