Sunday, April 26, 2026

That Galileo Was a Jerk Doesn't Matter (Unless if You're Praying for His Repose), and Didn't Matter as to the Process


The Truth About the Inquisition, Galileo & the Flat Earth Myth | Dr. Thomas Madden | Last Call Ep 11
Matt Fradd | 24 April 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8qy5pV1u2U


3:45 Four arguments.*

The one he considered most secure was a mistake, but the argument if not the fact is replicated by Magellan.

5:25 "which is true"

You just made the bans of 1616 and renewed because applied to Galileo, 1633, applicable to you.

Besides, you don't believe the Sun is centre of the Universe, you believe it's centre of the Solar System, which is a further departure from classical Christian Cosmology.

Galileo, unlike Bruno, didn't do that, as I recall. He still believed the Universe had an identifiable centre and a periphery in the sphere of the fix stars.

5:36 You're forgetting that in order to not get censored, Copernicus waited to the death bed and even than just stated it as a hypothesis, to make calculations easier, not as a fact about the universe.

6:28 St. Robert Bellarmine actually did have other objections than purely scientific ones.

And I think his proposal to Galileo, if any, was not "look at the sky more carefully, we don't see the Copernican model" but "you know, Tycho and Copernicus give us the same visual effect on the sky, what about Tycho Brahe?"

6:46 I think you are getting this from the Pro-Heliocentric side in 1822.

Father Olivieri could say this kind of things, because noone in Rome could check, the archives were in Paris where Napoleon I had stolen them to.

"Tutti i francesi, sono ladroni?
- Non tutti, mai buona parte"


7:28 Sorry, but he was in fact not free to promote Heliocentrism as science, as physical fact rather than mathematical shorthand, since the theology by Dominicans involved Joshua's miracle and Sun and Moon ceased to move.

Not Earth. Sun and Moon.

Galileo's theological and unacceptable response was "non-overlapping magisteria" ...

8:01 Howeversomuch Galileo may have been a jerk, the Inquisition doesn't give people abjurations and lifelong house arrest for that.

He was given that for doctrine, not character.

And as "Simplicio" took an argument that the Pope, while still a cardinal, had used, it is significant the Pope (who could be insulted) abstained from being among the judges, and his relative, among them, abstained from voting.

The argument, by the way, is this: God could create the world any way He wanted, and God could make the world look anyway He wanted. Now, on some level, this could be considered a sceptic argument, namely if the world looked Heliocentric. But as it looks Geocentric, it's an appeal to God's honesty.

8:26 It doesn't mean just he had to spend time at home, rest of his life.

It means he had to abjure.

The Dialogo is what he was being judged on. It's fiction, not everything said in it is his own view. It's as if Dan Brown would have been given an opportunity to abjure the Bloodline of Jesus theory after writing The da Vinci Code making him vehemently suspect ...

8:33 While his villa was different to a dungeon, like Liparic Islands are different from Siberia, he was denied social life, except with his spiritual caretakers and very close, including a daughter who was a nun.

An author whom Stalin didn't like could go to Siberia and hard work. One whom Mussolini didn't like to Liparic Islands, and a state pension while he was there. Both would be denied normal social interaction with their previous surroundings.**




* Aristotle against a Flat Earth. ** Again, it's a punishment, not for being a jerk, but for what he suggested.

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