Ark Related Question

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Where did Noah's ark land after the floods?
https://www.quora.com/Where-did-Noahs-ark-land-after-the-floods/answer/Helge-K%C3%A5re-Fauskanger

Helge Kåre Fauskanger

Skeptic

5 years ago

The story of Noah and the flood is a myth and a physical impossibility in a whole string of ways. There is literally not enough water on the planet to cover the highest mountains; a wooden vessel of the size described is simply not practical and would fall apart; yet even it is far too small to contain breeding pairs of all species; if by some miracle one managed to cram them in after all, eight people could not possibly care for such an enormous zoo for a full year.

Irrespective of all that, what mountain does the imaginary story point to as the resting-place of the ark?

The story says “the mountains of Ararat” (Genesis 8:4). Many modern readers will take this as a “city of New York”-like construction, thinking that “the mountains of Ararat” are a group of mountains specifically called “Ararat”. The Ararat Mountains, if you like.

However, “Ararat” is understood to be a Hebrew pronunciation of Urartu, a vast region roughly corresponding to what we now know as Armenia. The Latin Vulgate translation does not use the word Ararat, but translates the whole phrase so that the ark came to rest in “the mountains of Armenia”. This is probably more in accord with the original intention of the text.

Elsewhere in the Bible, Ararat is shown to be a land or region. Isaiah 37:38 refers to “the land of Ararat”, not the mountain of Ararat.

So the Genesis writers likely just meant that the ark ended up somewhere in the vast, mountainous region of Armenia, with no attempt being made to identify any specific peak.

Of course, some would try to figure out the exact location, and perhaps inevitably, popular imagination went for the highest and most impressive mountain, the twin peaks of Massis. Eventually the name “Ararat”, no longer used of the entire region, came to be applied to Massis more specifically. But we have no good reason to think that the Genesis writers particularly had Massis in mind.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

3 years ago

“There is literally not enough water on the planet to cover the highest mountains;”

Modern mountain heights are post-Flood.

“a wooden vessel of the size described is simply not practical and would fall apart;”

Not if well built, proportions do for a long rolling period, great stability.

“yet even it is far too small to contain breeding pairs of all species;”

Who’s speaking of Linnean species?

27.XI.2023

Horst H. von Brand

The largest wooden ship ever built (by experienced shipbuilders, with 1900s materials and techniques, quite a bit smaller than the ark described in the bible) had to run pumps 24/7 as it leaked like a sieve, and broke apart and sunk in not-so-stormy weather. The weather during the flood would have been much worse than the worst hurricane recorded, ever.

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Hans-Georg Lundahl

“broke apart and sunk in not-so-stormy weather.”

I take it, it was a) a ship, b) sailing, and therefore c) cutting across waves.

The Ark was a) a box, b) had no sails or oars, and therefore c) was not cutting across waves.

Furthermore the ship you speak of was made to have elasticity for ease of cutting waves and propelling through water. The Ark was built simply not to sink.

“The weather during the flood would have been much worse than the worst hurricane recorded, ever.”

To the coastlines below the mountain where the Ark was waiting for the water? Sure.

Once water is very deep, waves get very long wavelengths (I think the waves have a radius that is or can go down on the sea floor or sth), which means that waves, including even tsunami waves are not even noticed by those out on the Ocean — the exact description of what happened to the Ark between take-off and getting basically stranded on one of the mountains of Ararat (i e of Urartu / Armenia, not necessarily anything about “Greater Ararat” or “Lesser Ararat” which are however also in the Armenian mountain range.).

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Hans-Georg Lundahl

I think you speak of the Wyoming:

Wyoming (schooner) - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyoming_(schooner)

// 1924 – 11 March. In order to ride out a nor'easter, it anchored off Chatham, Massachusetts, in the Nantucket Sound, together with the five-masted schooner Cora F. Cressey which had left Norfolk at the same time as Wyoming. Captain H. Publicover on the Cora F. Cressey weighed anchor at dusk and stood out to sea. Wyoming is believed to have foundered east of the Pollock Rip Lightship and the crew of 14 was lost //

In the Nantucket Sound …

The wiki gave no depth for it, but here is what I found elsewhere:

// Nantucket Sound is a typical "flow through" coastal system, openning to the Gulf of Maine (GoM) to the east, Vineyard Sound (VS) to the west, and the inner new England Shelf to the south. The water is very shallow in the Sound, with a mean depth of ~9 m. //

U Mass Research projects: Nantucket Sound
http://fvcom.smast.umassd.edu/research_projects/Nsound/

The conditions comparable to 9 m depth are c. 1 km of water above normal ground level? Don’t think so.