Bible Tampered With or Put Together by Nicean Council? Nope ... (quora)

Q

Is it possible that the creators of the holy scripture are liars or that they changed god's message to us all? If this is not possible in your mind, explain why.
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Brett Tyler

Many years of existential investigation

Answered Sep 27

It's all a lie.

Don't let anyone tell you any different.

The bible was created by ROMANS.

They took a bunch of Jewish writings and crammed them together in the most logical way possible. Unfortunately for the modern educated mind, none of it makes much sense.

Then there's the whole, God fits the profile of a raging psychopath, issue.

Free yourself.

http://www.kyroot.com/

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Sep 27

“The bible was created by ROMANS.”

And was accepted by Jews, Samarians, Christians, in various proportions of acceptance and rejection of books, how, if so?

Brett Tyler

Sep 28

The Nicean council put together the bible for the uneducated peasants of their empire.

It was a tool for control then as it is now.

Check this link if you want the truth

http://www.kyroot.com/

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Sep 28

It seems you are a somewhat uneducated peasant of the empire yourself.

"The Nicean council put together the bible"

Totally false.

The Nicean council 325 was not involved in chosing which books belonged to the Bible.

Some regional councils were, for instance Laodicea, some decades after 325, had an NT canon without the Apocalypse, but Carthage a bit later still had the present NT canon.

OT canon was even more interesting, since Laodicea had the same OT books that Protestants use while Carthage at least has all the OT books that Catholics use, a Protestant has argued at least three more.

"for the uneducated peasants"

Books were expensive. Both scrolls and the perhaps budding already codex form. A bishop could afford a Bible codex no problem, or its equivalent in scrolls, but hardly each and every parishioner, possibly not even every curate in the city. Peasants were often enough still Pagans, and if slaves were not converted by Bibles, but by their masters.

"of their empire."

Except that Nicea was really admitted by Christians all over the world, outside the Empire too : Armenia (which was Christian a few years before Roman Empire even), Ethiopia, among Parths and Hindoos.

"Check this link if you want the truth"

Like, if it inspired you to a statement like "The Nicean council put together the bible for the uneducated peasants of their empire," I think it is fairly clearly useless for wanting the truth.

As said, Jews and Samarians were not best friends with either Christians or each other.

Jews admitted all OT books on the Laodicea list as sacred, if not all on the Carthage list. Samarians who had separated from Jews a thousand years earlier than Jews and Christians split at least admitted the five books of Moses and perhaps Joshua and Judges as well.

So, Jews and Samarians were not even into Nicea, it was a purely Christian affair. How do you explain their acceptance of Exodus, if it was "put together" by Nicea?

Oh, by the way, it is possible that your link is not going to help you. If it is, you need to read it better than you did so far.

As for “tool of control”, I prefer being controlled by a Bible which has freed slaves than being controlled by a science which has made new slaves. And yes, unlike you, I know history.

Brett Tyler

5h ago

First, you're rude.

Second, the council of Nicea was about the divinity of Christ and the nature of the trinity. It was also part of the transition from paganism to the new religion.

That's why christian holidays are all on pagan holidays.

I've heard university professors speak at length about early christians and they were in fact uneducated peasants.

Early Christians were uneducated and superstitious

The obvious aside, the bible isn't real. The OT God is psychotic and homicidal and down right sadistic. None of the stories even make sense to the rational educated mind.

Why do you think statistics show that the higher a person's education level the less likely they will have a belief in God or religion.

You live in denial! And it's sad you live a ridiculous fairy tale of a lie.

1623 Reasons Christianity is not True you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. So long, christian.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Just now

"Second, the council of Nicea was about the divinity of Christ and the nature of the trinity."

Divinity of Christ will do.

"It was also part of the transition from paganism to the new religion."

For whom? Participants were already bishops (and their attendants) and therefore not part of paganism. Pagans in the Empire were neither invited nor expected to convert in 325.

"That's why christian holidays are all on pagan holidays."

Except they aren't, that is bogus learning. One exception is Dec 25 being also Sol Invictus, but this pagan feast came so late it could well be a copy of the Christian feast - a clumsy attempt to enroll Christians back to paganism, by letting them keep the season (without the reason).

"I've heard university professors speak at length about early christians and they were in fact uneducated peasants."

Funny that in that case so many weren't. I looked up your link, it only says many of the Christians were so. OK. This is no case for Christianity depending on gullibility of these, if others were not.

"The obvious aside, the bible isn't real."

This has no kind of bearing on your theory of where and when it was put together. Except as showing you are somewhat short of arguments on it.

"The OT God is psychotic and homicidal and down right sadistic."

You know, your blasphemies will not prove that Council of Nicea put the Bible together.

"None of the stories even make sense to the rational educated mind."

Except so many rational educated minds do find sense in them ... unless, of course, "educated" is your code word for educated YOUR way.

"Why do you think statistics show that the higher a person's education level the less likely they will have a belief in God or religion."

