Geocentrism Again : Sungenis and Coulombe

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Episode 85: Dr. Sungenis on Geocentrism
Catholics Against Militarism | 23 Oct. 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkDDsGYwbA8

22:09 Karl Keating ... sigh ...

He started Catholic Answers, his first tract was fine, it was a defense of the Real Presence, but within his first 48 tracts he had probably come to think he was defending Catholicism in attacking, not specifically Protestant tenets, but Fundamentalist Exegesis, and therefore he went after Creationism ... at least back then he was in San Diego, whose bishop is now cracking down on homeschoolers, at least logistically.

25:27 To parody Sungenis. The word "lion" with versions "lion's" and "lions" occurs respectively 86 verses, 9 verses (1 Machabees 3:4 is on both lists), 46 verses.

Is the Bible trying to tell us that lions roar, prowl and devour and in the process kill?

No, the Bible is taking that for granted. But obviously, not just what the Bible is "trying to tell" but also what it is "taking for granted" comes into the total sum of what it tells.

For verses taking Geocentrism for granted, I think Sungenis may have missed Romans 1:18—20.

Geocentrism
Tumblar House | 18 Jan. 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NLypED5n-g

Wouldn't agnosticism favour geocentrism?

I mean, if there is no definite proof for heliocentrism, the senses favour geocentrism.

Two Videos were Recommended to me

I have not seem them, and I have commented on them before seeing them, and stating so.

I might see them if video owners give a satisfactory answer to what I wrote:

The Pornocracy
Tumblar House | 5.X.2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PixpZmzuOY

I am not sure why this was recommended to me or by whom.

I have not watched it.

I can say fairly generally, if one wants to stop abortion and exploitation of the young, over puberty but now legally "under age", two or three things are necessary:

• forbidding abortion
• allowing the young marriage from puberty (normal measure, not early)
• ending school compulsion up to 16
• making sure there are jobs that young people under 16 can take
• this means renouncing some of the jobs in teaching busines and saving some money to tax payers (as well as boosting birth rates and making the future of the elderly healthier).

I am not sure whether Coulombe considered me as part of or dupe of pornocracy back when I unfriended him on FB over his supporting "international fight against pedophilia" which would obviously include Swedes and Dutch considering teen marriages as pedophilia if only the bride is a teen (or only the groom), but I think Coulombe is rather the one who is in that case playing into the hands of the real pornocrats and the abortion industry.

Plus obviously a lot of teachers who abuse the position to foist naturalism and evolution and heliocentrism and therefore more or less directly atheism on the young.

How To Identify A Cult
David Wolf | 8.IV.2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZwWGOQ0T0k

For some reason this one was recommended for me. I have not yet seen it.

It so happens, I am a bit fed up with people who actively block others from reading my work due to pretending I'm a victim of some cult.

If your point is one is in a cult for believing Young Earth Creationism is true, or for believing Geocentrism is true, you are attacking the historical Catholic Church as a cult over several centuries.

If your point is, a cult tries to run your life, well, people like you who block me from getting readers and therefore block me from getting an income, who are therefore putting me before a choice of either extreme poverty or "getting a normal work" rather than writing, a choice I won't take, I know how hard a class room situation is with teens, I do not have the qualifications to work as university professor and with my studies and study debts becoming a janitor would land me with high payments on low income, which equals the poverty I'm in anyway.

Did I make my point clear?

Bottom line to both:

While I am in a sense audience, I am also content provider, like they are, just that blogs are often less visited than youtubes. Printed books would perhaps be more read than some youtubes. As I am content provider, I wish to be treated like that, and not just like an audience.

If they consider the content I provide positively evil, let them openly say so, instead of doing gatekeeping and treating me as audience./HGL

One can add that I saw a title of a video by David Wolf, which I also did not watch.

I think the title in itself can explain why he and some others could have some motive for gatekeeping. So, commenting under it, I wish to remove it.

It doesn't matter what you are against, what matters is what you are for
David Wolf | 24.III.2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo-FTo-mqDk

So, you want to know what I am for.

In very general terms, truth and liberty.

Truth as in:

For Christianity:
https://notontimsblogroundhere.blogspot.com/

For Young Earth Creationism:
http://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/

For Roman Catholicism (not meaning Vatican II):
http://greatbishopofgeneva.blogspot.com/

Also, truth as in debating what I'm for to defend it, rather than ignoring attacks of intellectual nature.

Liberty as in bringing back liberties for families and persons now attacked by CPS, psychiatry and school compulsion, I considering adding vaccination compulsion to the list.

And as in bringing back liberties for the young to marry.

S. Th. III Supp. Q58 A5 Whether defective age is an impediment to marriage?
http://newadvent.com/summa/5058.htm#article5

Raising the age limit (as well as saying diagnosed or self diagnosed homosexuals must not try to get into normal marriage, I was never for gay marriage nor will I be, as well as sterilising "the unfit") is fulfilling I Timothy 4:3.

One can add on the truth side, that I am for Geocentrism, as holding a very basic response to the Distant Starlight objection against a young universe, and as allowing there to be a place above stars where God's Heaven is, as a place. Hell is also a place.

Geocentrism also eliminates any doubt about literal veracity of Joshua X:12.

One can add on the liberties side, I am for the liberties of small businessmen and of inherited business and farms and therefore against inheritance duty.

The Real Problem with Freemasonry

A running comment on the following video:

Jacobitism & Freemasonry
Tumblar House | 22.III.2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gShzWTHJTE4

1:23 The Swedish branch of masonry may be very fascinating, but it's also why I had to leave Sweden.

2:09 Gustav III was perhaps "fascinating," but two things:

• 1) he was more or less heretical in his own rite (! sorry for pun, too tired to resist!) as being involved with Enlightenment, while this was advantageous for Catholics and Jews, it was bad on other fronts. Christmas and Easter and Pentecost, already reduced from 12 days and octaves to four days at Reformation were reduced to two days;
• 2) he despised Masons as being mystagogues, and he mocked his younger brother, later the usurper Charles XIII for it, and this guy is important in Swedish masonry.

2:26 Wait, did you claim one could be Catholic and Swedish rite Mason?

I don't think this is true.

I most certainly do think Swedish rite Masons should leave the lodge if the convert to Catholicism.

I also don't know where you get the info from, it could be corruption post Vatican II.

