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Monday, June 16, 2025
Prophecies Already Fulfilled
No More OT Sacrifice · Prophecies Already Fulfilled
Rabbi CONFRONTS His Faith in Jesus - Results Are Shocking | Rich's Testimony
SO BE IT! | 24 March 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZkwmuStuRE
9:32 Lion and lamb.
Take St. Severine of Noricum as a lamb.
Take Odoacar as a lion.
They had a nice chat, and the result was that the Roman élite of Noricum was evacuated to Naples. That's why the biography of St. Severine (who stayed in Noricum, died in modern Mautern, near Krems, in Austria) was written by one Eugippius, who wrote in a monastery in Naples. Eugippius was part of the evacuees, of course.
Or take St. Clotilda as a lamb, and Clovis as a lion, they literally lay down in the same bed. They had five children (surviving).
9:32 "world peace"
There is no actual prophecy about world peace. (1)
Tovia Singer gave a break-down about the ones so interpreted, and mainly two categories.
1) No wars between Judah and Ephraim - fulfilled in the Palestinians;
2) The word of peace shall go out to the Gentiles - but doesn't say they will be obeying.
10:34 Jesus is the triumphant Messiah already from the Resurrection, indeed from His descent into Hades.
(1) In the ones Tovia Singer talked about.
Saturday, June 14, 2025
No More OT Sacrifice
No More OT Sacrifice · Prophecies Already Fulfilled
He Asked “WHERE'S THE SON in the Hebrew Bible?”… So I Showed Him | Street Interview
SO BE IT! | 14 June 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfSecZRnoO8
About Deicide.
We have all killed Jesus with our sins. However, rejecting Jesus was a major sin, and collective in those who chose to belong to the rejecting and not the rejected community (ancestral to Christian Palestinians, btw).
One can also refer to the guilt of killing Jesus by killing his members, like Saul once upon a time was participant in killing Stephen.
So, the Catholic theology in question is no disproof of Catholicism being real Christianity.
[on the OT sacrificial system, earlier in the video]
6:55 Speaking of which, the Green ex-Desert in Israel proves the Sacrificial System of the OT is past.
The deserts found in Judaea, in the Mandate, it was not because "Arabs" (Mustariba, really, and of Israelite root) neglected basic concepts that could have avoided desertification.
No, that desert was mentioned in the Mosaic law as well as in Matthew 4 and in Luke 4.
The Flowering Desert is at the cost of draining both Jordan and Kinnereth, but also the OT Sacrificial System.
Friday, June 13, 2025
What's the Israeli Perspective on June 13? Are Netanyahu and Katz lying to their people?
Iran Didn't Expect This | ISRAEL IRAN CONFLICT
SO BE IT! | 13 juin 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkEbzUtsE3E
[my questions, while I hear the video]
Wait, Iran attacked Israel before the Nuke on Iranian targets?
The June 2025 Iranian strikes against Israel occurred on the evening of 13 June 2025, following Israeli airstrikes on Iranian nuclear and military targets under Operation Rising Lion.
[tried to add]
Around 3 am local time, Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz declared a nationwide state of emergency, warning of an imminent missile and drone retaliation.[63] Warning sirens were activated across Israel in anticipation of a possible Iranian counterattack, though no ballistic missiles had been launched by Iran at the time of reporting.[47] Katz further described Israel's attack on Iran as a "preemptive strike".
God held the line 1:03 he's the one who kept the drones from 1:05 reaching their target
Drones aren't missiles and don't necessarily have targets. They may carry missiles and then have targets.
Was any drone even trying to shoot anything?
Because if not, Iran was just giving you the kind of harrassment that presumably Israel or Greece had been giving the Madleen about a week ago.
If Israel was harrassed but not hurt with drones and answered by a nuke attack on Iran, that was arguably overkill.
2:09 Wisdom and courage, pretty needed.
Palestinian civilians have been dying and a humanitarian aid mission has been kidnapped in international waters over some people like Israel Katz and his men showing cowardice and stupidity.
My fellow Swede Greta Thunberg was on board the Madleen, and she was in a prison where she was deprived of sleep. Three of her comrades are still held back.
2:09 bis And especially, if your government is lying to you, like 3AM fake alert.
