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Friday, March 1, 2024
Catholicism and Protestantism : Ecclesiology and Justification (1/3 of Video)
Catholicism and Protestantism : Ecclesiology and Justification (1/3 of Video) · Catholicism and Protestantism (Middle Third of Same Video) · Last Third of the Video on Catholic / Protestant
Protestantism - Mastering Reformed Theology
Redeemed Zoomer | 28 Febr. 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDObh9uTTB8
0:05 "don't claim to be the one TRUE denomination"
Thereby contradicting Biblical data on what the Church is.
[The next comment I tried to leave actually was first delayed, and then disappeared when I tried to speed it up by renew page ... let's see if I can try again ...]
1:02 It was precisely because I was knowledgeable about Protestantism and different denominations that I came to see they all come from Catholicism.
Salvation Army? From Methodists, by William Booth.
Methodists? From Anglicans, by John Wesley.
Anglicans? From Catholics, by Cranmer and Henry VIII, with more or less inspiration from Luther and Bucer.
Luther? From Catholics.
Bucer? From Catholics, with inspiration from Luther and Zwingli.
Zwingli? From Catholics.
7DA? From Millerites, by Ellen Gould White.
Millerites? From (probably General) Baptists, by Miller.
General Baptists? From Anglicans, by John Smyth, and from Anglican Dissenters, by Thomas Helwys, with inspiration from Mennonites.
Anglicans? Already dealt with.
Mennonites? From Münzerites, by Menno, with inspiration from Catholic love of peace (Menno's previous confession).
Münzerites? From Catholics, by Münzer.
Given how harsh Luther was on Münzer, calling for his execution, it is ridiculous how Elle Gould White fawns on Luther, citing Merle d'Aubigné.
[Did it]
1:31 Only historic ecclesialist can be the true Church.
It has to be ecclesialist bc Acts 2:47. It has to be historic (in a sense that "historic" Protestants are NOT), i e have a claim, at least somewhat realistically to be continuing since Acts 2:47 happened, due to Matthew 28:20.
Restorationists are logical about what "reformation" means. By the way, on Catholic views, all Ecclesialist Restorationists are Protestants. 1) Because they come from other types of Protestantism; 2) Because they lack the fulness of the seven sacraments, as validly administered.
Now, non-restorationist Protestants are on top of that illogical at the point called the Reformation.
1) They claim a doctrine found predominant in the Catholic Church since times beyond personal or grandparental memory can be false;
2) did not damn those who believed it in grandpa's days, nor exclude them from being in Christ's own Church;
3) but would damn those who believed it after a Reformer discovered in his Bible that it was contrary to Scripture.
Thus what they said.
2:50 What Catholics actually believe can be studied in Ephesians 2:8-10, which, contrary to Ephesians 2:8,9, is a meaningful Bible passage.
Becoming justified from the state of mortal or original sin = Faith.
Remaining justified when one already is justified = Works (which include, but is not limited to, Faith).
Justification and sanctification are not separate.
When one is justified, from previous sin, one is sanctified. When one stays justified, one proceeds in sanctification or at least stands still on a level of it.
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