I'm not against all the cultural influence of Freemasons, I for instance enjoy Bo Setterlind, a poet and a Mason, but I think he would have been much better off outside the lodge and inside the Church.

2:48 I am not quite clear, were you saying on part of Masonry, converts to Catholicism are required to leave, while Swedish rite doesn't?

On part of the Church, it should be the same.

6:00 As having seen a lexicon of freemasonry, and I was not under any oath, nor have I joined a lodge since, I can tell you some more things that are not quite secret. A claim to continue the work of King Solomon and King Hiram of Tyre and Hiram Abiff.

A claim of secret continuity - not quite dissimilar to some Ruckmanites and such who will claim the Church Christ founded was in 11th C partly extant as a secret society (!) of Culdees (it is actually the Irish word for monk, monks, man/men of God).

Obviously, they claim to have remained grosso modo secret up to the time of Anderson in 1717.

I was a bit apprehensive of post 1717 on my main blog, shouldn't such a Masonic number rather include a denunciation of freemasonry? Well, the thing is, better things happened too, like the birth of Maria Theresia, in that year.

7:50 Before election (supposed such) of "dear Holy Father" he was a clergyman (validly or not) in Buenos Aires, he was honorary member of Buenos Aires Rotary club (which also has dangeours public parts) and while laymen are not excommunicated for being Rotarians, clergy are.

What I see as extremely dangerous with Rotarians is, they can "run business" in the same sense that Medieval Town councils ran business, insofar as all guilds were responsible to the Town Council. They had the weight on which you weighed the baker's bread.

Modern Capitalism has no such system in government.

Some franchising companies have it internally - like someone at McDonald's franchise owner is telling all McDonald restaurants all over the world exactly how many minutes a hamburger needs to frie, and how long an employee is allowed to take between taking it off the grill and handing it over to those serving it, wrapped up in paper. With all the bread, ketchup, onion, lettuce and tomatoes.

But business overall doesn't have this. However, Rotary can act as informal "Medieval town council" ....

Some Protestants have worried about guilds fulfilling Apocalypse 13:17.

But guilds were local, and where Jews were tolerated, they were allowed to have their business outside the Catholic guilds.

Now take Rotary. It is called Rotary International. I think it is, at least. Then take the fact, unlike Medieval guilds, it is aconfessional. This means, you cannot really opt out of Rotary because of your confession. It depends on how much it really controls business, but as it is filling a vacuum, arguably it can have partly very strong control over some.

I think somehow a comment here got deleted. This reminds me of why exactly I unfriended Charles Coulombe on FB a few years ago. He had invited me to join international fight/war against paedophilia. I refused, as the word is in fact used about relations that should be legal. Marie Antoinette married at 14 would in Sweden, to Swedish masons, and arguably to lots of Rotarians, count at least as close to being a paedophile victim. The mother of St Francis of Sales would count as one, also married at 14 to a decades older man. Is Charles Coulombe still in the Masonic (and definitely not Catholic) ideal about age parity and about not marrying till years after the canonic limit of age? Or was it done locally by the internet provider? The follow up comment was, namely, about Rotary arranging teen swaps across countries for language studies, years abroad, and how their conditions were too Puritan on two fronts: 1) pregnancy and relationships = interruption of swap year (and I think this is more conducive to abortion than to marriage); 2) same for consumption of alcohol. I could add, this is presented as being "a moral rolemodel". I repeat, some of this paedagic or educational slant is definitely part of what is really wrong with Rotarians and Freemasons, and definitely in too much public. It reminds of Muslims and Mormons insofar as alcohol is concerned, as well as of Methodists, and it reminds of Methodists insofar as young marriages are concerned.

8:26 "conduct over Creed"

Guess what certain Mason or close to Mason types would have been badgering me about in Sweden?

The tolerance of a Mason converting to Catholicism, if real, would examplify their ideal of "conduct over Creed"

I think a comment may have been deleted here too. I mentioned the moving pictures adaptations of Narnia. The Magician's Nephew - not adapted The Silver Chair - adapted only in BBC The Last Battle - not adapted. Could be these too much defy the "conduct over creed" ideal. MN condemns mortals using magic and condemns moral relativism, also features a Creation story. SC has a major turning point of the plot as adhering to "the four signs" given by Aslan to define their assignment and as continuing to believe there are: sky (not visible in netherworld), sun (not visible in netherworld), Aslan and Narnia. It relies on credal points as major guides to correct conudct. LB obviously condemns, very hard, any kind of syncretism.

10:39 Speaking of fragile things, I am rather fond of my essays on my blogs, I think they would be somewhat less fragile if they were also printed on paper ...

In 2008-2009 I had got the message that MSN Groups were closing down.

I was not given sufficient time on computers (in Carpentras) to effectively manually one by one copy paste thread after thread from MSN Group Antimodernism to blogs, or even to save all threads on webcitation.

I had on FB befriended a man who said he would do it for me, when a bit later I asked, he said he hadn't understood what I was asking of him - and it turned out he was a freemason.

12:09 Speaking of coming to pass ...

Is there anything reminding anyone of a flying scroll, with the image of a woman anywhere?

Are anyone's houses being burned by it for stealing?

• 1) Satellites do contain information (scroll), they do fly, they do transmit images, often of women.
• 2) You can get an account (a kind of electronic "house" if you will) deleted, this happens by fire, if electricity counts as that, and one offense for which you can get an account deleted is "copyright infringement".

My nightmare for internet "apocalypse" is, more and more power to moderators. More and more people allowed to shut down more and more accounts for smaller and smaller offenses.

However, the actual size of satellites seems not quite to match the proportions of that Biblical prophecy.

Satellite bodies might be considered too small, satellite antennas too big.

Could be about a media satelite not yet launched, though.

[Accounts usually have "home pages" and the concept in Hebrew involves "beth" which means "house", see images below.]

Middle Ages - Warlike or Peaceful? Comparison with Modern War

Why medieval people loved WAR
Shadiversity | 7.IX.2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut1-IgyfVU8

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2:26 "when WW-I broke out everyone cheered, when WW-II broke out, everyone cried"

One guy who didn't cheer in 1914 : Pope St Pius X, who died of broken heart after not stopping WW-I.

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3:04 "mortality rates were so much higher"

Everyone died, and for all except the present generation, this has always been so.

1900, with very few exceptions, everyone died. 1880, with no exception, everyone died. A mortality rate of 100% cannot be topped by Medieval mortality ...