[tried to add]
Warning sirens were activated across Israel in anticipation of a possible Iranian counterattack, though no ballistic missiles had been launched by Iran at the time of reporting.[47]
Sourced:
Israel launches preemptive strike on Iranian nuclear sites, military targets
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-857575
Where I find:
Dozens of Israeli aircraft participated in an initial wave of strikes on dozens of military targets and Iranian nuclear sites early on Friday morning.
Warning sirens have been set off to get the public ready for potential Iranian counterattacks of ballistic missiles on Israel.
Jerusalem Post did not give a statement that drones actually were coming, unless that's in Netanyahu's adress.
[I break off, as my comments keep disappearing]
Monday, February 24, 2025
Best Wishes for their Catholic Conversion ... and That of Other Jews
"Jews For Jesus Is DECEPTIVE" | Our REACTION
SO BE IT! | 24 Febr. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6-u6dKMZtQ
1:36 Nearly all Non-Denominationals are de facto Baptists, i e think that only explicit believers can be baptised.
This is a bit like a Non-Denominational more or less accepting the label Baptists and objecting to the term Protestant, even if they:
- do not believe that Jesus is present Body and Blood in the Eucharist
- do not believe He is made present or makes Himself present in Holy Mass which is a Sacrifice
- do not believe you have to have a succession of ordinations from the Apostles to be able to say Mass
which are the essential definitions of Protestant. Some would say "sola fide justification" but that would limit Protestants to the ones who inherit Free Grace theology from the Reformers
- Ivor Kovac
- @ivorkovac303
- They are not Protestants, they are Anabaptists.
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @hglundahl
- @ivorkovac303 Which is a version of Protestants.
4:00 A compliment, and so not true (as Merry said when Frodo was called a Brandybuck).
A standard Christian is a Catholic. And the oldest population of Jewish Catholics are the Christian Palestinians (except those who are Orthodox).
But I'm happy you are striving for it.
6:27 Catholics teach the Torah remains valid as to spiritual meaning, even in ritual laws.
The ban on shatnets means, I cannot mix Hebrew truth with Pagan error (also known as Heresy) and the ban on boiling the kid in the milk of its she goat mother is a prophecy that the ultimate Scape Goat, Jesus, would not be killed as a babe, despite Herod trying his worst.
Something a bit more interesting than the Rabbinic interpretation which could be resumed in the Kosher Cheeseburger. There are two types of Kosher Cheeseburger: the Cheeseburger without the cheese, and the Cheeseburger without the burger. I think I prefer the Catholic interpretation.
Monday, February 3, 2025
Answer to Jews for Jesus
Can Anything Good Come From Nazareth? | Miri's Testimony
SO BE IT! | 3 Febr. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZbKO4pzAF4
If you want to know where the inn of the Good Samaritan is, where the oil and wine of sacraments are used to heal the wounds of man, you can ask a Palestinian Christian.
In Nazareth, I'm pretty sure some Jews would be aware that they were there first, and they even might have some kind of inkling tghat they have lived there for 2000 years and are some of the earliest populations of Jews for Jesus (or, if you prefer, Galileans for Jesus, or, as the Bible say, men of Galilee). Such Jews might kind of have an ulterior motive to consider a Christian as a bogedet.
10:35 Who we are and our sins are two different things.
God will usually not deliver us from venial sins in this life, but if you confess your mortal sins to a priest and God forgives them and you aren't delivered from them, either you or the priest is doing something very wrong.
I will not name the sin from which I'm pretty much delivered since decades, but it's often committed by people not in a couple and it is not by impotence that I was delivered (though some of the people around me seem to try to be working on that).
God intends to deliver so and so from so and so's sins, not from so and so's character. Or personality.
10:42 And our deal Lord Jesus Christ is not covering up from the outside so the Father doesn't see us, He sees heart and kidneys.
He's clothing us in righteousness, and changing us from inside.
Ephesians 2 verses 8 and 9 is not a valid Bible passage. Ephesians 2, verses 8, 9 and 10 is.
10:30 Just to clarify in case there is some kind of allusion.
I was not kicked out from my family, I'm not in abuse of alcohol or any use of the usually illicit drugs, alcohol is a substance God created and which is clearly licit to use in moderation, as we know from Our Lord's first public miracle. And from the law. And from St. Paul's words to St. Tim. And from Catholic tradition.
I don't believe sharing the faith is primarily sharing my story.
