My Excuses to Miss Thunberg for Temporarily Taking Her for a Gothenburger

My own most maritime relatives are Gothenburgers, and seeing her obvious prowess with boats, I forgot where the School Strike began. My bad.

"Comment Greta est arrivée ici" [title, fortunately not video, automatically translated to French, and sorry, but I forgot the exact idiomatic Englisn phrase]
Jordan B Peterson Clips | 10 June 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXabYcz_LGA

0:28 Already, you are basically saying her position is due to some kind of fringe parents, the position on carbon emissions that is.

In Sweden, it's arguably opposition to that narrative that's likely to come from fringe parents.

Plus the idea that if a fringe parent succeeds in transmitting the values to her progeny, it's by being very domineering.

That's idiocy too, but totally irrelevant for Miss Thunberg. She heard the climate apocalypticism from very mainstream science in a very mainstreal school, which was so mainstream it conducted some kind of diagnostic procedure about autism, because obviously a diagnosis is good for treatment ... in certain domains of what academically counts as medicine, treatment is not actually so likely to be a real benefit.

0:39 Plus, and here your misassessment of her position overlaps very much with misassessments of YEC, you think that if there is a collective blind spot, it is due to a conspiracy by people about the moral level of Dr. Mabuse.

How about prejudice rather than lies? How about conniving with people boosting your prejudice rather than conspiring elaborately with people who would have no chance of maintaining the prejudice other than by very illegal means being secretly employed?

So, no, your pseudo-empathy is definitely about as gross as Mr. Trump's when he recommended anger management classes about a Miss Thunberg who is visibly a very composed and usually pretty smiling person.

0:44 As you mentioned industry, I do think the carbon scare is a conspiratorial deflection from real environmental issues with the industry.

Dupond and teflon production? Don't get me wrong, teflon itself is safe, if you ingest it, it will get through your bowels, it's too big to get into your blood stream. I mean another molecule that is also built on Fluorine tied to Carbon, much smaller, and actually different molecules. "C-8 is dangerous" -- "ah, there are no studies saying C-6 is dangerous" ... those short molecules can get into the bloodstream, do accumulate, are not digested, do cause cancer.

And they hid facts as long as they legally could from Rob Bilott, the lawyer of a farmer whose cows were going bad, close to that factory.

On that level of capitalists, yes, there are conspiracies.

1:09 You even garble the facts.

Fridays for the Future started 20 augusti 2018. ("augusti" is Swedish for August).

"Greta Tintin Eleonora Ernman Thunberg, född 3 januari 2003"

So, the actual age when the Climate Strike started was 15 years, 7 months, 17 days.

"i Stockholm"

Oops, my bad. I had recently qualified her as from Gothenburg, because my own maritime relatives being from there.

Now, returning to you, if someone takes a girl aged nearly 16 and describes her as 13, what does that say about one's attitude to that girl?

Now, it was only "15 mars 2019" that the strike became global. By then Miss Thunberg was 16 years, 2 months, 12 days.

She only appeared in Lausanne at a conference 5 Aug 2019. 16 years, 7 months, 2 days.

That's the real age for what you consider a "girl of 13" ... when she came up with "how dare you" she was not expecting to be listened to, or not more than half, that's why she was somewhat less smiling than recently.

1:16 Confused and a bit autistic ... the only diagnosis that's actually given is "a bit autistic" (Asperger, back when that was a diagnosis).

13 in Lausanne, you are confused about her actual age.

1:32 How much of a backwater is Canada really?

What she said was totally mainstream. Especially in Europe.

As to your total ineptitude about the mother (an opera singer who couldn't function in the environment of Swedish opera by being a domineering fringe parent), it matches your ineptitude about European affairs and about Miss Thunberg's year of birth (unless it was you found Lausanne conference as being "ten years ago" due to things before Covid seeming long ago, now).

2:03 Environmental and economic ...

No, you are inept again. To Thunberg, as to most Swedes, and indeed to all, in a sufficient pinch, environment trumps economy.

The difference is, if the environment is destroyed, there is no economy (total good sense, as far as that goes, not necessarily agreeing with her example back then), there are two reactions to that.

"Well, my good sense about the economy says, we can't assume the environment is an urgency"
"You can't eat money or drink crypto-money"

That's the whole point about the confrontation back then. And that is why her "authority" about economy was never the issue in the first place. That you think it is, clearly lowers your credibility.

