Tuesday, February 13, 2024

Wonder Who's Interested in Censoring My Idea that the Disciple of Joshua Ben Pekharia was Odin?


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Wonder Who's Interested in Censoring My Idea that the Disciple of Joshua Ben Pekharia was Odin?
It's not blasphemy against Our Lord. It's not accusing, on this specific point, the Jews of blaspheming him. It's not accusing any Jew in good standing of being behind Odinism.

Is the problem:
a) that I am refusing to participate in Jewish blasphemy? insisting that Jews who on this account blaspheme Our Lord are mixing up accounts concerning different opponents of what Judaism is today?
or b) that I am insisting that people telling stories about their own origins tend not to lie too grossly, so that Swedish "myths" about Odin are true?

I mean the ones that feature Odin as present in Uppsala, whether it was actually to Uppsala he came, or it was to some part of Swabia instead. Obviously the ones featuring Odin as formerly killing Ymir or as upcoming to be killed by Fenrir the Wolf are not true, but neither are they stories about the origin of the Yngling dynasty.

Perhaps some Russian is translating this to Slavic conditions. A Slav who pretended Perun actually existed as a person would be a pagan, because Perun's ONLY existence is either as an idol, of wood plus gilding, or as a false god in Slavic paganism. However, the same is not true of Odin. Snorre and Saxo were far from being Odinists, and both existed he came to Uppsala, though I might admit the archaeology of the place seems to indicate this was a mixup about locality.

Anyway, the will to censor this idea exists, since my comment on 6:12 was deleted twice.


Jesus in the Talmud
Reason & Theology | 5 Febr. 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZwXslFpq_A


What are your opinions on the idea that:
  • Yeshu, the disciple of Joshua ben Pekharia, existed
  • did found an idolatrous religion among Swedes or possibly Swabians
  • and that his son was known as Zebedee after doing penance, but previously as involved in that one, was known as Thunor or Thor, up in Germanic countries?


1:31 Mark 7:2 And when they had seen some of his disciples eat bread with common, that is, with unwashed hands, they found fault. 3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews eat not without often washing their hands, holding the tradition of the ancients: 4 And when they come from the market, unless they be washed, they eat not: and many other things there are that have been delivered to them to observe, the washings of cups and of pots, and of brazen vessels, and of beds. 5 And the Pharisees and scribes asked him: Why do not thy disciples walk according to the tradition of the ancients, but they eat bread with common hands?

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a) what part of the Talmud, if any, was this referring to?
b) was it applicable to the situation (eating when basically on a prolonged field trip, where washing is less than easy to get done)?
c) is the tractate if so pre- or post-Jewish apostasy under Caiaphas?

Pre- as in Oral law or Shammai or Gamaliel or Hillel? Post- as in Akiba?

3:02 It's funny that the famous anti-Christian polemicist Akiba is considered the catechist of Aquilas, who could well be Onkelos.

I mean, being the catechist of someone who joined you because of a seance!

5:20 From the quote it seems the Gemara considers "that man" as identic to the Jesus that Onkelos raised, but apparently the original text did not.

So, was Akiba trying to pretend Onkelos was the explanation for the empty tomb, after the word of the sleeping guards was seen as insufficient? And did "that man" originally (though the Gemara missed it) refer to someone else?

5:59 We are under no obligation to see all Talmudic references as being about the same man.

If the weeks of Daniel could come to end in the advent of Bar Kokhba, that means they did some chronological telescoping of the compressing type, which means what seems same time and person in the Talmud could refer to different times and persons in reality.

6:12 Do all the other parts of the Talmud with references to "Yeshu" speak of "the Nazarene"?

Does the part where Joshua Ben Pekharia had a wayward disciple call that disciple "Nazarene" and especially does it do so already in the Mishna part, or could this be part of the Gemara distortion of their views of Christianity?

[Could not post the following under above:]

6:33 For the time period, this is obviously due to the Jewish compression of times between Ezra and Titus. You know, putting the weeks of Daniel into the "fulfilling" by Bar Kokhba.

When it comes to the disciple of Joshua ben Pekharia, I think he's later than under Queen Mariamne, though earlier than Jesus Christ (I think Fjolnir, his step-grandson, was drowned in a mead vat in the halls of a Danish king contemporary with Augustus).

When it comes to the execution story, with disciple names including Mattai and some other ones that sound like the Apostles, if that's where the time period of Queen Mariamne is mentioned, I think this may be wishful thinking about wanting to have Jesus of Nazareth executed purely by Jewish justice, not by Romans.

[The 6:12 comment had been deleted, I reposted both together. It was deleted again.]

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