CSL, Medieval Thought, Stars and Planets

Narnia and the Christmas Star | Narnia Lore Explained
Into the Wardrobe | 26 Nov. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cnBLJkbxzI

2:47 Apart from a Bishop of Paris defining in 1277 that stars aren't actually alive or to angels like flesh is to our soul, how do you know, they are not alive in our world?

Or were you using "cosmology" in the sense of "current model of"?

3:08 How do you know light years even exist, in our world?

Apart from blind trust in experts and "current model of cosmology" that is ...

6:01 Plato and early Medieval Macrobius (who may have been a Pagan) considered stars were alive.

What we see is to a kind of sentient being, like what flesh and skin are to our souls.

Aristotle and Scholasticism (Thomas and Stephen Tempier were not Pagans) considered stars were moved by angels.

What we see is to an angel, like a bike is to a cyclist.

8:40 While the primum mobile (I think St. Thomas considers this as sphere of fix stars not above it) receives its (daily) movement from God in a non-mechanic way, as a direct result of God's will (like a planet moving through its sphere receives that (larger periodic) movement from the angel, like the Sun moving full circle eastward in relation to primum mobile in one year), the transfer down, as I read Aristotle and Thomas, was mechanic.

I think this point, invisible crystalline spheres that touch each other and transfer the daily movement down, since then disproven by Tycho Brahe, may have been the one item where St. Thomas on that famous occasion felt all his works were like straw. He presumably felt he had strawmanned St. Paul's proof of God from Geocentrism (Romans 1) in his own version of Prima Via.

8:45 The idea that the Primum Mobile was compelled by the love of God is actually a position which would probably fall under condemnations in 1277, the Averroistic slant to Aristotle (inherent in the Philisopher himself, though Thomas preferred glossing over that).

That's the kind of position held by people like Boethius of Dacia and Siger of Brabant. Now, to be fair, Dante doesn't judge their heterodoxy the way Tempier did.

No, in St. Thomas, the Primum Mobile is moved by a direct act of God ... just as in St. Paul. That's why Geocentrism and the succession of days proves God's power inexhaustible.

9:00 Would you mind giving me the reference in St. Thomas?

I know Latin and can look it up in Opera Omnia. If CSL stated Thomas held this, he may have misread a Quaestio form and mistaken an objection (videtur quod) for what Thomas really held (respondeo esse dicendum). Obviously, it's ages since I read The Discarded Image, so, I'm not trying to correct you on CSL.

[To the poem, I object not]

Disagreeing with CMI

Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Disagreeing with CMI · Creation vs. Evolution: Disagreeing with CMI on Two Items of Biblical History

Were the pyramids built during the Ice Age?
Creation Ministries International | 18 Oct. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VziwDYy2NWE

Disagree.

1) Flood in 2957 BC, death of Noah 2607 BC, Babel = Göbekli Tepe, birth of Peleg 2556 BC, Abraham born 2015 BC.
2) Ice age is a set of carbon dates that come before Babel.
3) The carbon dated 7500 BC is after Babel and that's not the pyramids, that's Nabta Playa.

"The Nazlet Khater skeleton was found in 1980 and given an age of 33,000 years in 1982, based on nine samples ranging between 35,100 and 30,360 years old."

The wide range of carbon dates within the body is obviously because he lived in an atmosphere where C14 was rising.

30,360 BP = 28,360 BC

2892 BC
4.487* pmC, dated as 28,552 BC**

So, 60 years after the Flood or we have a reservoir effect.

* Back then. 2892 + 2025 = 4917 years. 0.5^(4917/5730) = 0.551673, 4.487 * 0.551673 = 2.475. By now a sample from 2892 BC has only 2.475 pmC.
** Extracted from the table in Newer Tables, Flood to Joseph in Egypt

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Narnia's Scariest Scenes | Narnia Lore
Into the Wardrobe | 23 Oct. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwkPXLO_od4

Perhaps Tash is my ultimate hint that Göbekli Tepe is Nimrod's Babel.

Recall the bird man pillar in one of the enclosures?

Looks a bit like Tash (except it hasn't six arms). Now, what is being depicted there? There is a ceramic depiction in Çatal Höyyük, which pretty visibly involves headless bodies and vultures. The depicted thing is a horizontal man, looking vertical on the pillar, but not on the ceramics, with a vulture on top of a neck hole where there was a head.

That's basically what one could expect from Nimrod.

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Into the Wardrobe | 18 Febr. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5b3YrGseUE

However, the latest video is from three weeks ago.

Hope he's OK./HGL

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The Hidden Meaning of Names in Narnia Explained | Narnian Lore | Into the Wardrobe
Into the Wardrobe, 11 Sept. 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FngFX5qNcgY

Well, now ...

Narnian Technology

Narnian Technology is Weird | Narnia Explained
Into the Wardrobe | 30 Nov. 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQtlelGeK6w

Fitting to put this out on Uncle Andrew's Patron Saint's day. It was St. Andrew's yesterday.

0:38 There is actually a very large portion of history with a technology stuck around Neolithic~Medieval.

The Upper Palaeolithic is just 350 years after the Flood, the recent Industrialism has just been for 350 years too.

2:34 The printing press?

Were the books in Coriakin's library printed?

3:04 Fireworks and astrolabes ARE Medieval.