I can give climate sceptics the benefit of the doubt that she may have been wrong about what carbon in the atmosphere would do. But I can't give an economist the benefit of the doubt, if she was right on climate science, that we can still wait, because the economy demands it.

And her take on climate science, over here in Europe, it's not the take of fringe parents, it's exactly what they teach in public education. It's not what you get from a parent who's worried the Antichrist will appear in a few years, it's what you get from teachers making fun of that parent and pitying that child for too domineering parents.

2:37 If Greta Thunberg got a diagnosis, it's because her mother was the very opposite of a fringe mother like that of, I presume, Amala Ekpunobi (sorry in advance if I got that wrong).

Greta's parents thought that psychology and psychiatry could be trusted, and had no problem letting her go to the examinations.

[Tried to add]

Here is how PragerU characterises Amala Ekpunobi:

Raised in a far-left activist household, Amala Ekpunobi was once a student organizer for the left.

In Sweden, no one in his right mind would take the Thunberg family as far left.

No one. In 2020, she was guest chief editor of Dagens Nyheter.

Political alignment: Independent liberal.

By the way, it's owned by the Bonnier concern, which is the Swedish equivalent of the Springer concern. The Bonnier family seems to have an ancestor on the Jewish cemetery of Copenhagen. If you are far left or Antisemite, you don't get even a Letter to an editor through in DN, let alone have them make you visiting chief editor for one day.

And you also don't get that position by being incompetent and fear driven.

3:00 So, Ekpunobi is also mischaracterising the age of Greta when the School strike started? Or especially when they started getting traction (Schwartzy was not a world leader in 2018, that's only 2019, Lausanne, and by then Schwartzy gained as much from her as she did in visibility before the public eye).

3:25 So, not being "able to question oneself" is being in an awful situation?

Like, what happened to Jordan's view on boldness being a good thing for society? Now suddenly everyone is supposed to tie themselves into knots and question themselves, a bit like sessions of autocriticism in the Chinese Reeducation camps ...

Or is that just a case of "we want boldness on our side, but for the other side we teach diffidence"?

4:33 To their "prideful narcissism" ...

A Prot said "prideful" and a Shrink said "narcissism" in the same breath.

Narcissism is not a scientific diagnosis, it's a moral evaluation of someone as "prideful" ... it is often enough handled by people who have Protestant or Jewish definitions about what is prideful.

But the actual criteria of what's supposed to be scientific do not match the correct and Catholic definitions of what is pride.

4:33 bis.

The invitation to change the world is actually not just behinds lots of activism, but also behind lots of industrialism, and lots of war crimes.

Some people both in 1945 and right now think they are conducting a war to make the world a place with no more antisemitism ever. That's changing the world.

Teflon started out as an asset for building bombs (changing the world, again!) and ended up as an asset for kitchens, making mums less overworked (changing the world, again!).

But somehow, the only ones who are "prideful" or "narcissists" depending on whether you put the Protestant hat on or the Psychologist hat on are activists. Because industrialists, politicians, militaries, that's the kind of people you just don't attack.

5:04 Catch 22. Someone advocates for some oppressed group.

Are you part of it?

If not, did they elect you?

If yes, aren't you pleading your own cause (I know some Americans have trouble with that, they got disgusted with Dickens* for thinking himself wronged and complaining)?

And by the way, if you are, how about oppressing you some more so you can't be heard?

I haven't read that novel. As it happens, I don't have all that much sympathy either for pretending to be insane or for shirking your duty as a soldier. But the kind of set-up that's characterised by the novel title, it can't be unlearned how awkward that is.

6:18 "understand the world and their place in it?"

There are lots of young people who have a place in it they have good reasons to prefer changing over understanding. Some who are not so young too.

Understanding one's place in the world is usually synonym to someone in an underdog position prevented from independence "understanding" how it still makes perfect sense.

There were bank robber victims in Norrmalmstorg, in Stockholm, who understood their place on the floor, because they understood the bank robber.

So, lack of Stockholm syndrome = lack of interest in understanding things?

I think it's a very solid understanding of things, perhaps misapplied due to mainstream climate science, that without environment, economy makes no sense.

