Wednesday, November 22, 2023

Like Matt Fradd and David Wood, I prefer Muslims over Mohammed, but St. Thomas Aquinas over both


I also prefer Mormons over Joseph Smith.

Muhammad Was a FALSE Prophet w/ David Wood | Pints with Aquinas Episode #214
Pints With Aquinas, 13 July 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEA5VQ-vBIw


6:00 Oh the cringe when I saw a Greek Orthodox parish sharing the type of things you are speaking of ...

13:55 I don't think the Saddam Hussein pictures are all that weird.

He was Baath party. That means Arabic or similar secularists.

Now, how it went in Iraq was, he was heavily supported by his own clan, he was heavily suppressing some other clans, among the Muslims, and he was a protector of Christians against Muslim persecutions.

In the Syrian war, French Catholics were somewhat divided on whether they should support the Rojava militia (Kurds, somewhat anarchist) or the Syrian government, Bashir al Assad, another Baath partist. BOTH were fighting ISIS / Daesh. Some conservative Catholics over here (basically all who were more pro-Putin then than now) were pretty cool with Bashir.

So, that Muslim was probably associating you with Saddam Hussein's protégés ... which is the status Christians de facto had before the Iraq war.

16:46 Satanism also teaches other true things, namely that virginity and the moment of death are highly important.

You know that Gaelic first millennium monk who wrote a kind of lorica type of prayer which is now a hymn highly popular among Evangelicals?

Be thou my vision.

Now one of the lines is :

High King of Heaven, my victory won,
May I reach Heaven's joys, O bright Heav’n's Sun!


"My victory" being in this case the victory I win in the hour of death (if I do so, the monk was obviously praying for the free gift of final perseverence, rather than presuming he already had it as an elect), and Satanists also believe the hour of death is an hour when you can win a high victory.

That's presumably more common among them than believing Satan exists, LaVeyans typically either don't believe that or at least don't admit to believing that.

Theistic Satanists, on the other hand, would primarily honour "the great goddess" and then consider "the horned god" as her plaything. BUT they would still look down on Wiccans as immature Fluff Bunnies. I left the site Helgon net over a believer in that stuff becoming the owner and over another member pronouncing a kind of hex "you won't marry and have children" ... sth which Catholics have been helping him out with since.

22:10 Was he even saying that himself?

I thought he was manipulating others to ask "can you make any similarily beautiful words?" and then gas on about the "beauty" of his rhymed prose (I think the form is ...) ...

If the ones taking up the challenge agreed in content, they were told, "you are a Muslim, now you have to join us" and if they didn't they were told "nah, you don't write that well" (like it seems some guys on the Trad spectrum are excusing themselves from not giving me a platform to champion young earth creationism, some pretending my French is too bad ...)

28:44 It's not just a kind of parody of Muhammed.

It's also a pretty directly accurate version of who Odin seems to have been.

Go to the parts of the Talmud that speak of the early parts of the biography of Yeshu. I think that man existed, obviously was NOT Jesus the Christ, and actually did found an idolatrous sect, where he presented himself as creator god pretending to have in his youth created the world with his two brothers from the carcass of a slain monster (in the last century BC, Sumerian still existed as a Classic language, and Akkadian survived a century longer into first c. AD, confer how Enlil slew Tiamat).

To them there are different versions of Paradise, depending on what kind of merit brought you there. Valhalla is the most famous. Each night a pig is slaughtered, eaten, bones thrown back into the pot, each morning the pig is alive again.

At day time they would fight, and their wounds would get healed at night. But there is a difference to the Muslim version : this fighting spirit is actually going to be used, when the gods fight their last battle. When the giants rebel, Odin will be killed and those who lived like this in paradise will be killed with him, hopefully killing lots of giants before going down.

The other two versions of paradise are for faithful couples (the hall of Freya), and the one couple that is going to repeople earth (under returned Baldr, copied from Osiris), once Einherjar and Giants, Gods and Giants, have killed each other.

Two points converge to why Odin would have been a Hebrew (like Yeshu) rather than a Druid.

