Thursday, February 26, 2026

Sungenis Arguably Wrong about Our Lady's Age


It's within a general questions and answers session, and his mistake is on that particular question, so I'm not answering all of the video:

The Copernican Conspiracy & The Science of Genesis
Robert Sungenis | 25.II.2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXgup2Fxxac


I tried to find a source for your claim, and I get a confused Benedictine pretending St. Albert supports 20.*

Here is St. Albert's conclusion, but watch out for what Fr. Robert Nixon, OSB inserts in brackets:

It is apparent that everything pertaining to the Blessed Virgin was most fitting and apt, both with respect to nature and grace. We therefore believe that she conceived Our Lord at the age at which a person has reached full stature and development of body [i.e. not in her earliest youth.] We believe also that she was betrothed to Joseph around the same time, approximately two months before she conceived Our Lord (according to the usual custom for engagements.)


If we count "her earliest youth" as actual childhood, physical incapacity of conception, I agree.

What St. Albert counts as "full stature and development of body" (I'd like to see the Latin) is when a woman is normally able to conceive, which is on average some months above 12. The full normal spread for either sex is 9 to 18. A doctor cannot diagnose "precocious" or "delayed" puberty except outside those limits. However, the average is a few months after 12 for women and a few months after 14 for men.

What Fr. Robert Nixon, OSB supposes is, St. Albert talks of how tall She is. Yes, skeletal development can add a few inches after puberty and usually does.

That's why he wantonly adds "not in her earliest youth" and thank God he has the decensy of at least using brackets.

Note also that St. Albert doesn't the least doubt that St. Joseph was elderly:

Furthermore, the marriage of an elderly man to a very young maiden seems to be incongruous. Rather, it is fitting that a young man marry a young woman, and that an older man marry an older woman. Hence it is written by the poet Ovid: “If you wish to marry wisely, then marry someone who is like yourself!” Now the marriage between Mary and Joseph was certainly organized in accordance with all wisdom. Therefore, since Joseph was already an elderly man, it seems that Mary should not have been extremely young, but of a more mature age.


The incongruity about an old man married to a young woman comes from the Pagan Ovid, not from Church law.

But St. Albert didn't say "if, as is usually assumed" but "since Joseph was already an elderly man" ...

37:09 There are different views on whether Proto-Gospel of St. James is from the Apostle St. James the Brother of God.

You are obviously on the denying side.

37:25 Where would you get "around 20" from?

37:47 The references I find are about sacrifices of sicels of silver, for men, and also, military service.

So, we can probably be sure St. Joseph was at least 20, but not that Our Lady was.

He that is counted in the number from twenty years and upwards, shall give the price.
[Exodus 30:14]
And it was offered by them that went to be numbered, from twenty years old and upwards, of six hundred and three thousand five hundred and fifty men able to bear arms.
[Exodus 38:25]
If it be a man from twenty years old unto sixty years old, he shall give fifty sicles of silver, after the weight of the sanctuary:
[Leviticus 27:3]
From twenty years old and upwards, of all the men of Israel fit for war, and you shall number them by their troops, thou and Aaron.
[Numbers 1:3]
And assembled them on the first day of the second month, reckoning them up by the kindreds, and houses, and families, and heads, and names of every one from twenty years old and upward,
[Numbers 1:18]
Of Ruben the eldest son of Israel, by their generations and families and houses and names of every head, all that were of the male sex, from twenty years old and upward, that were able to go forth to war,
[Numbers 1:20]


38:04 Can you give even one place in the OT where it is spelled out that a woman cannot be married before 20?

Can you give even one place in the OT where "twenty years" is mentioned as any kind of legal requirement about a woman?

38:19 I don't think you find persons, even male, of under 20 for that reason called children in all of the OT.

A man under 20 was not yet doing military service, but that doesn't make him a "child" ... you can answer "what about boy?"

And I can answer "can girls (apart from children) not get married"? An alternative translation of a prophecy in Isaias states "girl" instead of "virgin" ... the concepts were not totally alien.

In this matter, you are going against Italy and the Papal states.

In Codice Rocco, 14 was clearly the age of consent. How do I know? A girl of 14 who aborts is punished, but a girl of 13 isn't, but she is deemed to have not consented to abortion, and therefore whoever "put her up to" abortion (even if she asked for it) is punished way harder. I couldn't find the criteria for rape about Codice Rocco, the punishments for abortion and "euthanasia" are the most cited and a 1930's integrality of it is hard to find. I think 14 is still the age of consent in Italy. In that case, it should also be an age for marriage. The Risorgimento raised it to 18/18 unfortunately.

Now, the Papal states, before the Risorgimento, actually had the canonic law, which is 14 for men and 12 for women, for nuptial age. In the 1917 canon law, this changes upwards two years, but the old limits remain as age of consent. See "de personis" and "infamia legis" ... one of the things that make you infamous by legal fact is being judged (I don't think it matters if the court is secular or clerical) for sexual activity with persons who are below 14 if male or below 12 if female.

38:39 First, She would not have been a child at less than 20, and second, "blessed among women" is an already standing formula, a kind of military award used twice in the OT.

Jael and Judith. Each because they killed a man who wanted them and didn't get them and was an enemy of Israel.

Now, Satan is the oldest enemy of God's Israel, that's the only person Our Lady can be said to have in any sense "killed" making Her Co-Redemptrix.

* The Youthfulness of Mary the Mother of God
Fr. Robert Nixon, OSB
https://tandirection.com/tradition-restored/the-youthfulness-of-mary-the-mother-of-god/

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