There are so many better stories to share, and I usually sign full length articles with one line each for my own name and the place (often Paris), then two lines for the date: the saint of the day (or one I pick), and the Mathematic description of the day. Like St. Blasius, one line, 3.II.2025, last line of my signature.
There is another reason too. I don't actually know the menue of Patel. But I'm pretty well aware of the menue at a China Food takeaway. If I wanted to recommend it to someone, I obviously might mention they have great sushi, the salmon with avocado one is excellent, but I'd be uncharitable if that was all I said about it, there are actually very good prawn tempuras (yes, tempura is Jap food, but they still have it), they have a thing with beef and cheese which I haven't tasted, they have beef dishes, chicken dishes, and so on ... why should I just stick with my own experience when my receptive capacity is limited?
Speaking of tempura, while the dies quattuor temporum after Epiphany are over, I missed out due to throat-ache, (dear St. Blasius pray for me), Lent is around the corner, and Our Lord didn't say "if you fast" but "when you fast" ...
Tuesday, August 20, 2024
A Beautiful Meeting (and Two Comments of Mine)
Me and Messianic Jews · Catholic vs Jewish · I'm Annoyed When Some Call Pius XII "Hitler's Pope" ... ESPECIALLY If they are Jews · A Beautiful Meeting (and Two Comments of Mine)
Ex-Ultra-Orthodox Jew Asks WHY JESUS!? to Messianic Jew | Hebrew with English Subtitles.
SO BE IT! | 20.VIII.2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh7gxr5V0WQ
14:25 There is also a Jewish Kingdom.
In Heaven, it has its King and the Queen Who is the King's Mother.
On earth it also exists, and is called the Catholic Church.
14:58 A Jew who loves Christ logically loves the oldest Jewish Christian population, that is the Christian Palestinians.
Friday, August 16, 2024
I'm Annoyed When Some Call Pius XII "Hitler's Pope" ... ESPECIALLY If they are Jews
Me and Messianic Jews · Catholic vs Jewish · I'm Annoyed When Some Call Pius XII "Hitler's Pope" ... ESPECIALLY If they are Jews · A Beautiful Meeting (and Two Comments of Mine)
I don't think Tovia Singer's attack on Candace Owens is a very dramatic thing. He was very understanding.
What some seem to understand less is, I have more in common with George Farmer than with people calling Pius XII "Hitler's Pope" ...
By the way, I think Tovia Singer is probably a bit mixed up about nuances between Mel Gibson and his father and which of the two is closer to George Farmer and so on ...
Why Did Candace Owens Turn Against the Jews? -Rabbi Tovia Singer
Tovia Singer | 15.VIII.2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9iPRMOytJs
1:08 I'm the exception.
On a Polish lesson, we were given verbs and verbal phrases of emotions, and I got "Nie lubię" ... a very reserved "I don't particularly like" ...
My example, the one thing I did not have strong feelings either for or against, and still important enough to come to my mind, were you guys.
My answer or example was "Nie lubię Żydzi", but apparently, if google translate is correct, it should as having a negated verb probably rather have been "Nie lubię Żydów" ...
The Polish docent or lector was devastated, and next lesson gave us a Polish Jewish composer's very sad composition, while mentioning he had died in a gas chamber.
NOT the best way to warm up my enthusiasm.
I'm a Catholic. The relations have not always been excellent.
2:03 I'm pretty fine with Candace Owens' husband.
2:36 I'm pretty fine with Mel Gibson too.
- Adara Balabusta
- @AdaraBalabusta
- Yuck! I used to live on the same street as Mel. If you knew him as I do, you would not be okay with him unless you hold to no moral principles at all.
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @hglundahl
- @AdaraBalabusta I know what the Gibsons are hated for in public discourse.
You claim you lived on the same street, why is that not a trick to diffame him?
- Paolo Rossi
- @paolorossi8470
- @hglundahl Mel Gibson used to live on the same street as Adara Balabusta. So, Mel knows that Adara is a dangerous fanatic.
2:42 I actually hold two popes have been elected after Pius XII.
Michael I in an emergency conclave, 1990.
Michael II in somewhat more orderly forms with clergy of Michael I already in place, in 2023, last year.
I do not hold to Nostra Aetate.
2:45 "Hitler's Pope" ... that's like calling Leo X "Luther's Pope" ... yes, Hitler and Luther were baptised, and Pius XII and Leo X were popes in their lifetimes.
