Tuesday, February 9, 2021

Catholic vs Protestant, Roman vs Jewish, HRE and Inquisition (on quora)


I
Do you believe that Mary was free of original sin to keep Jesus clean from it as well?
https://www.quora.com/Do-you-believe-that-Mary-was-free-of-original-sin-to-keep-Jesus-clean-from-it-as-well/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Hans-Georg Lundahl
1m ago
Catholicism · Catholic convert, reading many Catechisms
Partly that, but even more so Jesus Who existed before His Mother could do the very best salvation of Her, namely, not just deliver Her from original sin already contracted, but rather deliver Her in advance from even contracting it.

Scriptural proof : “I will put enmities between you and the woman”. Genesis 3:15.

Sin (original or personal) is a kind of slavery under the serpent, and therefore is incompatible with this perfect enmity, which Hebrew designates with the plural “enmities”.

II
Did the Catholic Church burn William Tyndale at the stake? What crime did he commit?
https://www.quora.com/Did-the-Catholic-Church-burn-William-Tyndale-at-the-stake-What-crime-did-he-commit/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Hans-Georg Lundahl
1h ago
Catholicism · Catholic convert, reading many Catechisms
Theories:
  • He translated the Bible to English;
  • He translated “presbyteros” as “elder” instead of “priest” in the Bible;
  • something else.


His Bible, with faults in translation, like those noted and alas defended by Kathleen Neuen, was not the cause of his burning, but of his exile from England;

Once he was taken before the Spanish Inquisition in Netherlands, he was in fact tried and executed for something else, namely, how he interpreted Romans 3.

His Inquisitor Jacobus Latomus had a correspondence with him, and we know from his preserved answers that Romans 3 was the key issue.

EDIT : it is Latomus’ answers to Tyndale that are preserved.

III
What are the central ideas behind Protestant ecclesiology?
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-central-ideas-behind-Protestant-ecclesiology/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Hans-Georg Lundahl
1h ago
Catholicism · Catholic convert, reading many Catechisms
As there are several different Protestant ecclesiologies - already stated by Steve Hayes - there is one common idea, to most if not all Protestantism (notable exceptions Ruckmanites, Mormons, perhaps 7 Day Adventists, but not JWs) that “Reformation is OK”.

This is opposed to the Catholic ecclesial idea that at no point in history, even for 24 hours, the Church can be so sunken that it needs to reform doctrine by denying what it has as present dogma, shared by Ruckmanites, and this is also opposed to the Mormon idea that if it is so sunken, only a revelation, like that to Joseph Smith, can restore the Church.

In other words, this means Protestantism has a blind spot about the implications of Matthew 28:20.

IV
How did the Protestant Reformation affect the Catholic clergy?
https://www.quora.com/How-did-the-Protestant-Reformation-affect-the-Catholic-clergy/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Hans-Georg Lundahl
2h ago
Catholicism · Catholic convert, reading many Catechisms
Depends on country and locality. In some places the Reformation meant death, martyrdom.

Let’s take the Franciscan convent in Ystad, then Danish. The king’s men came to pull down the convent and the prior opposed himself, getting a halberd through the vortex for it, then the other ones left.

V
Was the Holy Roman Empire a democracy?
https://www.quora.com/Was-the-Holy-Roman-Empire-a-democracy/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Hans-Georg Lundahl
22h ago
none/ apprx Masters in Latin (language) & Greek (language), Lund University
No, but it involved local democracies, like cantons of the Swiss type, or cities.

VI
Since the Romans were the authors of the Jewish diaspora, why did the Jews not reestablish their kingdom after the fall of the Western and Eastern Roman Empire?
https://www.quora.com/Since-the-Romans-were-the-authors-of-the-Jewish-diaspora-why-did-the-Jews-not-reestablish-their-kingdom-after-the-fall-of-the-Western-and-Eastern-Roman-Empire/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Hans-Georg Lundahl
23h ago
none/ apprx Masters in Latin (language) & Greek (language), Lund University
The Western and Eastern Empires fell together in World War I.

Just after World War II, the Jews preferred, for some reason, a Republic - at least those invovled in the Herzl movement and in Israeli Founding Fathers.