3:10 Don't overdo the difference modern medical technology has done.

1) It's counterbalancing the pandemics of modern communications; 2) the lowering of child mortality (which really was higher) has more to do with advanced hygienic practises, but also with forbidding and stopping people from having children in situations where they cannot afford them; 3) and apart from child mortality, known Medievals seem to have lived perhaps a decade shorter than people today.

My material, gathered from wikis, involve more people the the medical study of 40 - 60 skeleta and assessment on the age when the died, which has been challenged by a dentist making a different assessment.

3:14 How available food was?

Seriously, while starvations happened in episodes, both man made in sieges and acts of God in bad crops, they never reached the murderous proportions of manmade starvations like Irish potato famine (the farmers had been growing wheat which the landlords didn't allow them to eat, bc the contract provided for them to eat potatoes and let landlords sell the wheat in England) or Holodomor (where Ukraine was similarily deprived of the wheat it grew by Soviet policies).

There is no indication that Medievals were permanently starving.

3:26 If you want to see someone worried about freezing to death, look at the next homeless guy - and remember how the Medievals looked at almsgiving, do thou likewise!

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4:58 What you are really after is death was much more public in the Middle Ages.

You have a corpse at home one morning? You call the hospital, an hour later the doctor, after attesting death, gets the corpse to the morgue.

You had a corpse at home one morning then? You did the washing and everything else up to burial, arguably with neighbours and friends helping out.

Similarily with executions, now a man will die in an electric chair or gas chamber with a few officials looking on and then telling news media "yes, the execution happened" while, back then, a hanging or beheading was public, partly because it was in terrorem for other evildoers, and partly because some of the victims might like cheering. Did you notice when Saddam Hussein was hanged? Some tribes in Iraq were dancing and shouting and sending each other dates and toffee and "cors de gazelle" or whatnot.

But in this sense, the Middle Ages are still not over everywhere and weren't over to very recently on the West either.

They might not be over everywhere in the Ozarks. They are not over in Africa. What you refer to as "Middle Ages" is on this item a very much broader thing.

And what adult in our times has not experienced the death at least of some grandparent?

Obviously, often in hospital, so, less close at hand.

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6:24 Are you quite sure the soldiers on the other side were always people just like you?

I mean, in France, the soldiers of English occupant were arguably not married stable guys trying to raise their families, but adventurers who had come to loot your country. Oldcastle, on whom Falstaff is based, is one example.

St Joan of Arc was pretty clear, she didn't know if God loved the "godots" (God wot's!) over in England, she was just sure, He was, through her, chasing them off France.

Obviously they were not drafted normal people.

Look at some volunteers getting back from Iraq, now ISIS is beaten ... I was against ISIS while it lasted, but some of them are looking for any ex-ISIS not regretting (including a married woman, as you may have heard of), and any para-ISIS, any meta-ISIS and so on ... they have been to war for a decade, some of them, and they don't always retain perfectly normal reactions.

I am not saying they should be shut up in mental hospitals, I am just saying, look out a bit ...

One thing, very many wars in the Middle Ages (excluding Crusades) were fairly short things. Chesterton described them as a time when peace could always break out ... if the Christmas of 1914 had been Middle Ages, there might have been peace talks between Kaiser Willy and Clémenceau ongoing from dec 24 to jan 13 ... and they could have succeeded.

But Willy was not a perfect Medieval, neither was Clémenceau. While their religious outlooks differed, neither was a Catholic.

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9:50 You might know that St Thomas Aquinas was born in a noble family which still lives on (Corazón Aquino on Philippines was the wife of some great grand nephew several generations later), so he was born to show one upmanship.

If he didn't quite like getting physical, he clearly did it in argument ... if you have any kind of interest in philosophy, don't miss out on this knight's son and knights' brother gone theologian and friar.

Summa Theologiae http://newadvent.com/summa/

Also helps to give insights on what the Middle Ages were like ....

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12:32 (2*616 if you like) on the "dehumanise and vilify" note, Vikings were (previous to becoming Christians) pretty good at dehumanising monks for "chanting galdr" and "being unmanly" ...

Hence, they were very mercilessly looting ... it seems one who had gone Catholic on Sicily temporarily forbade a Greek monastery to celebrate Greek liturgy, which led to reprisals by Michael Caerularius in Constantinople, which led to schism still ongoing.

What some missed is, the Greek monastery by intervention of bishops and so got back its right to celebrate Greek liturgy.

"about our past"

OK, noted, Russian Revolution, expropriations of German nobility in Slovenia etc are in the past. So is every expropriation which has already happened, and therefore all until the next one happens.

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13:43 Bad people are going to exist in the world all the way up to Harmageddon.

Christian Middle Ages were comparatively mild.

From 13th to 20th C, perhaps with "doldrum" in 15th or 16th, certainly with one in 19th, European wars have taken higher and higher percentages of European population, and 17th C was the record previous to 20th. Perhaps because Thirty Years War

In Roman to Frankish times, probably "defending your country" was less important than defending your faith.

Huns were un-Christian. Visigoths were Arian.

Once it was clear that Clovis was becoming Catholic, there was no big deal, a few arrangements of giving away land to his troops, when he became king. Oh, of course some learning "German or Dutch" as well, characterising his language very anachronistically, but it would have been called Theodisc or Thiudisc ... and your needs of learning it would depend on your ambitions.

People like them learning Latin with an accent was probably one reason why we have Provençal and French losing so many syllables of Latin.

If you say "ego habeo illum librum" as "egoaveoilolibro" you may land at "io ho il livro" a few centuries later. If you say it as "ego-HAV-eoillo-LIV-ro" you are better headed for "j'ai le livr'".

We are again living in times when the Catholic faith has enemies.

14:53 For instance, arguably, up to conversion of Clovis, a victory by him over Roman defenders headed by bishop St Remigius would have looked about as bad as Constantine IX loosing to the Turks, i e, as "Antichrist won".

Apocalypse 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them.

You know, while the Western civilisation was concerned with this, it lasted as a Christian one.

Did Bl. Karl of Austria Use Poison Gas?
Tumblar House | 10.III.2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejyOmKPq9zg

We are told that Woodrow Wilson allowed his navy to use poison gas, that he allowed them to torpedo civilian boats, that he opened the way for Hitler and Stalin by forcing Germans and Austrians to get rid of their monarchs.