When Hitler came to Rome, Pius XII first closed the Vatican, then withdrew to Castel Gandolfo so as not to be "home" when Hitler possibly came knocking on the door.
One of the less likeable things about Jews is the tendency to take Der Stellvertreter as a documentary, it was polemics, and it was only published when Pius XII was already dead, and lots of people in the Vatican II establishment were not so eager to defend him, because they thought him too conservative.
How about "Rescue of Jews by Catholics during the Holocaust" on wikipedia, where you can read:
From his Vatican office, Monsignor Hugh O'Flaherty operated an escape operation for Jews and Allied escapees. Priests and nuns of orders like the Jesuits, Franciscans and Benedictines hid children in monasteries, convents and schools.
And a little further on:
In France, Belgium, and Italy, Catholic underground networks were particularly active and saved thousands of Jews, particularly in central Italy where groups like the Assisi Network were active, and in southern France.
That's not why I converted, but it's part of why I never regretted converting.
I have very little patience with nincompoops considering Pius XII as "Hitler's Pope" ... Tovia has the incomplete excuse of being a Jew, but it's very incomplete, since it's ignorance of Jewish history.
If you say Jo Wajsblat not dying in the gas chamber he was in was typical, in some countries you can be punished for "holocaust denialism" — which shouldn't be a crime, the question should be able to be discussed.
But when some Jews socially treat it as equivalent to this "crime" to not curse the man who did perhaps more than he should to save Jews, putting for instance Roncalli's soul at risks of heterodoxy, a man who to Jews lacking the faith was like Abiathar to David, that's disgusting.
- Adara Balabusta
- Worry about your own salvation. If you worship Jesus as a deity, you are an idolater. Repent and obey the Noahide laws. Your idol-boy was neither the messiah nor a deity. ️
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @AdaraBalabusta Apart from you being a very repetitive person, unless it's really a different one each time, you are not even obeying them yourself, since your gratitude is turned upside down in hatred of a benefactor who did not try to abuse that position to force you to convert.
@AdaraBalabusta "as a deity,"
I actually worship Jesus as Adonai, as the God that Moses saw and also didn't see, but definitely heard in the Burning Bush. The God Who Spoke Exodus 3:14.
- Adara Balabusta
- Then you are still worshiping another deity, not the one G’d of Israel.
I love G’d and I feel sorry for people (esp. Catholics) who have been led into idolatry.
If you have come here, listened, and read, you can no longer plead ignorance at your judgement.
Repent of idolatry and obey the Noahide laws.
@hglundahl No. Jesus did not do any of those things. There is only One G’d. The trinity is a damnable heresy that took the idolatrous church 300-ish years to invent.
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @AdaraBalabusta Opposing the Trinity and the Messianity of Jesus are damnable heresies from the later part of the Mishna period, and make Judaism a heresy.
Newman proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that it was St. Athanasius who was defending the older Christian doctrine. (Before he converted and eventually was made a cardinal, btw).
OTHER ISSUE:
How Can You Be JEWISH And CHRISTIAN? | Street Interview
SO BE IT! | 16.VIII.2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ATrPR6ol-U
0:51 Disagree.
0:51 This is not about the Spanish Inquisition in 1492.
The Sanhedrin was an Inquisition, and the Church has powers to excommunicate.
However, the Church was also national religion of Christian kingdoms.
Was this what Christ wanted? Yes. Matthew 28 says "make all nations into [my] disciples" ... not just "people from all nations" but collectively too.
A Christian nation has a right to defend itself from being undermined from within, by apparent citizens who aren't Christians. The defense can take different forms. But one of the forms it took was the Inquisition.
It was harsh, I don't think it was generally unjust.
And in Spain, the Inquisition was less harsh or at least less partial than secular courts.
Saturday, August 10, 2024
Me and Messianic Jews
Me and Messianic Jews · Catholic vs Jewish · I'm Annoyed When Some Call Pius XII "Hitler's Pope" ... ESPECIALLY If they are Jews · A Beautiful Meeting (and Two Comments of Mine)
Basically everything they say here, I have in common with them:
Israelis REACT to Isaiah 53 and More!
SO BE IT! | 9.VIII.2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB_ns9fjlWU
Here are two things I wish they had more in common with me:
3:53 Did you say the last book of the Tanakh was Malakhi or Makkabees?
