Tuesday, July 6, 2021

Biblical Chronology Questions on Quora


Q I
Did the Bible really say the Earth is flat? Did the Bible say the Earth is 6000 years old?
://www.quora.com/Did-the-Bible-really-say-the-Earth-is-flat-Did-the-Bible-say-the-Earth-is-6000-years-old/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Hans-Georg Lundahl
none/ apprx Masters Latin & Greek, Lund University
Answered May 30 (2021)
These are two questions.

"Did the Bible really say the Earth is flat?"

No. For instance, each "four corners" passage is understandable as about corners of the continents, since Hebrew Eretz doesn't just mean "Tellus" (as opposed to Heaven) but also "Terra" and especially "Terra firma" (as opposed to the sea).

"Did the Bible say the Earth is 6000 years old?"

According to translations (notably of Genesis 5 and 11) and according to estimates about the period between Daniel and Christ, the Bible says earth was between 4000 (or even slightly lower) and 5500 years when Christ was born, that is, that it is now, two thousand years later, between 6000 years (or even slightly lower, Jews had Anno Mundi 5777 in AD 2007, as I recall) and 7500 years.

Marc Robidoux
Sun (4.VII.2021)
Ancient civilizations like in China and Peru and Mesopotamia and India ( some who kept excellent records by the way) would be shocked that they predate the earth itself as some calculations dated from the Bible. They were already shaking their heads in disbelief at the supposedly global flood that never affected them at all. How weird.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
Tuesday 6.VII.2021
You believe the Sumerian King List where one of the pre-Flood kings ruled like 28 000 years?

You believe Indian records are excellent when they got writing a few centuries BC? First written text of considerable length being in Pali, decree of Ashoka, later one also had written Sanscrit?

Inca civilisation started in Cusco, c. 12th C. Yeah, AD. It had no writing and did not orally preserve all records of any previously extant civilisations.

China? It so happens, their civilisation starts with Fu Hsi, and his lifetime is a bit after the Flood. Even with “moderate LXX chronology” and certainly with the “full LXX chronology” (Flood in 2957 BC acc to Roman Martyrology 3258 / 3266 BC according to Syncellus).

See more on China here:
Recorded History of China Too Old For Us?

Marc Robidoux
3h ago
You sir are a believer! A true believer. You obviously hold quite extended education, and perhaps this informs your true belief to the point you KNOW! You know, the Bible is literally true. You know the myth of the biblical flood is true, and all the animals including dinosaurs survived on a ship that engineering tells us wouldn’t even have floated. You know this flood occurred globally despite insufficient water existing on earth. You know this biblical flood took out the entire globe even though civilizations all over somehow existed and went through it. You know animals found in only remote parts of the earth were ‘hand carried’ by descendants of the inbred humans carried on that ark. You know all bear types descended from 2 bears carried on the ark, despite common biological evidence that a population below several hundred individuals is a sure way to extinction. You know Ken Hamm is absolutely correct and his “Ark Experience” is the literal truth, despite the fact he only managed to build his monstrosity with concrete and rebar and cranes and diggers etc, but oh no, Noah managed it all with his bare hands, you know it.

It is to laugh.



Hans-Georg Lundahl
Just now
I am very impressed with how quick you drop an argument after I made an attempt to disprove it. Seems it was successful …

"You know the myth of the biblical flood is true,"

That the Flood is in the Bible is not a myth. It's also in a few mythologies, which I hold to be mostly true, but not when in conflict with Catholic theology, including but not limited to the Bible.

"and all the animals including dinosaurs survived on a ship that engineering tells us wouldn’t even have floated."

Not all the animals, but two or seven per kind. You are aware only land and air vertebrates are concerned, that among these mammals are the most diverse and that mammalian families are a little above 120 (129, I seem to recall)?

And if it had been a ship with any propulsion against the waves, it would not have floated, it was a floating box, Noah had no control, but God knew where He directed it.

"You know this flood occurred globally despite insufficient water existing on earth."

Or water actually being sufficient, and after Flood getting drained into new deep Oceanic basins ... (with new mountain peaks protruding the other way too, so as to keep a kind of balance).

"You know this biblical flood took out the entire globe even though civilizations all over somehow existed and went through it."

Did you somehow just forget my previous comment?

They didn't.

"You know animals found in only remote parts of the earth were ‘hand carried’ by descendants of the inbred humans carried on that ark."

I know that would be one of the options, never said it were the only one. I do not know the people on the Ark were very inbred between them.

"You know all bear types descended from 2 bears carried on the ark, despite common biological evidence that a population below several hundred individuals is a sure way to extinction."

Make it despite an urban legend to that effect. Or maybe, that matches the situation of populations today.

"You know Ken Hamm is absolutely correct"

No, I disagree on some particulars. [Ken Ham, btw, one m]

"and his “Ark Experience” is the literal truth,"

He doesn't claim it himself.

"despite the fact he only managed to build his monstrosity with concrete and rebar and cranes and diggers etc, but oh no, Noah managed it all with his bare hands, you know it."

I haven't stated how bare his hands were, and I haven't stated he did it all by himself. He also didn’t take 80 - 100 - 120 years.

"It is to laugh."

Enjoy, you might need it.

Meme:
"and then kills everyone with a flood for not acting the way he wanted"

Like, for violence killing freedoms that God had given? You know the type now seen in CPS, school compulsion, shrinks ... things which, thank God, the world after the Flood was free from!

Q II
What can stratigraphy date?
https://www.quora.com/What-can-stratigraphy-date/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Hans-Georg Lundahl
none/ apprx Masters Latin & Greek, Lund University
Answered Thu
Archaeology, as to relative chronology.

Not palaeontology, except a lot would be from the Deluge.

More on it here:
Creation vs. Evolution : Archaeology vs Vertabrate Palaeontology in Geology
https://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2016/06/archaeology-vs-vertabrate-palaeontology.html


Q III
Is it possible that as the world becomes closer to the time of the Antichrist, ancient civilizations like Atlantis that were thought to have vanished will reappear?
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-possible-that-as-the-world-becomes-closer-to-the-time-of-the-Antichrist-ancient-civilizations-like-Atlantis-that-were-thought-to-have-vanished-will-reappear/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Answer requested
by Stef Lynn

Hans-Georg Lundahl
none/ apprx Masters Latin & Greek, Lund University
Answered 6.VII.2021
Very possible.

I am for my own part interested in whether Nod and especially Henoch in Nod will be found under the Himalayas.

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