And some virtues of Venerable Charles the First. (I am not sure if Pope Michael has made him blessed yet).

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The kind of source who says Charles of Austria used poison gas (bc his ally Willy did), it might be the same kind of source that considers Austrofascists differed from National Socialists in name, but not in deeds ...

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Woodrow Wilson ... do you know what he had more in common with the Kaiser?

The Kaiser sent Lenin on a train to Russia.

Wilson (probably) sent Trotski on a plane to Russia.

I once calculated some abbreviation of it (Woodrow Wilson) as either 666 or 616, but I seem to have forgot how, might want to try with Atbash cipher and Albam cipher ... before applying ASCII of course.

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3:31 Isn't there a statue of Wilson next to his ally Trotski?

You know, the gentleman who allowed Makhnow to kill off some Czarist troups and then killed of Makhnow, the fine civilised type who recruited the proto-type of KGB (CheKa, back then, right?) from the Rayon, where lots of Jews who had felt bad about being second rate citizens if as much were eager to get "even" with Christians.

Skin-Walkers, Shapeshifters, Odinist Idols

When Coulomb Comments on Catholic North Lands · Skin-Walkers, Shapeshifters, Odinist Idols

Skin-walkers
Tumblar House | 2.III.2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHZJRf-1hfA

I happen to have a Catholic author to add to the previous list of Catholic Scandinavia - or two, a Norwegian subject residing on Iceland and a Dane clearly favouring Valdemar Atterdag.

It's the Dane, Saxo Grammaticus, who has most to say on this subject, and if you believe Odin coming to Uppsala and Bödvar Bjarke's fylgia appearing and so, here are two things related.

• 1) Odin was able to look like he had just died (no breathing or heartbeats visible) and, when waking up, to shift shape to a vulture and fly away.
• 2) When Bödvar Bjarke slept, his fylgia, shaped like a bear, was fighting for him (and fighting better than he), meaning, his protégé Hjalte (formerly Hött) does a mistake in waking him up in the final battle.

The fylgia is easiest to explain. Some kind of angelic (or elfin) being was sometimes showing. Fallen or not fallen.

Now, that one would be a different person from Bödvar himself.

Odin ... I tend to think he knew the arts of fakirs including hypnosis.

His pseudo-dead state ... fakirs sometimes do that.

His appearance as a vulture flying away? If one observer regularly observing this was sufficiently important, this would spread. Poor Gylfe, last monarch previous to Odin, could have been hypnotised, deeply, and Odin abused it to give this impression.

As to any less important person NOT so hypnotised seeing Odin rise up normally, well, I guess you know H. C. Andersen's Emperor's Knew Clothes ...? With the added incentive to comply, that not doing so might land him on the sacrificial list. You know, Odinism did - like Druidism - involve human sacrifice.

By the way, Bödvar, who considered Odin as giver of victory and loss in battle, fairly appropriately called him a traitor. Perhaps one of the truest words a Pagan said of his false gods ... though not for the reason Bödvar imagined.

Compared to that, Snorre (the Icelander / Norwegian) has less to say on shapeshifting, but the behaviour of his historic Odin (the one starting Yngling dynasty after deluding Gylfe) seems to involve invisibility in the perception of, precisely one man, Gylfe.

I think Charles can imagine exacly how this was arranged. If not, ask John Cerbone.

The non-historic Odin is of course Odin's self-representation, as having formerly killed a monster with his two brothers and created the world from it, and man and woman from two trees trunks.

Don't you believe a Swede could be sufficiently stupid to believe that?

Well, look at Reformation, Enlightenment and Social Democracy in Sweden!

The latter involved an episode c. 40 years long, of enforced sterilisations. Lapps and gipsies targetted.

You know, "believing doctrines of demons" and all that. And of course, "ab aquilone pandetur malum supra terram".

Btw, what do you consider as best among my theories on identity of Odin?

• 1) A Druid, fleeing from Julius Caesar? One whose Teutates' name was Nodens, changing it to Vodens and playing the part?
• 2) Yeshu Ben Pekharia (if that is how he was called) whom some Jews later confused with Our Lord Jesus Christ?

Odin very arguably DID found an idolatrous cult.

His son probably in some fashion played the part of a thundergod.

And the sons of Zebedee are also called "Boanerges" (which does not linguistically mean "sons of thunder") and why? "Because sons of thunder". Like Our Lord teasing them on their father or grandfather having been adored as an idol (but repented, otherwise he would not be back in Holy Land), and them responding by moaning like oxen (that is what boanerges does mean!)

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[When Coulomb Comments on Catholic North Lands · Skin-Walkers, Shapeshifters, Odinist Idols]

Catholic Scandinavia
Tumblar House | 23.II.2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLsuVozkEds

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St. Bridget is major Apocalyptic literature, next to the Bible, for one?

She also showed criticising a Pope doesn't mean you are not Catholic (though in her case, the criticism was from Christ, not from her personally, and He did back it up, since every time she prediected someone would die, he died - I had this from my Latin professor, now he has died himself some time ago, who was an atheist and considered her "schizophreniac").

Oh, yeah, a saint to show against atheists who are at ease with considering a Catholic schizophreniac too (as mentioned in previous aside).

Or St Olaf, descending from Odin and Frey ... shows you don't need to be an Antichrist just because your family is, and you don't have to worship Antichrists just because they are blood relations.

As to pre-Catholic Scandinavia, I think the story of Beowulf may have inspired Anglo-Saxon missionary St Sigfrid to come over and baptise some of us ...

You know that line where Geats sitting around the pond where Beowulf has dived down an hour earlier when confronted to the irrationality replied "Geats know how to wait, when wan is hope" / "when gone is hope".

I suspect there was one listener who said they behaved better than the 12, and decided "they SHALL be Christian". You know, the "non Angli sed angeli" theme.

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2:03 I hear you have been reading Halldór Laxness!

3:02 You saw Queen Christina's grave in Church of St Peter?

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3:22 An example even better than Queen Christina. Steno.

Founder of geology, and as CMI like to note, a perfectly orthodox Genesis believing Flood Geologist.

What they less note, he was converting bc of Real Presence, and he became a missionary bishop in Denmark and North Germany, and died from the strain of cold and hunger.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Steno#Religious_studies

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4:03 "People discovering their own heritage"

A bit like Anglo-Catholics, I was one for about a year, from age 15 to 16 or so. Planning to convert collectively with these guys, then deciding to convert a bit more rapidly.