But thanks for citing Malachias, now read 1:11 and answer me, is the prophet describing the Catholic Sacrifice of the Mass or a Protestant Last Supper?
5:10 Speaking of Jewishness, have a look at the historic origins of your neighbours in Bethlehem.
- MJ
- @JesusSaves77799
- May I ask what you mean by this? And also your question about Malachi 1:11 referring to the Catholic or Protestant Last Supper? Thank you!
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @hglundahl
- @JesusSaves77799 Christian Palestinians are their (your) neighbours in Bethlehem.
They have Arabic language (earlier Aramaic, but they changed language in the time of the Counter-Crusade) and they have Catholic or Orthodox Christian religion.
Where do you think they come from?
Hint. They didn't come with Omar.
Catholic Sacrifice of the Mass or Protestant Last Supper.
Which of these fits better with:
For from the rising of the sun even to the going down, my name is great among the Gentiles, and in every place there is sacrifice, and there is offered to my name a clean oblation: for my name is great among the Gentiles, saith the Lord of hosts.
Protestants specifically deny that the Mass is a Sacrifice, and some of them even refuse to use the word.
- MJ
- @hglundahl Ah yes, I understand what you mean about Christian neighbors in the region. Regarding what Protestants believe, they absolutely do believe that Jesus died for all of us. I think they just don’t believe that it’s Jesus’s literal body and blood. They believe that He died once for our sins, and that we are supposed to always remember all that He did for us when we take communion (and eat as well)!
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @JesusSaves77799 Well, regardless of the question of whether it's the literal body and blood, there is the question whether the ordinance if I may use the word is remembrance of a sacrifice only or is itself a sacrifice.
On the Catholic view, this is even more central. An Armenian Apostolic priest who doesn't believe literal real presence, but believes he is offering up a sacrifice is on our view celebrating a valid mass. A Lutheran "priest" who usually believes the body and blood are literally there, but who intends to make a remembrance, is not.
Which view, one sacrifice per day and location, or one sacrifice only over history and in one location only, is Malachy 1:11 supporting.
By the way, I am not sure you do understand what I meant about "Christian neighbours in the region".
Lebanese Christians would be of Canaanite tribes, but what tribe is the Palestinian in Bethlehem from? If we go back 3000 years, where would his ancestors have lived?
As you may realise, this depends on what the exact history is since people of the tribes of Judah and Ephraim were Christians in Acts 8 times.
- sinergiamdp
- @sinergiamdp
- @hglundahl Jesus is the ultimate sacrifice to end all useless human sacrifices; that's why
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @sinergiamdp Where does that leave Malachi 1:11?
Let me cite it again.
For from the rising of the sun even to the going down, my name is great among the Gentiles, and in every place there is sacrifice, and there is offered to my name a clean oblation: for my name is great among the Gentiles, saith the Lord of hosts.
God's not agreeing with you, since Malachi was and you are not a prophet of God.
- joo
- @joojotin
- @hglundahl Oh and that leaves Malachi 1:11 to the past.
Not every part of guidance in the Bible is for everyone and for every timeperiod.
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @joojotin What past?
OT? No, the sacrifice was in ONE place.
Among Hebrews ONLY.
Life of Jesus on Earth?
No, if the Last Supper was no sacrifice, then the Crucifixion was also just on ONE place and mainly if not exclusively among Hebrews.
So, when was this past where every place on earth had a sacrifice pleasing to God among the Gentile nations?
The only possible answer for a Christian is, it's NOT past, it's still happening, it will continue to happen to the end of time. The Last Supper WAS a sacrifice. It's still being offered.
- joo
- @hglundahl Is your main point that last supper was a sacrifice?
If yes, what is being sacrificed during last supper?
Paul literally says in corinthians that we should take communion in memory of JESUS SACRIFICE.
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @joojotin My response disappeared. Reposting.
The Last Supper was both a pre-memorial of AND identic to the bloody sacrifice the following day.
That's why the memorial that happens "from the rising to the setting of the sun" (from east to west) and this "among the gentiles" is not just a memorial, but also a sacrifice, namely precisely as Malachi prophecied.
- joo
- @hglundahl Again, there is nothing being sacrificed on supper and being ""identic" to bloody sacrifice can only be taken symbolically, because thats all it is.
Not sure of the Malachi verse, Im not too familiar with its context, but havent heard anyone quote that for communion.
