Jubilee Fascist FIRED After Debate With Mehdi Hasan | The Kyle Kulinski Show
Secular Talk | 23 July 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNFnaAMHblg
1) "I hate minorities" - does not follow from Fascist
"I hate people who aren't like me" - does not follow from Fascist
"I love authoritarian rule" - selectively does follow from Fascist [Mussolini wasn't fond of the Soviet Cheka]
2) Mehdi very far from "catches" him by confusing a Fascist with a Nazi.
You know the kind of Americans who confuse Sweden, Switzerland and Norway (and get slapped by Batman if they are the Boy Wonder)? Well, Mehdi confusing Fascist with Nazi is basically showing off a similar ignorance of politics of the 20's and 30's and into the 40's ...
3) Fascists and Nazis have some common enemies, and while I have other reasons to object a bit more to the Nazi label, I can definitely see how a honest Fascist who was NOT a Nazi could get jaded about the label.
Franco and Mussolini didn't persecute Jews while holding the positions they came to power in (Mussolini eventually did so as a puppet régime, other story).
For someone identifying as supporter of Franco, the question of what Nazis did to Jews is not an appropriate objection. The régimes are not the same and did not do the same things. In fact, from the Embassy of Budapest, Franco's Spain competed with Gustaf V's Sweden in saving Jews from camps. And the two diplomats (one of them originating in Italy) were actually veterans from the war overthrowing a sad and ultraviolent ghost of a Spanish democracy that didn't actually exist. Look up Ángel Sanz Briz and Giorgio Perlasca (in the Embassy Jorge Perlasca).
4) You may not have noticed, but Nazis actually exist, and they are often enough not Trump supporters.
Swedish actual Nazis (whom I occasionally look up, and mostly respect as persons, especially some of the ladies) have time after time stated they are against Trump. No Nazi would have volunteered to be one of the 20.
5) How about stigmatising Hitler with Lenin?
He was a part time Leninist in the Soviet of Munich, but he was never either Squadrista or other kind of member of the Italian Fascist party.
In Hendaye, Franco thanked Hitler for the help, but refused to help him out in WW-II.
6) "your ideology is based on 'I want to either kill or expel anyone who isn't like me' "
When did that become the Definition of Fascism?
Piazza San Sepolcro on 23 March 1919?
National Fascist Party programme from 9 Nov 1921?
Cite the sources, not the Commie rumours!
7) For the record, unlike Connor Estelle, Trump never called himself a Fascist.
He's too anti-syndical, I'd say, to qualify as one.
8) As you mentioned Guantanamo Bay:
As of January 2025, at least 780 people from 48 countries have been detained at the camp since its creation, of whom 756 had been released or transferred to other detention facilities, nine died in custody, and 15 remain.
2022 Biden had more prisoners there, than Trump has currently. 40 down to 38 vs 15.
9) One point about free speech is, it is free even for those who don't believe in it.
You seem to believe in "freedom retaliations" and on top of that pretending you know better than the concerned themselves what freedoms they are against.
Btw, retaliations against heterosexuality for those who are against homosexuality is disproportional. Heterosexuality serves a clear purpose, especially if condoms, pills and abortions are forbidden.
Your passion for "freedom retaliations" isn't liberal either. Gladstone would have loathed your attitude, possibly even d'Israeli.
You know why the Spanish Republic died a very violent death? Because people who believed in "freedom retaliations" were terrorising people they didn't agree with. Franco made his pronunciamento with Sanxurxo and Mola over the killing of Calvo Sotelo. Some people in Italy thought a régime should fall because Matteotti had been killed. So, some people in Spain thought a régime should fall because Sotelo had been killed. Those in Spain took action. And leading up to the Sotelo murder, lots of anti-Church violence as well.
10) Mehdi seems to have decided to confuse Fascists and Nazis ... like Sweden is where they make good chocolate and watches, right? (Oh, Switzerland) And where icebears walk in the streets of the capital? (Oh, an Arctic province of Norway, either Svalbard or Jan Mayen).
11) 1936 to 1980 in Spain, more like it.
Just to clarify, Madrid and Berlin are 1895 km apart as the bird flies.
Or if you want hardcore supporters of the right wingers (if you even call the 1919 Munich Leninist that), Burgos and Königsberg (now Kaliningrad) 1671 km.
Ottawa to DC are just 734,23 km by bird flight, and there is only one frontier between them (wait, don't tell me that's the stretch where the frontier folds?)
Berlin to Madrid you minimally cross two borders. Like between Mexico City and Ottawa, even though the distance in space is longer there, 3615 km, as the bird flies. On the other hand, language barriers are more numerous from Berlin to Madrid: German to French, French to Spanish.
Canadian League of Rights doesn't equal Mexican Fascist Party. Canadian Aryan Guard doesn't equal Mexican Cristeros.
"1940's in Germany" ... the usual appropriate comment on the quote is unfortunately impolite.
12) You know, you can invoke free speech as the law even if it's not your actual value.
It certainly isn't yours, since you are in the logic of political "freedoms retaliation"
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- @stuffynosepatrol
- Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. You are not entitled to your job no matter what you say or how you might impact the company's image.
This is like saying "this is infringing on my free speech!" When people dont want to hang out with you because of your beliefs.
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- @stuffynosepatrol You are deflecting from the topic of my comment.
Mr. Kyle Kulinski did make a point about "consequences" too, and, that's a broad category. I commented on that one too.