Another one who decided not to wait for them is Stephan Borgehammar, author of How the Holy Cross was Found.

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Heliand and a Catholic bishop of Brandenburg are technically speaking somewhat South of Scandinavia ... may I recommend the Swedish history by Olaus Magnus?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olaus_Magnus

It's in Latin, and while an archbishop of Uppsala, he was such in Rome, like a certain bishop of Geneva was so in Annecy. (St. François de Sales, pray for us!)

Fun fact, wikipedians have placed him as having Laurentius Petri as "successor."

Laurentius Petri was one of two brothers who had studied under Luther, so he was hardly a successor on either one's view.

Olaus began his real rule (though of limited social effect, due to exile) in 4 June 1544. Laurentius Petri had begun his socially vastly more effective pseudo-rule (by appointment of King, not Pope), back in 1531.

... on Great Monarch and on End Times (ft. Coulombe)

The Great Catholic Monarch & the End Times
Tumblar House | 7.IX.2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKWHz9mNKQ8

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2:33 "both Habsburg and Bourbon"?

As far as I know, that is not specified in Holzhauser.

Descending from both St Louis the IX and German Emperors is, but the Wittelsbach's in his day already fulfilled that criterium.

Obviously, Louis XVII fulfilled it in the shape of Bourbon descent from St Louis and Habsburg descent from German Emperors.

So, if Nauendorff should be genuine (that would mean a mitochondrial test on Karl Wilhelm Nauendorff and Marie Antoinette already conducted was either a fraud of bungled, but that is not quite impossible), that would perhaps be best candidate, after that you get Wittelsbachs (you know three Wittelsbach men and one Wittelsbach woman ruled Sweden, once? They are same branch as the Wittlesbachs now claiming Bavaria, next in line being as I recall a Liechtenstein, and that to the Stuart heritage as well).

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4:58 Why wait for Game of Thrones?

I delight in Branduardi, but he was participating in an Italian emission which was very much referring to Hell (to his credit, as a faun kidnapped by demons, not as a demon, but still). Heard of Stryx?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stryx

Then again, False Prophet and Beast will definitely represent the Devil, and it is very probable they will be ... doing so on TV.

As for seeing, "ten horns" seems a bit like referring to cogwheels, then you have "teeth and claws of iron" ...

By the way, when it came to ASCII, I think St John both saw it and got it explained.

We know the numeric sum of the letters is 666 (at least if St Irenaeus is credible in discounting alternatives like 616), and we also know that while Greek, Hebrew and some Latin letters were used as numbers, by now (binary) numbers are used for letters in computers. The capital and lower case usually differing by 32.

13:18 is kind of a short resumé.

On my view, Moses when reading or hearing the recital of Babel from ancestors was asking "what where they trying to do?" and God showed him Cape Canaveral or Bajkonur, and he wrote "a tower, the top of which may reach heaven". You see, three step rockets are oblong long vertical axis, and only top "storey" reaches deep space ....

As I brought up Cape Canaveral, one can still see and hear Kennedy's speach "it's not because it is easy" ... in reference to that project.

Was the devil speaking through JFK that day?

III

7:31 I'd have to disagree on "that's not what it's for".

Why were people so desperate to save Roman Gaul from Franks up to when Clovis converted?

Well, the fact is, St Augustine and Orosius had commented on St Paul's prophecy in Thessalonians that the office of Roman Emperor was what held back. This meaning, that if a clearly non-Roman government came about, Antichrist would fairly well have an easy time.

Now, fast forward to 1917. Austrian Emperor was, via Charlemagne, a heir of Clovis. Similarily, the Charlemagne business may have inspired Russia to take over Imperial claim after 1453. So, Russian Czar Nicolas was also a heir of ... the guy who gave Clovis the dignity of Patrician.

Nicolas II and Charles I (Charles the Last) are taken out of the way.

And if Lenin was not Antichrist in person, he clearly prefigured him. In a longterm view of "seven kings", the list of "Seven Satanic Kings" starting with Nimrod ... as Nero and Domitian are both good candidates for the sixth King (after Antiochus and excepting Herod who was a corrupt Israelite), the candidates for "seventh" are either Hitler or Lenin. I think Lenin fits just a bit even better.

If you look at his first name, you can figure out who might be "the eighth and one of the seven". At present there is no politician with the first name Adolf, but if that's your preference for "seventh Satanic King" well, the guy has been somewhat likened to Hitler as well ...

Point is, when St Remigius thought opposing a Pagan and non-Roman Clovis so important that he even stepped into Syagrius' shoes, though resisting invasions was a lay office, he was precisely running his "business" on prophetic terms, and it turns out, he saved the world from the march on Harmageddon for 14 centuries or so.

Some guys think (as of John had his prophecy from Apollo and not from God) that believing the Apocalypse is likely to start a march to Harmageddon. Precisely not, by believing it, St Remigius was halting that downhill march to a precipice for centuries to come. While St Bridget and her more pious contemporaries or some of them were alarmed over Antichrist risking to come, the danger was less than it is now.

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9:00 In fact, those claiming St Augustine did prophecy the Great Monarch cite one place (which could also be spurious as far as I know as yet) of his saying the Roman Empire could come into the hands of a Frank ... in his time they were Pagans, and then comes Clovis.

Meaning of course, his view does not necessarily imply a Great Monarch now, since it could have been already fulfilled 1500 years ago.

"Mitis depone colla Sigamber" (that might even have been St Augustine's actual term) "incende quod adorasti, adora quod incendisti".

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10:46 If you are around in Ireland (or possibly New York State), about seven years before Doomsday, St Patrick might be arranging for your drowning with a whole country instead of facing what you are talking about ... it seems he felt the Irish would be in need of about same kind of grace to be spared those days ...

Biblical Errors - no such thing

Unless you mean errors in one specific or even more than one specific manuscript of the Bible.

Biblical Errors
Tumblar House | 11.III.2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY9BAOd_XPs

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3:47 Are there Church Fathers saying there are real discrepancies or such saying there are apparent ones?

I'd like to see you point to a specific text in this selection:

The Fathers of the Church (NewAdvent site)
http://newadvent.com/fathers/

Meanwhile, here is one saying there are apparent ones but no real contradictions:

The Harmony of the Gospels (St. Augustine)
http://newadvent.com/fathers/1602.htm

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4:01 "Biblical inspiration does not mean everything was dictated by the Holy Ghost."