I dont remember any instance in bible where time/eating and drinking is referenced as sacrifice for the Lord.
If you want to get technical, everything you do is a sacrifice.
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @joojotin No, you haven't heard anyone quote it about Holy Mass or the Sacrifice of the Mass, because you are a Protestant and that means you are not familiar with the Bible.
"Everything you do is a sacrifice" ... well, except sins, and if I offer it up during Mass.
But everything I do is not what Malachi 1:11 is talking about. The year I was converting or had just converted a Lutheran theology student shared Latin classes with me at University.
He admitted Malachi 1:11 is a bit "hard" (vansklig), namely for those denying the Mass is a sacrifice.
You don't admit it, because you are unfamiliar with the Bible, as you admit you are with this verse. That should tell you you ought to flee from your community, unless all of it flees from its Protestant so far past along with you.
@joojotin "I dont remember any instance in bible where time/eating and drinking is referenced as sacrifice for the Lord."
You really are unfamiliar with the Bible.
But Melchisedech the king of Salem, bringing forth [hō·w·ṣî] bread and wine, for he was the priest of the most high God,
[Genesis 14:18]
Well, if his being priest of the most high God was relevant, then his bringing forth bread and wine was a sacrifice.
And the kind of sacrifice Melchisedech brought forth is the one that Christ brings forth, according to King David and St. Paul:
The Lord hath sworn, and he will not repent: Thou art a priest for ever according to the order of Melchisedech.
[Psalms 109:4]
As he saith also in another place: Thou art a priest for ever, according to the order of Melchisedech.
[Hebrews 5:6]
In the Aaronite priesthood you have somewhat similar things:
But if thou offer [taq·rîḇ] a gift of the firstfruits of thy corn to the Lord, of the ears yet green, thou shalt dry it at the fire, and break it small like meal, and so shalt thou offer thy firstfruits to the Lord Pouring oil upon it and putting on frankincense, because it is the oblation of the Lord
[Leviticus 2:14-15]
And for a libation you shall offer [has·sêḵ ne·seḵ] of wine the fourth part of a hin for every lamb in the sanctuary of the Lord
[Numbers 28:7]
Now, Malachi 1:11 has the noun ū·min·ḥāh. When I look up in Strong, the word comes in both brothers' sacrifices in Genesis 4. It's also the word used several times in Leviticus 2. In the intro to what I just quoted.
I hope this is somewhat helpful.
- joo
- @hglundahl Why are you so pressed?
Im going to study the verses you provided. Your view on the, mass, supper, communion being sascrifice is interesting, and maybe it is sacrifice.
What I do find odd tho, is why that is so important to you. Why is the word so important to you, more than the thing you are doing.
This is one of the least important issues I have ever heard someone argue over.
Lets say they are sacrifice, so what? What now, what changes?
@hglundahl Yes those are helpful, but not what I meant. None of those verses mentioned the drinking or eating being the sacrifice itself.
I also have no idea what you mean by this
"Well, if his being priest of the most high God was relevant, then his bringing forth bread and wine was a sacrifice" what has that have to do with sacrfice?
You also still havent answered what is the sacrifice in supper/communion.
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @joojotin "Why are you so pressed?"
Sacrifice of the Mass is dogma for us Catholics. It's anathema for the Reformation. It's the one thing the Reformers pretended uniformly to reform against. Plus Purgatory.
"None of those verses mentioned the drinking or eating being the sacrifice itself."
I agree. The communion only seals the participation of the Sacrifice of the Mass.
The Sacrifice is when the priest turns bread and wine separately into Body and Blood of Our Lord. This symbolically puts the actual separation of them (not happening in Mass) on Calvary into our presence.
Obviously I believe there is something that can be sacrificed, the same sacrifice that was sacrificed on Calvary.
I also believe the one on Calvary never involved the Father being angry at the Son.
@joojotin "what has that have to do with sacrfice?"
Priest = sacrificer.
Wednesday, July 10, 2024
While I Love Both, Why Im' Not Jews for Jesus or Messianic Jews (But they are still right on some main point)
Jewish Believers in Jesus REACT to Harsh Comments
SO BE IT! | 27 June 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a85375M9bWo
1:03 I find that Tovia Singer is a coward who doesn't interact with me ....