And apart from from the question on carbon emissions, and not being a Fundie Catholic, Thunberg has a story of understanding the world. 2014–2015 (when she was 11-12) she was in Vi i Femman. A Swedish quiz programme. Not the place you land if you are all action and no reflection.

[To be continued?]

* Sourced, Chesterton's biography of Charles Dickens.

The North-German Problem

The German Problem
Jordan B Peterson Clips | 12 Dec. 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbWLE07NGcw

3:52 US does not embrace racism ... on the Union level, please!

But US had states.

Some of them were very racist in 1933—1945. I am not sure that Gipsies suffered less prior to the war, but Jews pretty certainly did, compared to Black and Indians in certain US states back then.

3:52 Rule of the law ... well, sorry, but Germany did NOT abandon rule of the law.

When a Catholic bishop suffered persecution, it was for an offense to the road code, a purported one. Harrassing a group by mis-applying laws is very clearly not the same as breaking away from laws altogether.

Every step US has taken and individual states in the US have taken to strengthen psychiatry have been steps away from the full ideal of the rule of the law, but they have been compartmentalised steps, not a wholesale breaking away from it. The exact same thing was true of NS Germany. Actually, certain types of sponsorships, like Lebensborn (in its more usual application of actually saving children of unwed German mothers) have a great similarity with certain social programmes in the US.

If Jordan Peterson back before he took up psychology thought Germans "broke away from the rule of the law" ... seeing certain scandals about Clintons and Bidens, I would say that is not so more in Germany than in the US. He listened to victors' propaganda.

3:52 Democracy? So.

Giving the one man a doubling of powers from those of Chancellor only to those of Chancellor + President was probably the least bad part of Hitlerism. "Checks and Balances" are not the essence of a democratic society if you mean rule of the people by the people, and still less the essence of rule of the law.

3:59 Eugenics were far more available in US and UK and Canada than in Italy or Austria. They were practised by Swedes. They were planned by Lenin and only stopped, in the nick of time, by Stalin and Lysenko.

Fascism isn't Eugenics. Hitler combined Fascism from Italy, which had no Eugenics, with Eugenics from Sweden which had ... I will not say, no Fascism, but a very much more peaceful Fascism (some parts of the Social Democrats were close to the Nysvenska Förbundet, the least legal part of the activities of which was the probable elk and deer poaching and illegal fishing of the member Cederhöök — his novel persona Åsa-Nisse clearly is a poacher, and is presumed to be calqued on the author).

What I condemn, is Eugenics. What I don't condemn is Fascism.

If you strip away the differences between NS, Fascismo, Falange, Estado novo de Portugal, Austrofaschismus and only retain a core, it's not Eugenics, not even street fighters (even if common to most, not so to Portugal), not camps for deviants or ethnicities (absent from Spain), not secret police (absent in Austrofascism, and in Italy prior to 1926), but only:

• opposing both Communist expropriation and Capitalist exploitation
• believing this peace of the factions imposed by industrialism is more important than checks and balances of a many party or two party system with factions competing for power.

Given how those checks and balances were put into place in the UK, namely by very radical breaks away from the rule of law, I don't see how decency depends on upholding them against all and any who prefer a more monarchic (effectively monarchic) functioning of the state.

5:44 "an ability to tap into demonic strains in German culture"

If you mean Prussianism is demonic, I agree. That makes Bismarck, not Hitler, the key ingredient.

Bismarck faked the Emms Telegram, I think not by entirely rewriting the telegram received, but by selective rewriting of a detail. He tricked the Germanies, at this time without the Holy Roman Empire since 1806, into believing in a French attack. A little earlier he had at one point said "we want Schleswig Holstein to be a German state, like Prussia and Austria" and so tricked Austria into making war on Denmark, and after that, still before 1870, he turned his back on the deal.

"No, of course we want Schleswig Holstein as an integral part of Prussian Kingdom, it was after all our Karl Klinke" (a kamikaze) "who sacrificed his life, and this many state solution is pretty cumbrous and a bit outdated!"

Bismarck was a nihilist, believing in nothing but power, and to some degree order, sth power should serve, and military discipline, a way the power has someones serving it, he was a great fan of the rule of law among Germans, while having no qualms to arbitrarily put Catholics outside the law for being in obedience to the Pope, much like the French III Republic did. But apart from that, he believed in nothing, perhaps least of all his own word. In a sense, Hitler was kind of to Bismarck (and to foreign Eugenicists) what Chaplin's Hünckel was to Hitler. Except he played it out in real bloodshed.

