Sunday, July 13, 2025

What if So Called "Christo-Fascists" Really Were Christian Fascists?


Where are prolifers and what do they think of what is happening now?
Parkrose Permaculture | 6 July 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4IpoZ4nGLE


Fascism in Italy was certainly pro-life, in the common sense of the term, namely, a woman aborted alone (of sane mind and over 14), she got between 1 and 4 years. A woman aborted with medical assistance, both she and doctors got between 2 and 5 years. A minor under 14 was not presumed capable of validly consenting to abortion, so whoever had induced her to do that got between 6 and 12 years. Franco's law of 1941 didn't se terms like so and so many years, but "pena de prisión mayor a reclusión menor en su grado mínimo ." (forced abortion, penalty for provider) or ""pena de prisión en sus grados medio y máximo" (provider if woman consents, except in cases of invalid consent).

H O W E V E R ... Italy also was, under Mussolini, a welfare state. More moderate than Social Democracies, but still. Motherhood of the poor was sponsored.

Health care was sponsored.

There was certainly death penalty, but, apart from squadristi committing illegal acts, which Mussolini started to curb some time after the civil war, starting with the aftermath of a squadrista killing a parliamentarian (Matteotti), death penalties from 1930 to 1940 were 118 + 65 sentences of which 65 + 53 were carried out (crimes against the state and common crimes). Somewhat more violent than Florida, considering on the one hand that 113 executions are a comparable number but for a longer timespan (since 1976) and on the other hand that it's for a larger population in Italy.

I'm not opposed to death penalty per se, provided there is due process and no inflation in them. Death row in the US has become a cruelty over and above the penalty, because lawyers are wanting to exonerate some on the excuse of madness and some guards are actually trying to make them mad.

But callousness about poverty started out as a trait of early Malthusian capitalists, not of Fascist opposition to abortion.

Under Franco, there were probably more executions, notably against ETA members (haven't checked how many), but here also a real concern for welfare state made "abortion of poverty" a non-issue.

The one excuse I can think of for cutting Medicaid is a top heavier age pyramid (due to abortion and contraception, notably) in today's USA than in Italy of 1930 or Spain of 1941. Even there one should arguably fight for keeping the benefits, if only one also fights against abortion.




Checking the tax cuts.

Starting in 2029, those making $30,000 a year or less would see a tax increase, while the top 0.1 percent would get a $309,000 tax cut, on average – an annual tax break that is more than three times what the typical American household earns in an entire year.


That's the assessment of Gavin Newsom. Not unbiassed, but I'll believe him. Because, you see, that is exactly what is done in Sweden as well. So, Donald Trump is copying Social Democratic Sweden.




The "eaten by alligators" part sounds like the Berlin wall.

Again, Mussolini and Franco weren't the party comrades of Honecker. Honecker was a Bolshevik. (Broadly speaking: Socialist Unity Party of Germany, formed in 1946 through a unification of the East German branches of the Communist Party of Germany and the Social Democratic Party of Germany, the SED aimed to consolidate progressive working-class politics under a common platform of Marxist–Leninist ideals.) His widow, before dying, expressed feeling no regret about the automatic firing on those trying to migrate out of East Germany, pretending "they didn't need to get out" ...

The alligator comment makes me about as angry as that infamous Arizona sheriff who prided himself on emptying water bottles so as to kill anyone trying to pass the Sonora desert. Again, a man not unlike Honecker.

(My apologies to any Swiss Honegger with two G, for having at times spelled this evil politician with two G instead of his actual CK ...)




"I don't know how you overcome that"

Third party?

Combining Pro-Life and School Freedom positions of Republicans with some welfare directed ones by Bernie Sanders?

That's pretty much what I mean with Fascism, minus the dictatorship, and the dictatorship was anyway a makeshift in the face of civil war actually started by reds (Biennio Rosso, Red Terror under Caballero) ... not per se an ideal.

The growing call to excommunicate "devout Catholic" ICE Director Tom Homan
Parkrose Permaculture | 14 July 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFOSivOkGCw


Whoever signed that order of discontinuing asylum rights for churches could also be excommunicated for sacrilegious policy making.

2:37 If your Presbyterian background hails from the Mayflower, they already had religious liberty in the Netherlands.

4:24 He is. He should already be excommunicated.

5:00 The persons who are willing to give Homan communion are the persons who were willing to give Biden communion despite pro-abortion policies.

Final words: "incredibly powerful" and "this time ... the right side of history"?

The Catholic Church is not incredibly powerful and when was it "on the wrong side of history" as those words imply?

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