Is Jesus "Unworthy of the Universe"? | Richard Dawkins vs John Lennox
Larry Alex Taunton | 6 Dec. 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZO7tsnHI8s
Lennox starts a most important question with "is there a God" ...
Well, I suppose Dawkins would consider it petty and unworthy of the universe to believe in a God who does one very gigantic pushup a day, the one we observe as morning and evening, and then as any given constellation appearing disappearing and reapparing.
But St. Paul didn't find it petty and unworthy of God, if you read Romans 1 and Jesus refers to that undoubted work of God each day as performed even on Sabbaths (otherwise time would have stopped at two visible stars a Friday evening over Jerusalem's time zone), and if the Pharisees had said "yes, but God is God, He doesn't need to exert Himself and make an effort to do that" Our Lord could just have lifted the hand to His right ear and answer "would you repeat that, please?"
John Lennox on C.S. Lewis, Oxford, and the Faith That Shaped His Life
Larry Alex Taunton | 9.VI.2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08Xrx4xABFw
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- how strange for anyone that declares himself an atheist to comment "how unworthy of the universe" as if the universe is worthy or unworthy of anything when by their own admission the universe simply is. It makes myself not believe in atheists. Atheists it seems no matter how much they want to detach themselves from the reality of things can't seem to not make things personal. People want to believe that there is some sort of order to it all and the chink in the armor of atheists is that they are still human and not robots.
The following comments are mine, unless a dialogue specifically begins with a handle:
1:44 So, Dawkins said "how petty"?
After that, I don't think Lennox needed to answer. Dawkins had given up the game, he had shown he wanted to give the attributes of God to the Universe.
Which as a Geocentric, I absolutely don't want!
16:21 John Lennox, has he read Unwanted Priest / Prêtre rejeté, by Revd. Bryan Houghton?
Both English original and French translation exist, perhaps only the latter in print.
18:00 Were they just calling the man Pulverulentus Siccus, famous Latin grammarian of the Narnian world? (Telmarine or perhaps adopted Telmarine ... from the Roman world).
33:19 Ah, Lennox does accept that Babylonian "creation" stories begin in Abiogenesis, like Norse and Evolutionist ones?
44:18 Marxism is Atheistic?
If you mean that as they are Atheisising, yes. It probably isn't genuinely Atheist though.
I get the feeling some would like me to be a figurehead for a Marxist revival, and accept some kind of Spinozism to bolster it on the religious side.
Marx seems to have prayed to black tapers in his room and by a chance a maidservant opened it, many testimonies, Wurmbrandt analysed them as he was Satanist. He certainly had a period of flirting with Satanism, I cannot say for sure Wurmbrandt was wrong. And whichever be the case, he was Satanic.
46:58 I remember Rosengård, being already pro-Palestinian, I was somewhat courted by Palestinian refugees, including very religious ones.
I recall a Christian Palestinian, redhaired, and I went to exactly one lecture. I don't know if he got back, I didn't.
He went out, probably visibly to all, when the lecturer attacked the theory of Evolution.
I stayed.
Next topic, embryology. Citation from the Quran, affirmation that this is supported by scientific embryology. I go out. Presumably pretty visibly too.
1:03:58 Dawkins pronouncing judgement on himself?
Reminds me of a Catholic priest who died, was judged to Hell, and Mary intervened before Jesus telling Him to give him another chance.
The priest was quite ready to accept being damned, because he knew Jesus was right. (It was about putting off the confession and amendment of some mortal sins he knew himself to be such).
Some who pronounce judgement on themselves don't remain judged, being the moral of the story.
MIGHT I suggest you pray a Hail Mary for Dawkins' conversion?
- Yesica1993
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- Mary? She's dead. She is not intervening for anyone. Christians do not pray to Mary, ask her to pray for us, or worship her in ANY way.
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
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- @Yesica1993 That's not what the tradition of the Church says.
Even from OT times, I'll start with the life of Jesus, prior to Crucifixion:
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
[Matthew 22:32]
After this there appeared also another man, admirable for age, and glory, and environed with great beauty and majesty Then Onias answering, said: This is a lover of his brethren, and of the people of Israel: this is he that prayeth much for the people, and for all the holy city, Jeremias the prophet of God
[2 Machabees 15:13-14]
Plus the Church says Our Lady was taken up, body and soul. That's what we celebrate 15 August.
- Yesica1993
- @hglundahl Christians are to follow what the Bible teaches, not what the Catholic Church teaches.
@hglundahl Plucking verses here and there is not the way we should read any book, much less the Bible.
"Plus the Church says Our Lady was taken up, body and soul. That's what we celebrate 15 August."
The Bible teaches NO such thing. Cease your idolatry. You will give account to Jesus Christ one day. Mary will not be able to help you then.
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @Yesica1993 On the contrary, it is Mary who will definitely help those who are saved.
Did you know She called Herself "Blessed" matching two women of the OT and was called "Blessed Among Women" matching two other ones?
One of the OT blessed women was Abigail, whom David - note, Jesus is Davidic King - called blessed because she averted him from killing an Israelite.
The Bible also teaches to follow what the Catholic Church teaches:
And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
[Matthew 18:17]
Or do you propose another Church with unbroken, visible continuity since AD 33?
- she didn't
- answer about the continuity of the Church, perhaps a case of Seymore syndrome (not hitting the "See More" button).
- Yesica1993
- @hglundahl
"On the contrary, it is Mary who will definitely help those who are saved."
The Bible teaches no such thing. There is ONE mediator between God and man, and that is Jesus Christ. (1 Timothy 2:1-7)
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @Yesica1993 And apart from the typology of Abigail, when Jesus turned water into wine, it was Mary who mediated between the hosts of the wedding and Jesus.
It's about as easy as turning a sinner into a saint.
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