Millions of "Christians" Go to Hell Over THIS
25th Oct. 2020 | Sid Roth's It's Supernatural!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsZCouCzT0U
5:27 Thank you very much for rejecting sola gratia as to the Christian life!
16:38 sth ... I noted, picture animations showed earth rotating around its own axis. It doesn't do that.
B U T Ivan Tuttle never actually said that, that was just your art work. Or was it?
- Joe Knight
- Maybe you need to go back to school
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @Joe Knight Why exactly so?
I have not forgotten Heliocentrism any more than millions of years, billions of years. I just don't believe it.
- Joe Knight
- @Hans-Georg Lundahl Earth spins on its axis once in every 24-hour day. At Earth's equator, the speed of Earth's spin is about 1,000 miles per hour (1,600 km per hour). ... It's because you and everything else – including Earth's oceans and atmosphere – are spinning along with the Earth at the same constant speed.
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @Joe Knight Or all of this is wrong, and earth does not spin, but the aether spins around it, drawing stars, Sun, Moon, planets along.
Where is your proof?
Mine is double: senses and the Bible (esp. Joshua 10).
A minor quibble, the spin is each 23 hours, 56 minutes, 4 seconds.
- Joe Knight
- @Hans-Georg Lundahl Yes. God told them the sun stood still. Those people knew nothing about astronomy as far as really what makes the seasons, what makes a year or what makes a day. To them the sun was moving. God didn't take days to explain it all to them . If he had they probably would not have understood
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @Joe Knight
- 1) God knew this was coming about and for 40 years hadn't explained astronomy;
- 2) "they probably would not have understood" when they were able to understand very intricate kashrut rules?
- 3) and nowhere does it say "God told them the sun stood still", if it had, it would make your case even worse, since you are saying God would have lied to avoid explaining something complicated.
God indirectly showed that Joshua hadn't got it wrong by showing the Sun standing still, after Joshua had ordered it to do so.
Your position makes God kind of a liar.
@Joe Knight "as far as really what makes the seasons, what makes a year or what makes a day."
Apart from what moves and what stands still, the geocentric explanation, which is directly observable, is identic to the the heliocentric one.
"Earth turns around its axis"? Sun turns around Earth's axis.
"Earth goes in an orbit around the Sun with inclined axis"? Sun changes its orbit around Earth passing equator plane every vernal and autumnal equinox.
- Joe Knight
- @Hans-Georg Lundahl Can you read?
12Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
13And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @Joe Knight You are the one claiming "God told them" the Sun stood still.
As I read the passage, they saw Joshua praying, they then heard him say "Sun, stand thou still etc)" and they then saw the Sun standing still.
It was immediately noted in the book of Jasher and later on replicated in the book of Joshua, while Joshua was still alive.
But even so, the fact that a miracle is worked immediately on the words of someone working the miracle (Joshua) means God entirely approves the words by which the miracle is worked. Now, Joshua did not say "earth, cease turning" but "Sun, stand thou still", so, if God is honest (which He is), the normal course of things involves Sun going around the Earth.
- Joe Knight
- @Hans-Georg Lundahl Are you also flat earth? I started to send you the videos from Dish Tv a few years ago. They mounted two live camerS on one of the satellites in a geosynchronous orbit about 22,000 mile above the equator. They kept this going 24/7 you can clearly see the Earth's rotation on it's axis. some people recorded it for 24 hours the played it back a a faster speed. You can believe whstever you want but it's completely ridiculous for you are anyone else to deny the facts
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @Joe Knight "Are you also flat earth?"
No. Why?
"I started to send you the videos from Dish Tv a few years ago."
You sending me videos, by suggesting? How do you send someone a suggestion via youtube?
Btw, how many did you send?
"They mounted two live camerS on one of the satellites in a geosynchronous orbit about 22,000 mile above the equator."
OK ...
"They kept this going 24/7 you can clearly see the Earth's rotation on it's axis. some people recorded it for 24 hours the played it back a a faster speed. You can believe whstever you want but it's completely ridiculous for you are anyone else to deny the facts"
It can't have been geosynchronous, then. A geosynchronous satellite stays above one spot on earth. But the fact is, what one can clearly see from space, it's seen from a moving pov, if Geocentrism is right. 7 billions of pairs of eyes see Sun and Moon move around us, it can be dismissed bc if Heliocentrism is right, it would look the same. But one or two or even 100's of pieces of expensive machinery are sent up, and just because they are expensive, one must take that view on face value, even if it would look exactly the same if Geocentrism is true.
@Joe Knight Btw, I thought geosynchronous meant geostationary, when it's really more like SOHO.
Sorry, you would certainly be right about the pictures taken from a geosynchronous orbit ... except, a heliocentric would consider it heliosynchronous, meaning it goes around earth synchronously with the sun. My argument still stands.
- Joe Knight
- @Hans-Georg Lundahl Whatever it's called the satellites stay exactly over the same point on the earth traveling with it. I don't see how anyone could be silly enough the deny the earth spins on it's axis like a globe
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @Joe Knight Oh, you now describe geostationary ones instead ... like certain media satellites or meteorological ones, I would suppose. These couldn't show the earth spinning as, on your view, they would "spin with it".
Now, "spins on its axis" and "like a globe" are two different propositions. I don't deny earth is a globe.
However, if you go around a tower in a chopper, you can see the tower spin around its axis. I'd say it's the chopper that's spinning around the tower, and I'd equally say it's the geosynchronous thing (SOHO or other) that, being actually heliosynchronous, spins on a daily basis around earth. Have you forgotten the very first lesson we were given about heliocentrism? "If earth is spinning, it will look as if things spin around us". For exact same reason, if earth is not spinning, but SOHO or other geosynchrounous satellite or orbitting object is spinning around earth, pictures taken from there will look as if earth spins.
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