Depends on which book. But even in cases the hagiographer was a historian, making a human effort to know history, like arguably Moses for most of Genesis (though he was direct prophet for 1:1-2:4), like definitely St Luke, we can depend on the Holy Ghost not letting any factual errors slip through either in the autograph or in all preserved versions.

Suppose Emmaus was not just politically and socially but also geographically same place as modern Amwaz. Now, Amwaz is 160 stades or 32 km from Jerusalem, Emmaus is 60 stades or 12 km from Jerusalem in St Luke ... most preserved versions. But there is a Syriac manuscript which actually says 160 stades. This could be the one trace of the autograph.

On the other hand, there are other possibilities, Emmaus was arguably destroyed in year 70 AD and then rebuilt when Christians came back from Pella (in Jordan, not in Macedonia, to clarify). Now, for St Cleopas, Roman Martyrology says he is buried in Emmaus. If he has a grave in Amwaz, it could have happened like this, St Cleopas was martyred outside Emmaus as to its pre-70 location, and then Emmaus (modern Amwaz) was rebuilt around his grave. By Christians. Hailing from old Emmaus, which had been 20 km or 100 stades closer to Jerusalem.

I mean, for a papal definition, you will hold it is free from error, and yet you do not consider the Holy Ghost actually dictates it, reducing the Pope to his secretary. Why? Bc you believe in providence. While a Pope and while St Luke had free will, they also had an intention to say the truth, now, with that intention, saying sth untrue would have been praeter intentionem. This being so, God can have simply preserved either of them from stumbling praeter intentionem. This involves no violation of their freewill, as they were not intending to teach error either of them.

... on Calvinistic OT Canard

Is the Old Testament Calvinistic?
Tumblar House | 15.VIII.2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0XFnoz_H3E

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Starting with a dialogue, before my own comments:

Nick J

After each of the first five plagues in Egypt it simply reads, "And Pharao's heart was hardened, and he did not let the people go."

But it is specified after the second plague came to an end, the plague of frogs, that "Pharao seeing that rest was given, hardened his own heart, and did not hear them, as the Lord had commanded" (Ex 8:15).

It is not until the sixth plague, the plague of boils, that it tells us, "And the Lord hardened Pharao's heart, and he hearkened not unto them, as the Lord had spoken to Moses" (Ex 9:12). That was also the first time his magicians were powerless to compete.

So he had at least five chances, after having already brutally oppressed the Israelites and had all their newborn males killed, before God then confirmed Pharao's choice for him.

Throne and Altar

When it says that God hardened Pharaoh's heart it isn't being literal. God simply allowed Pharaoh to have his way. I'll try to find the sources but other passages in the OT refer to Pharaoh hardening his own heart.

1 Sam 6:6 - Why do you harden your hearts, as Egypt and Pharao hardened their hearts? did not he, after he was struck, then let them go, and they departed?

We can think of God hardening Pharaoh's heart in a passive way. If I say, "you're making me hungry", are you literally creating hunger within me?

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@Throne and Altar "it isn't being literal."

It is, as for activity.

"God simply allowed Pharaoh to have his way."

Same thing.

"other passages in the OT refer to Pharaoh hardening his own heart."

So did previous passages in Exodus, about first five plagues, as Nick J noted.

I had totally forgotten that aspect.

"before God then confirmed Pharao's choice for him."

Exactly so. Thank you, @Nick J

Now

for my own comments. So far without dialogue (except with video / Charles A. Coulombe).

II

"In a way that wasn't possible in the old testament."

No where in the OT does it say "no one except God can forgive sin".

However, neither is anyone given a hint someone else can either. The kohanim couldn't, what prefigured confession was distinguishing leprosy from non leprosy. That was a hygienic, not a moral issue. Meaning one could draw a kind of empiric conclusion, kind of inductive reasoning that no one except God could.

Which conclusion in the NT we gather that the Pharisees had reasoned, and we read they were considering God in the Flesh a blasphemer because of this.

Hence the Calvinist attack on confession, and of absolution being a "name of blasphemy" never mind Our Lord instituted it in John 20:21-23.

They will say "no one except God" and miss Our Lord cured the lame to prove "the Son of Man can forgive Sin". The power did not just belong to Him as God, it also belonged to Him as Man. And He was free to hand it on, esp. when we consider "as the Father has sent me, I send you". [John 20:21, so in the passage where absolution is instituted]

And yes, Calvinism very much mirrors post-Temple Judaism, in being a religion of Scripture, Exegesis and Morals, but with nearly no cult beyond bans, beyond being forbidden to do some things.

This is also (in a diluted way or identic or exaggerated way) true of other Protestants.

Note however, post-Temple or Rabbinic Judaism is not the religion of the Old Testament.

III

5:31 "that reinforced the resemblance between Calvinism and the Old Testament"

No, Sir!

Between Calvinism and post-Temple Judaism, which is as little the religion of OT as Calvinism is that of NT.

IV

5:59 God meant He was withdrawing from Pharao the graces of conversion.

Before that, God might have given to Pharao some grace of conversion (which is actual graces, not sanctifying grace) which he rejected, then God decided, no more grace for that heart = it is hard, set on what it had decided without God.

I did not see Nick J had noted exactly same thing in better supported detail.

Charles on Confederacy, with My Questions

Charles on Confederacy

Charles's Confederate Sympathies
Tumblar House | 11.VII.2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3oUnc-Xbbk

My comments

which include some questions;

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English abolitionism : Wilberforce, whose sons include one Creationist outspoken "bishop" opposed to Huxley and two (at least) converts to Catholicism.

New England abolitionism : slave traders lost an income ... oh, let the South lose one too.

Hmmmm ... I wonder if the French law on this issue only makes it illegal to defend the New England slave traders or the Southron post-slave trade owners too ...

I recall the terms were "esclavagisme transatlantique" ... sounds like Transatlantic slave trade to me, and I haven't heard Alain Sanders got into legal trouble for his being pro-Robert E. Lee so far, since the legislation was passed ...

II

I suppose you have read Jonah Hex?

In Sweden, his comic, when I was small, was in the albums for Tomahawk ...

III

"When abortion is no longer profitable" ... that sounds like it would be the day when a man or a man's son who has a position and seduced a girl of 13 no longer has to totally hide the fact, but can marry her.