6:04 "Hitler capable of displacing Christian Ethics" — is this a joke?

Northern Germany, non-Catholic parts of Germany, hadn't had Christian Ethics since perhaps even the time of Kant.

In the 18th C I believe exactly one Catholic priest was martyred in Europe. OK, Continental Europe, not sure of the situation in England. He was hung by Frederick the Great, I recall on his personal orders, for having heard and for having refused to reveal, the confession of a German Catholic who had deserted the Prussian army because he had qualms about shooting on German Catholics in the Austrian army. And who had been caught and said that that priest had heard his confession. St. Andrew Faulhaber, pray for us!

The late 18th C. had been a huge attempt, hugely successful, by Northern Germany to displace Christian ethics and indeed Christianity. Evangelische Kirche is as un-Christian as United Church of Canada. Belief in Biblical miracles — out. Belief in integral inspiration of the Scriptures — out, notably through the preference of Marcan priority as a way to polemise against "later accretions" in the Gospel of Matthew. And, obviously, belief that people need to conform to the Ethics of the Gospels — equally out. In the matrilinear line from Barbara of Cilli, at 1920 or sth, I find a woman married at 21, for a long time, who has two children. Obviously not a fan of "Catholics breeding like rabbits" a k a respecting Genesis 1:28.

And, not unlike how US culture could get into Germany after 1945, Prussian culture could get into Austria after 1866. That involved Hitler's history teacher.

6:34 I can make the case the "death of God" (Nietzschean, not Calvarian sense) cascades most effectively through UK and Commonwealth with Scandinavian powers and Prussia as a second.

The reason why France had so much more draconic measures in the III Republic against Catholicism than Bismarck had, is that the call to abandon Christian Ethics met with so much more opposition in Paris than in Berlin.

Meanwhile, England had overturned Christian Ethics with the public (though privately ineffective) repudiation of Maria Fitzherbert by George IV and his putting the law of the land above Mark 10:6 with context. Canada and US were very wildly overturning Christian Ethics by the treatment of Plains Indians in the 1860's and by the treatment of Indians and Esquimaux in Residential Schools, 1890 to 1970's. The colonial British élite were all agog about how Mahabharata proved myths (including heroic legends) were fairy tales and how exciting and interesting the spirituality of Bhagavad-Gita was compared to the Sermon on the Mount. I am doing the reverse. I hope Krishna, whom I consider a real man, never pronounced such words, never made himself to a false God, and I think Mahabharata proves an independent memory of the conditions of Genesis 4 and Genesis 6, contaminated by idolatry, but still having an outline reminiscent of the Hebrew truth.

That, not Hitler's personality, was where Deutsche Christen ultimately came from.

"Bonus war der wichtigste theologische Autor des Diederichs-Verlages.[3] Um der bürgerlichen Entkirchlichung zu begegnen, forderte er die „Germanisierung des Christentums“ als die Vollendung der lutherischen Reformation[4] und die Rückbesinnung auf das „urtümlich germanische Element unserer Religion“. Seit jungen Jahren fasziniert von den nordgermanischen Sagen, sah Bonus in der germanischen Literatur das Hilfsmittel schlechthin, um ein „deutsches Christentum“ zu etablieren. Nach der Veröffentlichung der dreibändigen Sagensammlung Isländerbuch (1907), die zu seinem größten literarischen Erfolg wurde, erschien 1911 mit Zur Germanisierung des Christentums der erste Band der geplanten vierbändigen Reihe Zur religiösen Krisis.[5] Seine religiöse Konzeption orientierte sich an Paul de Lagarde und Friedrich Nietzsche."

