Heschmeyer is a Great Apologist. Horn too. Me Three. (As Long As I Do It Writing, Not Speaking)

I Was Wrong (Worse: Trent Horn was Right ...)
Shameless Popery | 2 Oct. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI3Mt6UPRok

6:37 All that this argument requires is:

• Mary was not in a state of sin (like original or mortal), so, covenantally, God would not have been free to damn Her (irrespectively of whether the state of grace or only legal justification was available back in the OT);
• God wasn't threatening to damn Her if She refused (which obviously He wasn't).

Alternatively, people in the OT weren't acutely aware of a risk of damnation (while obviously no one was puzzled when Jesus spoke out on people getting damned, so the concept was around, they were puzzled about the things He applied this to, like inner lust, like stinginess to the needing, like being angry or hateful enough to someone to go from "good for nothing" — the probable meaning of racah — to "fool" in the personal assessment of the other person). They were basically in favour of a Hillel like laxism, and He was on some essentials presenting a Shammai + like severity. I don't think even the school of Shammai was all that much into the risk of getting damned. OT Jews, including just before Jesus, would have thought of hell as a place where people go if they were Hitler and didn't remain a painter or ate pork knowingly under no duress from Antiochus IV.

9:04 Ah, Mary's consciousness parallelling Isaias seems to be a better argument.

Without sinlessness, Mary wouldn't have dared.

Now, I actually hold, She wasn't aware of Her sinlessness before She got from the words of Elisabeth Cohen that Her own Sisera was the old serpent. Nevertheless, awareness of sinlessness would not have been needed, only not having a fault to be keenly aware of, as Isaias had.

10:53 definitely not AI

I feel like double-checking that with Trent Horn. The sentiment in general, abstracting from the application to two persons, however is a reminder, I do best to argue and debate over the internet, in a room my presence is grossly inadequate, even for just a school teacher on a not controversial subject like German grammar. (OK, it became controversial because of me).