I comment under his videos, I get some kind of hate speech from his fan base, and he wasn't the one replying, so his channel doesn't get cancelled for hate speech.
1:46 Take that Tovia!
Here is a little problem I've come across.
Some have pretended that in Jesus' day no one was as yet called Rabbi. So his being called Rabbi in the Gospels is an anachronism, what would you say?
2:05 It so happens, from this perspective, the Gospels are more Rabbinic teaching than Gospel story.
Some guy pretended "no, Matthew as portrayed in Papias wrote a collection of sayings, but this is a story we have in the Gospel"
56 % or so of the Gospels are in fact His own sayings. I counted the early and late chapters a bit differently, using the Vulgate, I only noticed halfway that ? and : came as separate words in the word programme, since in Latin (as in French) they are not glued to the previous word. But I still think the percentage is not too shaky.
3:05 The law of Moses condemns everyone since AD 70, taken on its own.
But through faith in Jesus, an added Tradition that Timothy (ethnically a Jew) had received from Paul, it can still in some way instruct to salvation.
3:45 Modern Judaism is to Second Temple Judaism what Protestantism is to Catholicism.
The difference being, Catholic altars have not been all broken.
We cannot worship in the Temple of old. But through the Eucharist, the Temple that was and is His body can worship in us.
5:18 The Jews who know the Scriptures better than most Israeli citizens are Christian Palestinians.
You are aware they descend from the Jews, Samarians and Galilaeans of 2000 years ago, those of them who put their faith in Jesus? (With some further back and forth between the two populations, like Constantine and Khosroes II pushed in two opposite directions).
7:31 Thank you very much.
According to St. Thomas Aquinas, this is exactly what is meant when St. Paul twice says "according to the Scriptures" in I Cor 15. He was fulfilling prophecy. Keeping a promise He had already made.
14:01 "the purpose of our people"
You mean the Roman Catholic Church or you mean the Halakhic and para-Halakhic population of Israel and of Jewish minorities?
They are not the same, and only one of them can be the actual people.
If the people is an olive tree, is it the branches (even ented) that are receiving the sap from the roots or is it cut off (even noble) branches on the ground that are the olive tree?
14:25 No, Tovia tried that one. Two giant problems with "Israel the people is the suffering servant" ...
1) Textually it doesn't fit, because Israel is named as "we" and also named as "daughter Sion";
2) It contradicts the blessings and curses in Deuteronomy 28.
The Babylonian captivity could have come close, but Jews were deported for their sins and those of their fathers, not for the sins (only by the sins) of Babylon.
That was only just a 70 year long suffering, or add some decades in the fringes ...
Pretending that Jewish suffering since Constantine (even if you largely overdo it, or especially if you do) and up to 1945 can be explained as "the suffering servant" is pretty grossly contrary to Deuteronomy 28.
Some guys and gals get rejected because they are ugly and have pimples and some like to think of it as the other person has issues. Jewish suffering when it has occurred over the last 2000 years, well, interpreting it as Jews suffering for the sins of the Gentiles is pretty much that kind of rationalisation.
If it had been true, Isaias 53 would have superseded and replaced Deuteronomy 28, so you would have a replacement theology anyway ... fortunately it isn't.
23:33 I hope Kenneth Greifer is not going to pretend I'm the suffering servant.
I think some Jews are maybe trying to cast me for the role.
Or someone else.
What's certain is, it's a marring note on those attempts to fall flat on the fact I remain Roman Catholic.
23:59 Some Jewish believers in Jesus are driven from their land.
Not as swiftly and brutally as Jewish believers in Mohammed in the Gaza area, but the Christian Palestinians are not quite at home even in Bethlehem.
25:53 But there is one religion that is even closer to Biblical Judaism.
Roman Catholicism.
28:28 Do you know why the Jesuits are called the Jesuits and not the Jesuats?
The Jesuats already existed, they were nick-named Aqua-Vitae Fathers before they were abolished and they did some distilling (hence the nick name).
28:56 Are you sure "Yeshu" originated as an acronym for the curse?
It could have been a local pronunciation of Yeshua?
Speaking of which, if the Talmudic Yeshu (early carreere, not the execution passages) was the guy who posed in Sweden (or possibly among Swabians) as the false god Odin, his name actually was obliterated. Christians (Xtians!) obliterated it.
30:04 Quibble. Transliterated. Translated would be "Salvatore" ...
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