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Bonus

I would say the actual movement Deutsche Christen does have sth to do with Hitler, when it excludes Calvino-Modernist-Semi-Lutherans of same general outlook on the Gospels (a bit like that of Rabbi Mendelson on the Torah) if they have Jewish ancestry. But he was only encouraging what was already there since Arthur Bonus and Julius Bode:

"Arthur Bonus propagierte 1896 eine „Germanisierung des Christentums“. Max Bewer (1861–1921) behauptete in Der deutsche Christus 1907, Jesus stamme von deutschen Söldnern im römischen Heer in Galiläa ab und seine Verkündigung sei von „deutschem Blut“ beeinflusst. Er folgerte daraus, die Deutschen seien die besten Christen unter den Völkern, die nur durch das materialistische Judentum an der Entfaltung ihrer Geisteskräfte gehindert seien. Julius Bode (1876–1942) dagegen sah die Christianisierung der Germanen als Aufzwingen einer „undeutschen“ Verstandesreligion, die dem germanischen Fühlen wesensfremd geblieben sei und von der es sich befreien müsse.[1]"

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Christen

That is, he preferred a "vital" and "non-intellectual" Christianity over Christianity as it had been, and sought to free Germany from it. Both were Protestant pastors. Both were not very impressed by Hitler. Both had roots in Schleiermacher and in a kind of woke romanticising of pre-Christian as pre-Colonial religions, which started with the Black Legend deploring how Cortez and Pizarro brought Christianity to the Americas. Columbus has later been added to the list. And that Black Legend has more roots in Raleigh than in any German of the 16th C.

So, demonic strains in German culture? No. Demonic strains in imports from the worst that England and US had to offer.

When you speak of Checks and Balances, you heap glory on the "Glorious Revolution" of 1688. In England, William III was indeed no spiller of blood. In Scotland, the Glencoe massacre leads back to William II, not to Clan Campbell, which was only used, not to say abused, as very lowly means for his racist and demonic programme of wiping out Highlanders. Ireland also has less fond memories of him.

Here is a taste of the paranoia that fed that demon spirit:

"Conversely, for the Williamites in Ireland, the war was about maintaining Protestant rule in Ireland. They feared for their lives and their property if James and his Catholic supporters were to rule Ireland, nor did they trust the promise of tolerance, seeing the Declaration of Indulgence as a ploy to re-establish Catholicism as the sole state religion."

Even with Catholicism as sole State religion, this does not mean it would have been the only legal one. Catholics only and Inquisition is not a Catholic universal rule, it was a Catholic measure originally of emergency, and is not a part of the duty of every Catholic politician, unlike what the Williamites believed. They could have half an excuse in the Edict of Fontainebleau. But those rich migrants (as they were more than once) were not a boon for all the countries they came to. Rockefeller was of this origin. They obviously acerbated the Williamite angers and fears on Ireland.

7:18 Totally agree. (Nolte, Dr. Niall Ferguson).

But Bolshevism, like Hitlerism, hankers back to Prussia, as Chesterton pointed out.

11:52 "Karl Gustav Jung (7 September 1795 in Mannheim – 12 June 1864 in Basel) was a German-Swiss medical doctor, political activist, professor of Medicine at the University of Basel, administrator and freemason."

That was the grandpa of the man whose analysis you praised.

"Carl Gustav Jung wurde 1875 in Kesswil im Kanton Thurgau, einem Dorf am Schweizer Ufer des Bodensees, geboren. Er war der zweite Sohn des reformierten Pfarrers Johann Paul Achilles Jung (1842–1896) und seiner Frau Emilie (1848–1923), Tochter des Basler Antistes Samuel Preiswerk, in Kesswil."

Jungs own father, Johann Paul Achilles, was of the precise type of Progressive Protestantism which led to Deutsche Christen.

15:01 Prosperity, Propaganda, Coercion.

The precise recipe forming the English Protestant establishment.

1688. Anyone can propose anything and get to vote about it, unless it's treating Catholics and Gaels as actual fellow men and not as Orcs or Amalecites.

It's also part of what's wrong with Sweden today.

Though, in Sweden, it's not a question of formally saying such and such groups should have no rights, it is more like pretending "very religious people" are mad and need protections beyond what the law provides for. Or that their children need them.

See also:

Differences between Austrians and Germans
yourtruebrit | 20 Febr. 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQw51yd22aU

I could add, the first Battle of Buzenval, I obviously prefer the Bréton and Catholic Louis-Jules Trochu over the Prussian and Protestant Hugo von Kirchbach (not sure if he was personally in command there or not) during the Siege of Paris. von Kirchbach was also successor of Karl Friedrich von Steinmetz who was not exactly on my side at Königgrätz.