By contrast, in Sweden any man having any feeling for a girl under 15 and expressing it is a big no no, officially, unless he's about her age (in which case he is not in a position to marry her, in today's Sweden, where he is still forced to go to school and can hardly get a job except part time).

Now, Swedes would be included in any "international collaboration against pedophilia" and they would typically (I'm a Sweden but as typical in Sweden as you in US, i e not very) consider lowering marital age back from where Italy and Soviet Russia raised it a pedophile tendency and they also would solve under age pregnancies by allowing abortion.

See why I am against "international collaboration against pedophilia" and as I recall how I unfriended you years ago on FB, unless that's a Mandela effect, you had invited me to such a group - if you are no longer into that cause, we can easily be friends again, from my part, but I do not want to even backhandedly support abortion ... and you were supporting a cause which was making it profitable.

"but can marry her." = "but can marry her or have son marry her"

Sorry, I got too little sleep this night ...

And obviously, a man whose son has slept with someone has no business marrying her himself ...

IV

Can I resume your position that American slavery was more Transatlantic and more cruel in Chicago than in Charleston, like African slavery was no doubt more cruel in Khartoum than in Juffuree? (As also more trading ....)

V

6:25 "free Creoles of colour in Louisiana"

You mean, the story of Chicken George would have been impossible there?

VI

8:00 I am so reminded that Lafayette's friend and mentor George Washington told him the time was not ripe for abolishing slavery (Laf, for short, was obviously from a non-slavery France) and Laf accepted it.

George Rex did not in any way, shape or form pose as a mentor to either Wilberforce or his sons, but also did not tell Wilberforce (too long at least) that the time was not ripe ... Wilberforce was probably behind the abolition of slave trade in US too, insofar as it was either dependent on English ships or even on English colonies or near colonies in Africa, where Wilberforce's action had at least some effect ...

Am I getting this totally wrong, now ...? Cause and effect in this story ... ?

Or can I with good conscience say Wilberforce was a better man than Laf ... ?

VII

20:25 Jim crow laws were probably never a thing in Louisiana.

They lived on to 1965.

If the Confederacy had won or not been attacked, do you think slavery might have been abolished by sth like Robert E. Lee imitating the Emperor of Brazil? Without any racism after it, like Brazil has no legal racism or racialism (the thing is bad even if Trotsky called it bad, but I prefer to call it by the older non-Trotsky name ...)?

Or would Emperor of Brazil not have been sufficiently inspired by the Czar releasing the serfs to give that example?

Charles A. Coulombe Wavering on the Flood Issue

Four Creeds referred to in video : Apostlic, Nicene, Athanasian and Trentine, I suppose.

Noah & the Flood
Tumblar House | 23.II.2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OILJ1RPbSU

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1:55 Charles, you were exemplary ... it is that "Father" who should have been either recanting or (back in those days) being put on a bonfire, personally, or if he escaped to non-Catholic territory (well, that is where he was) by proxy of a haydoll.

II

2:45 ... I said you were exemplary ...

http://ppt.li/3zo

III

6:45 "maybe the standard view of fossilisation generally is right"

By fossilisation, we usually mean permineralisation. Creationists (Kent Hovind on some videos, notably - and I just checked CMI too) have documented cases of rapid such (linking to CMI, before reading):

http://creation.com/make-no-bones-about-it

The reason fossils are supposed to support long age and evolution is actually another one, which I deal with here:

http://ppt.li/3zp

Extended links

http://ppt.li/3zo = Creation vs. Evolution : Can Six Days or Eve from Side of Adam be a Metaphor?
http://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2018/06/can-six-days-or-eve-from-side-of-adam.html

CMI : Make no bones about it!
May 28, 2000
http://creation.com/make-no-bones-about-it

http://ppt.li/3zp = Creation vs. Evolution : Archaeology vs Vertabrate Palaeontology in Geology
http://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2016/06/archaeology-vs-vertabrate-palaeontology.html

Austrofascism, as Some Call It ... and Italian Fascism

Fascism
Tumblar House | 8.XII.2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8OS-e3xEHw

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On a topic related to America and Italy.

Are all or most Americans from Tierra del Fuego to Newfoundland and Alaska descended from Amerigo Vespucci or namesakes of him or disciples of other Aymerics, like Anne Catherine Emmerich?

Or could it be they are only called Americans after living between Tierra del Fuego, Newfoundland, Alaska and that place having its name after an Emmerick whose Italian pronunciation of it was Amerigo ... the mapmaker Vespucci?

You see, that case is a bit parallel to whether Palestinians are called so because Philistines (they aren't, at least except marginally), or whether they are called so from Palestine, the Roman name imposed in memory of Philistines, while themselves being Israelites.

II

Nobody else?

I think Dollfuss didn't look too mournful over sharing the label with Mussolini and even Finzi.

Calcandi Serpentes

As Catholics we have a lot more in common with fascism than any other secular political belief.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

I suppose you consider Distributism as a directly Catholic, then?

III

[Benito Mussolini named after Juarez, since Italian for Bennett is Benedetto was mentioned by Charles A. Coulombe:]

Speaking of Benedetto. The ASCII value of BENEDETTO, as of Portuguese PAPABENTO, is ... matching the Greek gematria for BENEdIKTOC ... (sorry, can't copy paste proper Greek spelling from Greek wiki, the firefox in Nanterre University Library won't allow that). In other words, it matches Apocalypse 13:18.

B 66 060 06
E 69 120 15
N 78 190 23
E 69 250 32
D 68 310 40
E 69 370 49
T 84 450 53
T 84 530 57
O 79 600 66

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12:22 In fact, the corporativist view on shoe industry working together for the common good is one which was in fact shared by Christian Social Party as well as Italian Fascism, National Socialism and I think also Peronismo.

Partly, but not totally even by Swedish Social Democrats : LO would be for "we want higher wages", but if they went to strike to long, SAP governments would tell them "you go to a table with your employers".

It does make some sense to call that strategy fascism, insofar as Benito Mussolini was for it once he had hit down the Communist Unions ... (dopo il biennio rosso) and before either Hitler or Dollfuss took power in 1933 or Saltsjöbad deals were signed in 1938 or Perón got elected in 1946.

I also honour the mayor of Assisi who collaborated with Father Ruffino Niccacci to save Jews because he was a Fascist of the early days recalling when Jews were even overrepresented and considering Salò Republic was a puppet régime with Hitler pulling the strings.