Statistics in present day US or even West? Well, because the places where education is acquired are fairly infested with atheists abusing their positions, for one.

"You live in denial! And it's sad you live a ridiculous fairy tale of a lie."

Still no proof Council of Nicea put the Bible together ....

"1623 Reasons Christianity is not True you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. So long, christian."

OK, which number shall I look up for proving your theory the Council of Nicea put the Bible together? Or, as the case might be, disproving their point of view?

Perhaps one you have already given full justice to even?

Oh, by the way, why should I care if a blasphemer considers me rude?

Answered three times

by Brett Tyler, A and B and E, the latter related to last question.

A

Brett Tyler

8h ago

Yawn…..the early Christians were uneducated peasants. Everyone who's read anything about the first 200 years of Christianity knows this lol.

You're attempts at ripping my words apart in desperation are sad. It's likened to a man scratching and scraping the edge of a deep precipice as he loses his grip just before falling needlessly….

Even our days of the week are named after pagan Gods. Rome had a capitol hill as does D.C. We even have Roman style architecture in our capitol.

The Romans codified Christianity as a political move. Without the Roman Empire and Charlemagne Christianity wouldn't even exist.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

3m ago

"Yawn…."

Get some coffee, I'll think I'll join you after answering.

See, I should have written "I think I'll", but hadn't got the caffeine yet!

"the early Christians were uneducated peasants."

The early Christians INCLUDED fishermen who, previously to studying under Christ had a low education profile, and were identified as such by the Kohanim of the Temple. They also included one St Matthew with a distinctly higher education profile.

The converts during ensuing centuries certainly INCLUDED quite a few slaves (NT includes some advice or even regulations for their behaviour in relation to masters) but also masters (since same passage includes regulations about their behaviour to slaves).

The converts in the time of Constantine included LOTS of uneducated people, but not particularly all of the peasants. And the reason we call the other religion (neither Jewish nor Christian) "Pagan" is that peasants were the last or most notable among the last diehard Pagans. Pagan means villager and peasant is from the same or derived word.

"Everyone who's read anything about the first 200 years of Christianity knows this lol."

Yeah, right ... martyrdom of this or that says "praeclara gente". Peasants as such were not a class, since most of the country was in large plantations, slaves did not get decapitation (among the 46 or 47 martyrs of Lyons - one seems to count as a martyr without having died then - 22 were decapitated = were Roman Citizens = were not slaves).

Perhaps your favourite source is Celsus, though, he would have made such a claim - from fairly thin air.

"You're attempts at ripping my words apart in desperation are sad. It's likened to a man scratching and scraping the edge of a deep precipice as he loses his grip just before falling needlessly…."

Nice rhetoric. But perhaps you should get more coffee before trying it, you are misplacing occasions.

"Even our days of the week are named after pagan Gods."

So? Especially since this is not the case in all languages.

And very especially, since the concept of “week” = seven days = is not a Roman one.

"Rome had a capitol hill as does D.C. We even have Roman style architecture in our capitol."

Yes, Christian Roman Empire has had a habit of reaffirming its Romanity way after Imperial Administration was gone. In the case of DC, perhaps even after Christian faith was gone, Washington being a Freemason.

"The Romans codified Christianity as a political move."

Except to all evidence it was already codified - unless you mean Romans AND Jews in the 1st Century. St Paul was a Roman Citizen, St Peter a Roman Empire Resident without Civic rights.

"Without the Roman Empire and Charlemagne Christianity wouldn't even exist."

The Greek Orthodox will appreciate your crediting Charlemagne with inventing Christianity, they love to hate him ... when it comes to spreading and preserving Christianity, though, Roman Empire did some good work. Christianity might not have been as successful in Pharaonic Egypt or under Gengis Khan.

That is why we credit Roman Empire with being part of God's plan.

B

Brett Tyler

8h ago

examples of god is a psychopath [a google]

The God of the Old Testament is a psychopathic villain.

Technically, Satan or Lucifer killed far less people.

It's too bad you can't see things clearly and realize that religion is the most dividing force in world history.

But, religion is a tool for tyrants and mind control so…..brain-washing is par for the course…..

Answered twice

by me, C and D

C

Hans-Georg Lundahl

2m ago

“Technically, Satan or Lucifer killed far less people.”

Technically, Satan killed everybody by seducing Eve and through her manipulating Adam. Everyobody who died so far is due to that - whatever other cause is involved.

On the other hand, God also in a sense killed everyone who died so far : he gave each life and decided for each when he died.

Some of the scenes you think of involve dying in far less prolonged pains than most deaths.

D

Hans-Georg Lundahl

2m ago

“But, religion is a tool for tyrants and mind control so…..brain-washing is par for the course…..”

If you take a look at who holds most schools, you are better equipped to identify the tyrant who does the brainwashing.

Hint : it’s not Christians.

Hint 2 : back when it was, conditions were less tyrannical than now.

E

Brett Tyler

8h ago

Because your God isn't real. That's why.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

33m ago

If I had happened to agree, I might have taken that as a reason.