Mitis et humilis corde, month

Jesus, meek and humble of heart, make my heart like unto Thine.

This is what Catholics do in June. Fr. Ripperger gets that right.

God’s TRUE REASON for the Great Flood: GAY MARRIAGE?
Adrian Milag TV | 20 June 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48D5M94eevQ

1:04 Not every man who suffers from same sex attraction is in error about the sinfulness of living out that attraction.

I have a friend, artist, Catholic, self identifies as chaste homosexual, and, well, he states that he has that particular temptation to fight, but he's fighting it.

bosco alinaitwe

@user-zk3me4gs6p

Sin and Chaste cannot live together come on!

Brosephina

@joea.9969

Just like bot everyone with alcoholic tendencies is committing sin, when you give in and get drunk all the time and do harmful things, thats the sin,

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@hglundahl

@joea.9969 As I mentioned a while ago* to bosco alinaitwe / @user-zk3me4gs6p, resisting temptation can coexist with chastity.

And being alcoholic can exist with sobriety if you never drink.

As you used the pronoun "you" (not sure whether you meant like French "on" or like French "vous" / Spanish "se" or Spanish "Usted"), I might want to clarify, I have never been either an alcoholic nor a homosexual.

* Note:

the comment seems to have disappeared.

Brosephina

@hglundahl ah I meant “ you” as in, you in general/ everyman, not you personally.
I was just agreeing with this comment in my own way

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@joea.9969 Thank you!

pastor brian

@pastorbri

but every homophobic acts out things of their sin

@joea.9969 chosing to abuse booze is not the same as being born LGBT

Brosephina

@pastorbri we all sin in our own way but we should admit its in fact sinful, not celebrate it something to be proud of like an achievement. Some people are proud of being obese or drug addicts thats not a good thing either.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@pastorbri I doubt if ever anyone was born that way, I think it's always a combination involving sth else.

One special case would be people who think they fit their sex stereotypes horribly ill, partly because of how they were born, but crucially because they grow up in a too gendered context.

Romans 1 states "idolatry" and I think the idolatry of Hercules led (even psychologically) to lots of cases of people growing up homosexual.

I think James V of Scotland (or IV? III?), James VI / I of Scotland / England and Charles I had similar levels of inborn androgynity, but the Medieval, in the least gendered society was hetero, the Calvinist upbrought was predominantly homo, the High Church Anglican was bi, probably predominantly hetero.

3:04 "we have to help people overcome these issues"

Fine, so far.

Distinguo, however.

• when they admit to being homosexual, to actively pursuing it, there are some things you can do to block out their message; you don't just do that because you presume someone is homosexual, not even if a shrink will tell you "sure he is" ...
• and also, the help to different homosexuals (once they agree they are such a thing) may be different, like some guys of that persuasion just need to meet the right girl (who might be lesbian) ... this is what happened with my country-man Svante Pääbo. He's married, and I mean it as in validly, and both he and his wife thought they were exclusively homosexual before they met each other. No specific therapy and no time of chastity needed.

6:43 "asking for their healing and the grace to live chaste lives"

Please reserve that to people who have admitted to being homosexual, and have stated they are not trying to get a normal marriage, if as much. Some of them should probably meet someone of the opposite sex.

If someone who has on the contrary stated being heterosexual, and has stated seeking marriage, is simply suspected of being homosexual, and you pray that prayer, and also socially machinate to keep such a someone celibate, and perhaps poor so he's forced to be celibate, then you are the guys fulfilling "forbidding to marry" ... we know I Tim 4:3 Forbidding to marry, to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving by the faithful, and by them that have known the truth. ... cannot refer to a general ban on marriage, since the times before Harmageddon will be strikingly like those before the Flood. Matthew 28:37—39 And as in the days of Noe, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, even till that day in which Noe entered into the ark, And they knew not till the flood came, and took them all away; so also shall the coming of the Son of man be.

So, I Tim 4:3 must refer to forbidding specific people (who have not volunteered for it) to marry.

That said, I think Our Lord used coded language. Vampyrism, cannibalism, gay marriage, forced perversion "marriages" ... but Our Lord probably didn't want to use so crude words.

8:12 "the Church has always encouraged for people struggling with this particular issue"

Since the time of Paul VI?

In 1568, St. Pius V actually did mention a category of homosexuals who had to live chastely in solitude, but that's about people kicked out of priesthood or subdiaconate or monasteries, after they were already obliged to abstain from marriage.

I do not think there is any rule forbidding the Svante Pääbo solution. From before Paul VI, or Anti-Pope Montini, that is. If there is, bring forth the evidence. The phrase "homosexuals are called to live chaste lives" occurs first time over in his public writings. Rephrase it "a sodomite repenting must do penance in abstaining from attempting marriage" and try to find support from that prior to 61 years ago. If you can.

And I obviously mean from Rome, not from Pobodonostsev, even if I think there were reasons to excommunicate Leo Tolstoy. We are not bound by the customs of the Russian Orthodox, since they are in Schism.

9:57 That some Catholic psychologists exist who do a good job is entirely possible.

But there are also psychologists who look for signs of evils that aren't there, and some of them might be of the Catholic profession.

If you are praying for someone to find a psychologist rather than a wife, given he's male, obviously, you would possibly be doing a I Tim 4:3 thing. Especially as constantly misconstruing someone the way that shrinks do take some of the attitude described in previous verse.