And I honour a socialist adversary to whom I expressed my objection to class struggle and my preference for harmony between classes - he said "harmony between the classes is fascism" and I replied "then I'm a fascist".

Meaning of course, while I think you have a right to not call Christian socials fascists, I think it is somewhat pedantic to exact this same behaviour of everyone else (unless you are a Habsburg ... if you have Otto's word, I'll assume I'll ... if not enthusiastically obey at least try to not disobey too much ...)

No, I am of course not using "Austrofascist" of people I dislike. I consider myself an Austrofascist myself, unless Otto von Habsburg or his heirs were to actually forbid me to use that word of Christlich Soziale Partei ...

One thing they did wrong, though - the camp for tramps. Yes, it was not a labour camp or a death camp, but it falsified the labour market by forcing tramps to look for work ... and I am not surprised it was made in Oberösterreich (that is where Hitler came from and there is even a fossile whale there - a monster from before the deluge, you know like that horror that swallowed Jonah and the one that swallowed Pinocchio ...) ... but apart from that, I am a fan of Austrofascism - or to call things by proper names, of course, Christian Socials ...

... side notes with Charles A. Coulombe

Off the Menu: Episode 14
Tumblar House
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9mvubwkvww

"Ajoutée le 16 déc. 2016

Charles takes questions on Saul Alinsky, the French Revolution, Catholicism in France, separation of church and state, and the Syllabus of Errors."

Charles A. Coulombe is a man I unfriended (FB-wise) over this question:

New blog on the kid : The Ideology Behind Wallström's Words Is One Reason I Left Sweden
http://nov9blogg9.blogspot.fr/2017/01/the-ideology-behind-wallstroms-words-is.html

He had joined and I refused to join a cause called "international fight against pedophilia", because I felt the INTERNATIONAL aspect of it would introduce lands who were wrong about the thing that essay is about. Apart from that, I consider him as a decent guy.

2:07 Lucifer/Satan "first Radical"? C'mon, he was the first WHIG! "Radical" is too unspecific. Besides, creating as opposed to not creating might be seen as somewhat more radical as a measure than rebelling against one's own and everyone else's Creator.

[At a description of Adam and Eve's fall as first democratic act:]

Adam and Eve could not outvote Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

5:44 Evangelistas also talk about Paradise and Fall.

Neo-Catholics or Cathomodernists don't.

[Just because I said that, I saw a video where Robert Barron does! Saw as in saw in the sidebar, have not seen it yet.]

Creation vs. Evolution : Catholicism is Creationist - even if Hekatolykism isn't
http://creavsevolu.blogspot.fr/2017/01/catholicism-is-creationist-even-if.html

Creation vs. Evolution : Two Clarifications on Good and Bad Liturgy
http://creavsevolu.blogspot.fr/2017/01/two-clarifications-on-good-and-bad.html 

25:52 [About liberal French clergy going sth like:] "it doesn't really matter what you believe, as long as you are nice"

Do you think that has sth to do with Lustiger being dedicated to saying Jews can be saved without conversion, for certain reasons?

27:50 [On his observation that every state has a state church, not necessarily the right one:]

Do you think France has Evolutionism as State Church?

Speaking of which:

Creation vs. Evolution : Science vs Pseudo-Science?
http://creavsevolu.blogspot.fr/2017/01/science-vs-pseudo-science.html

31:29 Apostolic, Nicene-Constantinopolitan, St Athanasius' Creed, and Trentine Creed, which is Nicene-Constantinopolitan with additions.

Some dioceses also enjoy the Creed of First Council of Toledo?

Here:

Credimus in unum verum Deum Patrem et Filium et Spiritum Sanctum, visibilium et invisibilium factorem, per quem creata sunt omnia in caelo et in terra. Hunc: unum Deum et hanc unam esse divinae substantiae Trinitatem. Patrem autem non esse ipsum Filium, sed habere Filium qui Pater non sit. Filium non esse Patrem sed Filium Dei de Patris esse natura. Spiritum quoque Paraclitum esse, qui nec Pater sit ipse nec Filius, sed a Patre Filioque procedens. Est ergo ingenitus Pater, genitus Filius, non genitus Paraclitus sed a Patre Filioque procedens. Pater est cui vox haec est audita de caelis: Hic est Filius meus in quo bene conplacui; ipsum audite. Filius est qui ait: Ego a Patre exivi et a Deo veni in hunc mundum. Paraclitus Spiritus est de quo Filius ait: Nisi abiero ego ad Patrem, Paraclitus non veniet ad vos. Hanc Trinitatem personis distinctam, substantiam unitam virtute et potestate et maiestate indivisibilem, indeferentem. Praeter hanc nullam credimus divinam esse naturam, vel angeli vel spiritus, vel virtutis alicuius quae Deus esse credatur. Hunc igitur Filium Dei Deum natum a Patre ante omne omnino principium sanctificasse uterum Mariae virginis, atque ex ea verum hominem sine virili generatum semine suscepisse, duabus dumtaxat naturis, id est deitatis et carnis, in unam convenientibus omnino personam, id est dominum nostrum lesum Christum; nec imaginarium corpus aut fantasmatis alicuius in eo fuisse, sed solidum atque verum; hunc et esurisse et sitisse et doluisse et flevisse et omnis corporis iniurias pertulisse. Postremo a iudaeis crucifixum et sepultum et tertia die resurrexisse. Conversatum postmodum cum discipulis suis quadragesima post resurrectionem die ad caelum ascendisse. Hunc filium hominis etiam Dei filium dici; filium autem Dei Deum hominis filium appellari. Resurrectionem vero futuram humanae credimus carni; animan autem hominis non divinam esse substantiam aut Dei partem, sed creaturam dicimus divina voluntate creatam.

An English translation available here:

Trento - Philaret (Catechisms) : Filioque far older than III Council of Toledo
http://trentophilaret.blogspot.fr/p/filioque-far-older-than-iii-council-of.html

Which also has a Spanish one taken from:

Concilio de Toledo I (año 397-400)
http://www.filosofia.org/cod/c0397t01.htm

34:56 If a Pope contradicts prior infallible teaching ... he might have made a slip of the tongue or pen (and be correcting it as soon as someone points it out as some saint did with John XXII)? Or ... he might be a non-Catholic, hence a non-Pope?