Are Muslims Talmudic?

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The Talmudic Dilemma: How Jewish Folklore Shaped the Quran
Defending A Lion | 25 April 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PuRmgN7DU4

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in Surah 5:32, it says, "We ordained for the children of Israel." So this is law given by Allah to the Jews. And then it quotes Sanhedrin. It quotes the Talmud. So it says like, hey, this is in our scriptures that we gave to the Jews. And it's quoting something from the Talmud. ... So right away the author of the Quran seems to be mixing up the Torah and the Tallmud with its references. It doesn't seem to fully know the distinguishing difference between actual Torah and the oral Torah the Jews were practicing, preaching, and believing in at the time of Muhammad.

An excellent example of what can happen to someone who verifies things primarily by talking to people.

The Jews that the author of the Quran talked to would not all the time make a distiction between Torah and Talmud, and they even have a tendency to call all of it Torah.

Ergo, the author of the Quran would have heard sth presented as "Torah" and have presumed it was actually in the Pentateuch./HGL

PS, the following item actually is pre-talmudic, I left a comment under the video:

"Abraham conversion by looking at stars, stolen from the Jews."

Could be an actual tradition before Jesus, could go back to Abraham.

Why so? It's already in Josephus. Antiquities, Book I, Chapter 7, first paragraph, reads:

Now Abram, having no son of his own, adopted Lot, his brother Haran's son, and his wife Sarai's brother; and he left the land of Chaldea when he was seventy-five years old, and at the command of God went into Canaan, and therein he dwelt himself, and left it to his posterity. He was a person of great sagacity, both for understanding all things and persuading his hearers, and not mistaken in his opinions; for which reason he began to have higher notions of virtue than others had, and he determined to renew and to change the opinion all men happened then to have concerning God; for he was the first that ventured to publish this notion, That there was but one God, the Creator of the universe; and that, as to other [gods], if they contributed any thing to the happiness of men, that each of them afforded it only according to his appointment, and not by their own power. This his opinion was derived from the irregular phenomena that were visible both at land and sea, as well as those that happen to the sun, and moon, and all the heavenly bodies, thus:—"If [said he] these bodies had power of their own, they would certainly take care of their own regular motions; but since they do not preserve such regularity, they make it plain, that in so far as they co-operate to our advantage, they do it not of their own abilities, but as they are subservient to Him that commands them, to whom alone we ought justly to offer our honor and thanksgiving." For which doctrines, when the Chaldeans, and other people of Mesopotamia, raised a tumult against him, he thought fit to leave that country; and at the command and by the assistance of God, he came and lived in the land of Canaan. And when he was there settled, he built an altar, and performed a sacrifice to God.

Whether it is or isn't Abraham's motif, though I think he had an education as a faithful, from someone in his family, like Sarug lived to when he was fifty (at least in the LXX, except a modern edition) and Thare could have been dying spiritually, i e become an idolater, only when he was 75, the fact it is in Josephus is supporting evidence on this being a current understanding in 1st C Jews, which would mean St. Paul alluded to this (understanding, not necessarily story about Abraham) in Romans 1.