Protestantism Doesn't Fit Matthew 28:16—20

Does Orthodox Devotion to Mary Go Too Far? (Yes)
Testify | 4 Nov 2026
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Hans-Georg Lundahl

@hglundahl

Here is my objection which you didn't answer.

Catholicism overdoes Mariology.
Orthodoxy overdoes Mariology.

What about Copts, Armenians, Assyrians (Monophysites and Nestorians, except Monophysites are two different groups, Armenians aren't in communion with Jacobites)?

So, if you find that these too overdo Mariology ... where was the Church that stayed correct?

Matthew 28:16 to 20 says there had to be one. EVERY day and therefore obviously EVERY Century.

If there isn't one, you have two options. Christ failed to keep His promise or maybe one of above actually didn't overdo Mariology.

I'm a Christian, so I'm Catholic.

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Jin

@jin8982

Don't put a blanket over literally everyone. Not everyone wants to build statues of Mary and call her ""Queen of heaven"" even when heaven heaven doesn't have a Queen.

And no, Christ didn't fail. He kept his word but the Church didn't. As usual. And the Church in NT mentions the Church being the believers all across the world and not one particular institution or a special club filled with proud believers.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@jin8982 If the Church is teaching all the nations, it has to be visible.

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Crossroads

@Crossroads-inri

I think the issue is what catholics mean by church and what protestants mean. From my point of view Catholics tend to mean an institution, whereas Protestants tend to mean the universal body of people, which could include multiple institutions including the Catholic Church.

So from the Protestant viewpoint it doesn’t matter that there are all these churches in the pre-medieval era overdoing Mariology; the true believers who have faith in Christ and are faithful to him are still there.

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Hans-Georg Lundahl

@Crossroads-inri "the true believers who have faith in Christ and are faithful to him are still there."

Where they so back then?

Can you document it.

Crossroads

@hglundahl I can’t provide a list of every faithful Christian who ever lived, no. But I don’t have to. The burden of proof of the Catholic Church being the “one true church” is on the Catholic Church

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@Crossroads-inri The burden of proof for their being a non-Catholic, equally non-Orthodox, equally non-Coptic, equally non-Armenian-Apostolic, and equally non-Assyrian remnant is on those needing such a thing.

Crossroads

@hglundahl But historical protestants and modern evangelicals aren’t making the claim that their church is the “One True Church.” Why would I be a part of a church that has been around for a long time but teaches unbiblical doctrine? I’d rather hold to the more ancient traditions that are found in Scripture and taught by the apostles, which rejects unbiblical Mariology doctrine and other such errors, as laid out by Testify.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@Crossroads-inri "the more ancient traditions that are found in Scripture"

But are they found AFTER the Bible books were written and BEFORE The Reformation?

If not, considering them Apostolic Traditions is Unbiblical, Antibiblical, against Matthew 28:16 to 20.

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Thad of all Trades

@thadofalltrades

@Crossroads-inri which is the example in Scripture, God always preserved a remnant even among his chosen people when they fell away.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@thadofalltrades Elijas and the 7000 or King Joas raised by the High Priest are documented in the Bible.

Also, the Old Covenant didn't involve a guarantee against all of the people falling away, as the New Covenant does.

Compare the mentioned verses in Matthew 28 with Deuteronomy 28.

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Bill Cynic

@billcynic1815

I'm Orthodox, but I know our Protestant friends like to appeal to a righteous remnant existing durimg this time, so I have a similar challenge to them, except an even easier challenge than a body: name one person who lived from the years 325-1054 that wouldn't call you a heretic. Not just "they don't explicitly say what I believe" but "they actively teach the opposite as heresy". Forget the body for a moment, if you can't even identify one person, how can you say the Church stayed correct? Especially for those who like historical evidentialism, where is any evidence of that remnant, the "true believers" they appeal to?

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Thad of all Trades

there's always a remnant that remains true to God, when his people go after idols. The Bible shows us over and over again that the natural tendency of humanity is to go after idols, even images which God initially endorsed, like the bronze serpent. So, it makes perfect sense that the church could largely apostatize and only a small remnant remain. This is shown in Revelation 2&3. Of the 7 churches mentioned the majority are in trouble.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@thadofalltrades "So, it makes perfect sense that the church could largely apostatize and only a small remnant remain."

For the end times, this is nearly a promise.

Luke 18:8

As we (or someone after us) are or will be living through that time, we don't need historic documentation to prove the existence of this remnant.

However, for most of the history between the first and second coming, the Church was supposed to teach the nations, the one Who gave the task promising His help and reminding of His omnipotence.

The remnant in the past, like before the Reformation, needs to be documented.

Thad of all Trades

@hglundahl The Papacy is the little horn of Daniel 7, we're already in the end times, we've been there for centuries. Jesus started opening the seals on the scroll when he ascended.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

SHOW the Remnant for centuries concerned, don't just affirm there was one!

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Hans-Georg Lundahl

// You actually have to demonstrate that the Pharisees seem to think that their teaching on Corban, for example, was something that was very ancient, maybe even went back to Moses, //

Do they?

Does "tradition of the ancients" mean "tradition from Moses on Mt Sinai"?

InitialPC

@InitialPC

The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
Matthew 23:2-3

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@InitialPC Sitting in Moses' seat and having everything you say being a tradition from Moses are two different things.

InitialPC

@hglundahl Hear that? That's the sound of the shifting of the goal posts.

Thad of all Trades

@hglundahl they interpreted the law, so everything had to have a basis in the law to be practiced.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@InitialPC The one shifting the goal posts is you.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@thadofalltrades Having a basis in the law and being explicitly part of it by oral tradition since the beginning are two different things.

Friday abstinence has a basis in Apostolic tradition, but is not identic to fasting to 18:30 from all food and after that avoiding meat, dairy and eggs, which is probably how it was done in their day.

Thad of all Trades

@hglundahl there's no evidence that it has been a part of oral tradition from the beginning. That is a baseless claim you guys make and the evidence is actually against there being an oral tradition from the beginning.

InitialPC

@hglundahl "You actually have to demonstrate that the Pharisees seem to think that their teaching on Corban, for example, was something that was very ancient, maybe even went back to Moses"
Now it's "prove they actually do come from Moses"

That is by definition, shifting the goal posts. And pointing out what you are doing, is not the same thing as doing that thing.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@InitialPC I'm not the one asking whether Pharisees come from Moses (via Ezra), they did.

I'm just asking whether they believed, even themselves, that their ruling on Corban is one that went back to Moses himself.

So, not shifting the goal posts.

InitialPC

@hglundahl You are shifting. And judging from the ratios its looking like others are seeing it to.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@InitialPC Be disingenious if you like ...