You are basically using it as a euphemism for reprisals. Kulinski made an appeal for "consequences" to basically always follow.
In other words, for making "self regulation" work with mandatory but non-government sanctions. In other words, for introducing a parallel police.
Now, if a Black person at the same company choses another table, I think that could be bearable for Mr. Estelle. But it seems, on the one hand he was doing a decent work at his job, on the other he didn't mention it while on Jubilee. In other words, the only way in which he could "taint" the image would be if someone recognised him at work and called out "hey, you called yourself a fascist!!"
Sth which McCarthy thought appropriate about Communists. However, Connor Estelle expressed sympathies mainly with Francisco Franco, not directly McCarthy. And while Franco did try to get lots of people more than needed punished legally for Communism (it was an actual offense, like National Socialism is in Germany today), when he couldn't get someone in prison, he didn't bother to kick him out of his job ... as far as I know. I could obviously be underinformed.
No, someone has overreacted. There are two dimensions to this. The Constitutional right to say what he said, and the Syndical right to not be punished by sacking for saying legal things. As Fascists are a kind of Syndicalists you can't expect him to just ignore this aspect.
Part of the overreaction consists in confusing two different ideologies, one of which he has said did bad things, and another one to which he said he adherred. Just because some American syndicalists nicknamed thugs hired by corporations to shoot on reposing workers "Fascist" doesn't mean they have a right to expect everyone to accept their identification of Franco with that.
13) "Consequences" seems to be a very favourite word for people who want to punish without an actual law supporting a legal sentence of punishment.
Nulla poena sine lege ... "ah, but it doesn't say 'nulla consequentia' "
You simply don't believe in freedom under the law for those who do not break the law.
14) Why would Hispanic people object to a man supporting one of the greatest men of Spain who was also a friend of Juan Perón?
I do get it some Black people are about as ill educated as you about 1930's European politics (or the Boy-Wonder about European Geography). But they could just theoretically start with asking and let him explain, right?
Case in point, believing that Kenosha was built by slave labour or that a Somalian equals an Afro-American.
15) The worst thing Francoists did to Homosexuals was abuse Psychiatry against people who hadn't committed the crime of Sodomy.
And Carlists stood up against that.
In the US, Sodomy is not a crime and Homosexuality is not on DSMH-V. So, what exactly is a Franco supporter supposed to be threatening them with?
The man called himself a Fascist, not specifically a Squadrista. And those were dealing with Red Shirts, not Gays. In fact, in 1922, Italy embarked on pathologising homosexuality, so, punishing as "treatment" whether one had committed something or not. The perpetrator was medicine, according to sources like Mario Galzigna, Gabriella Romano and Paola Castellan not the Black-Shirts ...
16) What if someone stated that YOUR ideology of for instance "freedoms retaliations" (you would like to limit a freedom for others, so we actually limit a freedom for you, outside the law) is violent by nature?
Ah, wait, you are your own media producer ... perhaps a practical tip for Mr. Estelle.
17) "you cannot be tolerant of intolerance"
As in "freedoms retaliations" ... I've heard that Masonic agenda in Sweden and in France, from time to time.
Both countries are now dealing with severe violence because "intolerance" used to be unacceptable.
I wouldn't quite say the violence in US is the same thing, but it could become so.
18) "this derpy loser"
Some people have tried to describe Fascism as a personality type (intolerance of losers ...) ... wonder what that makes you.
As a Fascist or perhaps just perhaps ex-Fascist (looking into police violence in Italy those years), but even then for Fascists I respect, I would not like to have a hatemonger like you on the same list as myself.
19) On the side of not calling me Fascist any more, Mussolini recognised Jabotinsky as one ...
20) That woman defied a bully with a camera by using the N word.
You recall the clip? You hear the guy shout at hear or nearly, and ask aggressively "what did you call him?!!!"
The Somali boy had snatched another child's toy. The child's mother stood up for her child, and somehow that's a crime because in the heat of it she blurted out a racist prejudice.
Which in Minnesota was never involved in actual oppression of Blacks on a large scale anyway.
21) Yes, it seems you are about as sick of Fascists as certain Trumpists are of illegal immigrants.
Or of Racists, which, may I remind you, is not the same thing.
No, Trump, Leavitt, and a few more are not Fascists just because they like expelling people in a manner reminding me of some clear non-Fascists I've come across, in some cases Jews. Obviously not at all the same scale.
The expulsion craze seems to have roots in a certain passage of the Talmud.
22) The concentration camps were basically a Nazi thing. [And a Commie thing, and an English thing in the Boer war]
Until (very much smaller scale) Mussolini took a cue of a puppet master after 1943.
Not sth to accuse a Fascist of. Sending opponents to small villages on the countryside or Liparic islands was probably overdone, but it's a very far cry from Alligator Camp.
23) OK, see your tactics.
You can't get Trump out of office. But you can go after a Trump supporter who might have more reservations than most, if his praise of Franco isn't lip service.
I don't like what Trump is doing to Latinos for red tape slips.
I also don't like what you would be doing to White's for not being politically correct.
24) I have so far not come across documentation of Connor Estelle praising Hitler. I tend to praise him as a painter ... he should have remained a painter.
I didn't see Connor go even that far ...
25) Might watch your video about Palestine, but certainly didn't subscribe, and actually gave you some dislike (one account = one thumb down) ...
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