Saturday, September 26, 2020

Catholic Middle Ages

Q i
When did the Catholic Church allow to translate the Bible into the local language?

Hans-Georg Lundahl
August 20
Catholic convert, reading many Catechisms
Basically any time that there has been a local language with a written form, and except the times when a vernacular translation would be likely to be abused by heretics, the Catholic Church has allowed it.

In the sequels of Albigensian and Waldensian heresies, some parts of which were parodies of Sermon on the Mount, some countries forbade it temporarily, from 13th C. and on for some time : French, (post-Norman conquest) English, Spanish and Catalan.

The English ban was lifted after Tyndale, but before King James : the KJ translaters actually borrow ideas from Douay Rheims. For Spanish, I think the restriction may have been longer, but for French the Catholic Bible translations even started before the Reformation.

Meanwhile, there was no such restriction on German, and Luther’s translation came after 14 High German and 4 Low German Catholic translations.

There had been no such restriction on Old English, and some of our sources for this language are precisely Gospel translations.

Q ij
Why did the Catholic Church also conquer temporal power?

Hans-Georg Lundahl
August 20
Catholic convert, reading many Catechisms
Check out these last verses of the Gospel of St. Matthew:

Douay-Rheims Bible (Matthew 28)

[16] And the eleven disciples went into Galilee, unto the mountain where Jesus had appointed them. [17] And seeing him they adored: but some doubted. [18] And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. [19] Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. [20] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.

Did you get teach ye all nations?

This means, not just individual persons, but institutions - armies, heads of state, cultural personnel and so on - of all nations.

Obeying this command successfully tends to give the one doing so temporal power.

Q iij
Why did the Catholic mass develop in the Middle Ages?

Answer requested
by Donald Smith

Hans-Georg Lundahl
September 9
Catholic convert, reading many Catechisms
Ceremonies were added.

Like the sermon. Added in 813, after a reform in the pronunciation of Latin, ongoing since 800, had made the Latin Gospel inintelligible for the people.

Or after “ite missa est” one added first the blessing and then the Last Gospel.

Is that what you wanted to know?

Because if you meant the Catholic mass came into existence during the Middle Ages, that is wrong, it has been in existence since the Last Supper on the first Maundy Thursday.

Q iu
What errors of Catholicism led to reformation?

Answer requested
by Garry Dchk

Hans-Georg Lundahl
September 17
Catholic convert, reading many Catechisms
Belloc gave an answer : the Catholic Church must have been in an awful shape back then if it could ordain men like Luther, Zwingli, Cranmer, Knox. (I think he may have included Calvin, but he was just a priest candidate, not a priest).

St. Paul to St. Timothy : do not be hasty to lay hands on someone ….

Q u
Is it true that many of the influential leaders of the Renaissance like Martin Luther also had an impact on the reformation and vice versa?

Answer requested
by Marc Bloemers

Hans-Georg Lundahl
September 20
Catholic convert, reading many Catechisms
Martin Luther was NOT an “influential leader of the Renaissance”.

However, Erasmus was, and he was influential on both Luther (and therefore Reformation) and on parts of Counterreformation.

  • By underligning freewill (Erasmus’ De Libero Arbitrio was answered by his former disciple Luther’s De Servo Arbitrio, Erasmus being essentially Arminian and Luther essentially Calvinist, before Calvin)
  • By influencing a Saint like Saint Thomas More, martyr for Catholicism.

Q uj
What is the role of Reformation during the Renaissance period?

Answer requested
by Mahmoud Radi

Hans-Georg Lundahl
September 21
That - what the role of the Reformation during the Renaissance period is - is disputed.

Some would say there is no real connection. C. S. Lewis considered the Renaissance never happened in England (we all know a Reformation happened there), so to him, the two are probably fairly unconnected.

My take is, one part of the Renaissance was “knowing better than” the Middle Ages. And Reformation took this into the heart of theology.

Also, one of those who did, without being a Reformer, namely Lorenzo Valla (a Catholic priest), considered the papacy had got positions it shouldn’t have had by “Donation of Constantine” which he considered a forgery. The Reformation took this further.

And, one part of the Renaissance was Atheism and questioning Christian morality, see Pietro Aretino. This was also done, but this time more cautiously, by the Reformation. I even believed Aretino was earlier than Reformers, that he was not. His writing carreer started in 1526, after Luther’s carreer as a Reformer.

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