  • a) Odin like the disciple of Joshua Ben Pekharia are lechers, have a hard time looking away from pretty women
  • b) lots of the Norse stuff is known, and it corresponds very perfectly to what's known from ancient Israel.
    • 1) apocalyptic literature in the land itself
    • 2) Babylonian gods and myths in the North and East
    • 3) Egyptian gods and myths in the South and West.


Accessory evidence to this:
  • c) Odin's most famous poem Havamal is pretty much a rehash of Qoheleth, and the Old Norse most famous stanzas are retranslated to what's also metric in Proto-Norse (a different language!) which is what would have been spoken when Odin arrived
  • d) Thor is called Iorthar Son -- in Norse it is "son of earth" but this can be a mistranslation of "son of the land" (since in Hebrew like Latin, "land" and "earth" are the same) -- which is a more reasonable explanation given that Norse myths don't seem to have any earth goddess (to be fair to the other side, Nerthus could have been one, when she was worshipped in the days of Tacitus).


33:07 Muhammed here is so close to at least what Catholic sources say about the Reformers Luther and Calvin.

Protestant sources include Calvin's excuse being cessationism, that's in his comment on the Markan Great Commission.

34:02 The Night Journey, a vision in his bed ...

Sounds like the Hindoo proof that Krishna was a god or basically even "God" -- a poet saw this in a dream after Krishna's corpse was devoured on a bon fire and four of his wives had killed themselves on that bonfire.

37:02 "Muslims set themselves up as judges in the contest" ... have we seen something similar lately, when Evolution believers tell Creationists "you write to peer reviewed papers", then control the papers, like Nature or National Geographic, then reject the Creationist contributions and then say that Creationist aren't good enough as scientists to get published in peer reviewed papers.

And when some Creationists make peer reviewed papers of their own they state "ah, no, that's just a creationist source motivated by religion more than by evidence ..."

49:06 I think the Irish have a far better and shorter take on that "chapter" or its basic idea, between Irish Catholics and Irish Protestants.

You worship God as you want, I'll worship Him as He wants.

50:22 An immediate question to this one, that Christian priest who became a follower of Mohammed, the one responsible for a lot of Islam Apocalyptic prophecy, when did he become a follower of Muhammed?

[In reference to St. Thomas Aq. saying no one trained in sacred things was along Mohammed before he became a robber.]

58:06 I'm reminded of how German Protestants (the majority, the guys who were saying "Lutheran / Calvinist, big deal, let's unite") were using the victories of Gustavus Adolphus and Swedish Protestants too, to prove God was blessing Protestantism and the Spanish American war probably some guys were telling the story that God was rebuking Spain for the Inquisition and more generally the "Popish Superstition" ... Chesterton had a comment on that one ...

1:08:58 Excuse me, but do you know Catholics who think all I have to do in this life is reaching out, and if Muslims or Protestants don't convert to Catholicism on reading me and speaking to me, my writings are no good?

I have an own soul to save too, you know.

1:10:57 I am a Swede.

Back when I was a child and teen, the Left was very much not yet ashamed of homophobia, it terrorised me in school by homosexual accusations against me.

So, that issue was back then not an issue. Muslim immigrants were far fewer, and more likely to abide by feminism than they are now.

  • 1) Islam was Enlightened to them, because it doesn't mix "one God and creator" (even Voltaire would have said that) up with "shady stuff" like Trinity or Incarnation, or proof by Miracles or even any clear stance among any of them for Young Earth Creationism. Islam has a timeline in the Seera or Hadiths, that is incompatible, like Mohammed being 40th generation from Adam, it's even shorter than the Catholic YEC timeline of the Christmas Proclamation (trad version!), but nothing in the Coran itself, so their leaders would tone that down.
  • 2) Islam is also more Virtuous in a Kantian and Puritan sense than Catholicism to them. I mean, it forbids wine. (Most immigrants don't have multiple wives, and they mostly adapt to Swedish regulations on marital age, which are too high).
  • 3) On top of that, Islam is Egalitarian.


Jan Guillou is a Swedish journalist, he described our then PM, Gunnar Persson, as a Liberal Muslim. While the man was a member of the State Church, he didn't believe the Trinity and didn't believe Jesus was God.

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