Andrea Licenzieschi
23h ago
I didn't know WW1 was a Medieval war.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
22h ago
  • 1. When West went down, Roman Empire was kept up by East plus vassals in the West.
  • 2. Charlemagne resumed the RE in the West, and it continued, with some modification as Holy Roman Empire to 1806 and then as Austria and Austria Hungary to WW I.
  • 3. When East fell, for one thing the West was back, and for another, Russia was founded, which also continued to WW I and Russian Revolution.


VII
Is there any truth to the claim that most (if not all) medieval European kingdoms originally developed out of the political structure of the late Roman Empire's local provincial governments ?
https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-truth-to-the-claim-that-most-if-not-all-medieval-European-kingdoms-originally-developed-out-of-the-political-structure-of-the-late-Roman-Empires-local-provincial-governments/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Answer requested by
John Morthonde

Hans-Georg Lundahl
1h ago
none/ apprx Masters in Latin (language) & Greek (language), Lund University
It is fairly correct.

Some simply continued this on Roman ground, some copied it outside what had been Roman ground. Germany did both (Trier was Roman, Magdeburg wasn’t).

King Ina’s laws were basically a shortened version of Codex Iuris Civilis. The diverse laws of Germanic peoples (Salian, Visigothic etc) on Roman territory were usually limited to the aspects where they differed from Roman legislation.

Exceptions were Ireland and Scandinavia, since these had strong prior traditions, and unlike Poland (which also had such) were not overly close to cities in Germany.

VIII
Have you ever considered that Catholicism may be influenced by Paganism?
https://www.quora.com/Have-you-ever-considered-that-Catholicism-may-be-influenced-by-Paganism/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Answer requested by
Barock Caleb

Hans-Georg Lundahl
23h ago
Catholicism · Catholic convert, reading many Catechisms
I have heard it several times over before converting and rejected one claim of that type before another.

Updates
next day:

IX
Isn’t Latin mass forbidden according to 1st Corinthians 14:19?
https://www.quora.com/Isn-t-Latin-mass-forbidden-according-to-1st-Corinthians-14-19/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Answer requested by
Barock Caleb

Hans-Georg Lundahl
21m ago
none/ apprx Masters in Latin (language) & Greek (language), Lund University
But in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may instruct others also; than ten thousand words in a tongue.

Sed in ecclesia volo quinque verba sensu meo loqui, ut et alios instruam : quam decem millia verborum in lingua.

You gave the reference, I gave text according to Douay Rheims and Vulgate.

No, it is definitely not so. Speaking in tongues as here portrayed is a matter of speaking in tongues unknown to both speaker and audience, or most of it.

Latin is not a tongue unknown to the priest and it is, prior to English, one language likely to be internationally understood by laymen of a certain instruction too.

Mass is a sacrifice, and not about instruction. The Gospel reading in Latin is about instruction and must therefore be translated or explained to the language the audience understands.

As to understanding the set words, those common to each mass, Catholic laymen get an instruction about the general meaning of each ceremony, identifiable with opening words. But as these are not about instruction, they are prayers, the exact meaning is not a necessity for laymen assisting mass to understand.

The phrase which in English is that I may instruct others also; and in Latin is ut et alios instruam is already provided for by translation of Gospel or explanation of Gospel in a sermon.

X What does Catholicism teach about how Mary died? What is the source?
https://www.quora.com/What-does-Catholicism-teach-about-how-Mary-died-What-is-the-source/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Answer requested by
Barock Caleb

Hans-Georg Lundahl
54m ago
Catholicism · Catholic convert, reading many Catechisms
Up to Pius XII, on August 14th one recalled the Dormition of Mary and on August 15th Her Assumption. One presumes both occurred August 15th, and as Assumption is a matter for feast, one prepones the sadness of Dormition to the eve of the feast.

This is based on St. Andrew of Crete.

As Francis Marsden noted St. John Damascene arguing She should be spared the wages of sin, both death and corruption, others have argued, it was fitting She should either not die, or die of love. She was granted to die - the dormition - because Her Son had died. Corruption had not touched Her Son, and did not need touch Her. She also did not need to remain dead to the third day, since Her death as such is not a dogma, this is why the West assumes She was resurrected and assumed from the grave the very same day.

St. Andrew of Crete goes on to say, St. Thomas (Didymus) opened Her grave (on the third day) and found it empty.

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