A 12 Year Old Mother Should be Able to be a 12 Year Old Bride

What DNA Revealed About a 12-Year-Old Mother
DNAngels Org | 31 Dec. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1BaZc2qaAE

Was the considerably older man already married to someone else?

If not, under other jurisidictions, he could have repaired for what he did by marrying her, unless she preferred the age peer.

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Jan van

@janvan4424

There is NO WAY to repair rape. The crime has already been comitted. Being married to the rapist would be a horrible thing for the victim to endure. Would you want to be married to someone who committed a crime against you?

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@hglundahl

@janvan4424 Being married would be horrible in some cases, not others.

Have you heard of "friend rape"? Means, they were already kind of romantic, or romanticism vs friend zone, so it wouldn't be like letting a complete stranger into one's life after he made a very rude intrusion.

And I think, statistically, that more rapes are committed from people you know than from strangers.

The Mosaic law was allowing for such reparation in some cases, and so were Medieval Catholic customs (and same reparation requirement was also attached to simply seducing a virgin, see El Alcalde de Zalamea, for an early post-Medieval example of such jurisprudence).

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DNAngels Org

@dnangelsorg2544

@hglundahl, we do not agree with a 12 year old victim marrying the person who harmed her.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@dnangelsorg2544 In this case, you do not agree with a father marrying a mother of the same child, then. I thought you were in favour of healing.

However, you are not accuser, judge or prison guardian, you are if anything at all closer to the coroner (or do you say "judge of investigation" in the US) if there is a case.

My observation was about jurisdictions, not about your view on the matter. However, it is likely views like yours have contributed to the raised age limits for marriage.

Jan van

@hglundahl we are in favor of the mother healing, but making her marry someone who raped her and stole her innocence will traumatize her even further and won't remotely bring healing

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@janvan4424 I said nothing about making her marry the person who committed what might have been just statutory rape in your jurisdiction.

I said, in a different jurisdiction it would have been an option for her (but an obligation for him), unless he was already married, consecrated celibate or close relative.

@janvan4424 I note you don't seem to be in favour of the perpetrator healing.

Jan van

@hglundahl marrying the girl he raped won't heal him. I am in favor of him being held accountable for the crime he committed by going to prison. I am in favor of him getting professional help so he will hopefully never commit that crime again.
I noticed you didn't address the question I asked you.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@janvan4424 If he marries her, he will not commit the crime again.

Without prison. Without therapy. Just by his duties as a husband.

Now, to the question. Depends on the crime. I would certainly not want to enter a gay marriage if raped by a bugger. But since the act, whether actual or just statutory rape, made a child, this was not the case.

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Jan van

Marrying the girl he raped doesn't repair what he did. All it does is punish the girl by marrying the man who raped her.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@janvan4424 Did you miss what I stated? She isn't punished, it's her option, but his duty if she choses. And some rapes do occur between people who have previously had a good relationship.

Plus, the rape in question could have been just statutory.

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Catholic jurisdiction:

II—II, Question 154. The parts of Lust
Article 7. Whether rape is a species of lust, distinct from seduction?
https://www.newadvent.org/summa/3154.htm#article7

The Objection 3 is about an abrogated decree of a Council of Meaux.

Reply to Objection 3. The rape of a maiden who is promised in marriage is to be judged differently from that of one who is not so promised. For one who is promised in marriage must be restored to her betrothed, who has a right to her in virtue of their betrothal: whereas one that is not promised to another must first of all be restored to her father's care, and then the abductor may lawfully marry her with her parents' consent. Otherwise the marriage is unlawful, since whosoever steals a thing he is bound to restore it. Nevertheless rape does not dissolve a marriage already contracted, although it is an impediment to its being contracted. As to the decree of the council in question, it was made in abhorrence of this crime, and has been abrogated. Wherefore Jerome [The quotation is from Can. Tria. xxxvi, qu. 2 declares the contrary: "Three kinds of lawful marriage," says he, "are mentioned in Holy Writ. The first is that of a chaste maiden given away lawfully in her maidenhood to a man. The second is when a man finds a maiden in the city, and by force has carnal knowledge of her. If the father be willing, the man shall endow her according to the father's estimate, and shall pay the price of her purity [Cf. Deuteronomy 22:23-29. The third is, when the maiden is taken away from such a man, and is given to another at the father's will."

We may also take this decree to refer to those who are promised to others in marriage, especially if the betrothal be expressed by words in the present tense.

The previous article, on Seduction, features Exodus 22:16-17 and Deuteronomy 22:28-29.