Why is it Catholics refuse to accept the truth that they bow down to images like that of Mary? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZesJt_8JBIg (see the Pope kissing, bowing to Mary?)
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-it-Catholics-refuse-to-accept-the-truth-that-they-bow-down-to-images-like-that-of-Mary-https-www-youtube-com-watch-v-ZesJt_8JBIg-see-the-Pope-kissing-bowing-to-Mary/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1
- Answer requested by
- David Chord
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- Catholic convert, reading many Catechisms
- Answered Apr 14
- Would you mind telling me where in the Bible it is forbidden to bow down to Mary or even images of Her?
I
- David Chord
- Apr 14
- Why would I do that?
If you’d like to ask your own question, you can right here on Quora!!
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- Apr 15
- Are you the guy who asked the question I answered?
Ah, it seems you were.
I don’t pose rhetorical questions very often without specific provocation, and you gave that one. I don’t feel a need to give all quorans reading my questions a disconnect on why I am asking a thing, so, that’s why I am asking you.
Now, you actually formulated it as we refuse to accept “that we bow down to images of Mary” - no, we don’t, we refuse to accept that that is a sin, for instance idolatry or any other you’d like to pretend it to be.
*mentally bowing down to a stabat mater image*
- David Chord
- Apr 15
- Now if you’d simply answered “Now, you actually formulated it as we refuse to accept “that we bow down to images of Mary” - no, we don’t, we refuse to accept that that is a sin, for instance idolatry or any other you’d like to pretend it to be.” it could have saved so much time!
a)
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- Apr 15
- I think my version was very comprehensible in that sense.
And I also think it was not the least bit more agressive than your own original question.
- David Chord
- Apr 15
- Did you forget your original response was to ask a question?
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- Apr 15
- Not the least.
Rhetorical question for rhetorical question.
b)
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- Apr 15
- And I also also think, if you disagree, the onus of proof is on you, as being the accuser.
That’s a good beginning on why I asked the counterquestion.
For instance, if you were thinking of Exodus 20, the Blessed Virgin, like Our Lord Himself, is not a “strange god” and “images” are not a separate commandment from such, and “bow down to them” refers to “strange gods and images of strange gods” - not to God or the things that pertain to God.
- David Chord
- Apr 15
- You seem to be getting confused!
What did my question “accuse” of? …. Catholics refuse to accept the truth that Catholics bow down to images!
The PROOF was in the video and is further proven by the responses of some Catholics here who deny bowing to images.
If you read more into the question than was asked that isn’t my problem… you should stick to the question!
..but while you’re here… let’s go on one step toward where you thought the question was directed and ask… “Are you saying that it’s not possible for some Catholics to idolize such statues and images, even in the tiniest way?”
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- Apr 15
- “Catholics refuse to accept the truth that Catholics bow down to images!”
When, where and how?
I refuse to accept the non-truth that Catholics bow down to idolatrous or sinful images.
That should be the default for any Catholic.
If you claim “Catholics” (so to speak in general) “refuse to accept the truth that Catholics bow down to images” you need to show me at least one who does so. Otherwise you are accusing us of being so ill-instructed as to take “bowing down to images” as a separately banned item in the commandments and trying to dodge the then obvious accusation.
“The PROOF was in the video”
Technically not, since Antipope Bergoglio is not a Catholic.
“nd is further proven by the responses of some Catholics here who deny bowing to images.”
Ah, which ones?
- David Chord
- Apr 15
- Sorry I’m done with your ridiculous nonsense and your done posting here too.
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- Apr 15
- “further proven by the responses of some Catholics here who deny bowing to images.”
Yolanda Bello didn’t do that. Lek Kodra didn’t do that. Steve Green didn’t do that. Domnhall, Charles Happold, Melissa B, so who?
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- Apr 15
- David Chord pretended I was done posting “here” - under my own post.
[had to use separate thread, though, not under his comment]
II
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- Apr 15
- Other question, why do you ask me about the guy you presumably mean by “the Pope”? I have no qualms about anti-Pope Bergoglio bowing down to Mary, but he does a lot of other things, those ones really un-Catholic, for the sake of which he is an antipope.
If you had a video with Pope Michael bowing down to Mary, I’d be able to unite myself to his prayer!
- The following,
- III and IV, are outside the comment section, in this blog post.
III
As David Chord seems to have edited, unless I missed, here is an added question of his and my answer:
..but while you’re here… let’s go on one step toward where you thought the question was directed and ask… “Are you saying that it’s not possible for some Catholics to idolize such statues and images, even in the tiniest way?”
That is irrelevant. It is one question if for instance an icon painter thinks of his painting process as above morality or doctrine, which would examplify the said, and another question totally if the normal use of images is normally idolatry.
IV
It can be noted that this exchange was one of the things that expired before that evening and morning, offered a meal too much on Good Friday evening, rejected it an extra time on Holy Saturday morning, asked the guy to leave, started shoving him to make him do so, he didn't, he ended up kicking my head. I still bear the sequels. I am not saying he was the guy. I am wondering if he could have made some aggressive remarks about me before a band of gipsies and the guy be one of them. Not sure. If he's a shrink and posing as my shrink, that could be why the police and the doctors at Hôtel-Dieu messed things up.
Here is another of those things:
Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere : Analysing a Long Tirade by Jordan Peterson
https://assortedretorts.blogspot.com/2022/04/analysing-long-tirade-by-jordan-peterson.html
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