The two things that do stand out are the iron stove and the sewing machine.

[Tried to add]

Queen Helen, as you mentioned, makes sense.

7:29 Not just beginning of Antiquity and end of Middle Ages, but even more (and I think CSL would have agreed), between Nimrod's Babel (Neolithic) and England just before the Industrial Revolution.

However, in Nimrod's Babel, the speed was comparable to now. 20 000 BC to 6000 BC (which covers a bit more than just Babel on either side) seems like 14 000 years in carbon dates. But if 20 000 BC* is really between 2738 BC and 2712 BC, with a low initial carbon 14 in each sample, and 6000 BC** is really 2318 BC, that means that the Neolithic Revolution, which recovered some pre-Flood technology, was just taking 400 years and some. That's comparable to our speed.

Notes:

* See:

2738 BC

11.073 / 11.069 pmC, so dated 20938 BC

2712 BC

17.576 pmC, so dated 17062 BC

Other Revision of I-II ?

** See:

2318 BC

63.914 pmC, so dated 6018 BC

The Revision of I-II, II-III, III-IV May be Unnecessary, BUT Illustrates What I Did When Doing the First Version of New Tables

Dialogue:

Esmeralda Pendragon

@Esmeralda.Pendragon

In Narnia, technology does not progress compared to the world in which the Pevensies live, because too much technology wears down relationships between human beings.

Nowadays we no longer communicate verbally with each other, but only via technology.


This is why CS Lewis did not want to contaminate Narnia with modernism, outside of a few small tools such as the glasses, Mrs. Beaver's sewing machine, the clock, the street lamp and a few other things.

It also demonizes magic which is the root of all evil, which is why heroes are Noble Knights and perfectly normal.

What emerges most is life in nature, the cohesion and mutual collaboration of all the protagonists.

That's why I love this Saga.

Yesterday there was the commemoration of the day of birth of C S Lewis on 29 November 1898, and died on 22 November 1963.

See you soon. 💥

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@hglundahl

"Nowadays we no longer communicate verbally with each other, but only via technology."

Some are in fact stopped from communicating via technology.

One of my comments, at least, was removed, because I couldn't make a follow up comment under it.

The people I'd communicate with, if I did NOT have internet access would mostly be the kind of people who have been harrassing me over what I do on the internet. People who would treat me as a recovering addict, featuring internet addiction, because I love defending the Catholic truth. Or people who think I'm mentally confused about what Catholicism is, because I'm Young Earth Creationist (I also don't believe the "Popes" of the CCC and of Father Cantalamessa have been real popes, they have come down heavily on the side of Deep Time and Theistic Evolution, which to my mind makes them heretics).

In other words, the internet is my breath of air.

It is repairing lots of wounds in other people too, who are caught among uncongenial people. That's why it's attacked.

It didn't exist in CSL's time. Communicating via papers or radio was a "receiving end only" thing for most, and for those getting out a privilege. Either granted by the already importance or by the generosity of those editing the publications. He can't have had that motive. Not exactly as.

However, he did kind of deplore the biassed information of news papers influencing unwary middle class, but he thought Proletarians were safe, since they only read sports and crossword puzzles.

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The Hidden Meaning of Names in Narnia Explained | Narnian Lore | Into the Wardrobe
Into the Wardrobe, 11 Sept. 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FngFX5qNcgY

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Hans-Georg Lundahl

0:36 Do you plan to make a video on 40 parallels between Narnia and Middle-Earth?

Ettinsmoor = Ettin Moors
giants at Ettinsmoor throwing stones
= giants at Grey Mountains throwing stones

Back 20 years ago, before I was homeless, when I made annual re-reads both of LotR and the Narniad, I made a list of 40 parallels ...

Into the Wardrobe

Wow! I have this in my episode idea list but the research seemed daunting! I think I'm aware of maybe 4 or 5 parallels or crossovers. Would you be interested in sharing your list??? I'd credit you for your work of course! If so, please reach out to me at ....

[see description of channel — especially if you have any parallels between Narnia and Middle Earth.]

Hans-Georg Lundahl

I'm sorry @IntotheWardrobe - I'd love to, but the list is, if still extant, on a paper in Malmö, I'm in Paris.

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Hans-Georg Lundahl

2:26 "Boyce College is the college at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, located in Louisville, Kentucky. Southern Seminary is an agency of the Southern Baptist Convention. In addition to providing substantial financial support to the seminary, the Convention also elects the Board of Trustees of the seminary."

Obviously - I would under normal circumstances (myself being homeless and Trad Catholics contributing to perpetuate my poverty being two non-normal ones) rather be supporting the Trad Catholic equivalents.

Ada Unedited

Yeah, I sort of thought this was a bit dodgy even before I knew it was associated with the Southern Baptists because I think that going to a normal university and attending the CU is much better as you get exposed to the diversity of thought that exists in the real world. It means you can develop effective counterarguments rather than never challenging your beliefs because of a pre-set of comebacks. With it being associated with the Southern Baptists I wouldn't be surprised if they teach attitudes that are problematic in relation to sexual abuse and family power dynamics. Obviously we shouldn't assume it's horrible just because of that, but I think it warrants caution.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@BecauseICantEdit "I think that going to a normal university and attending the CU is much better as you get exposed to the diversity of thought that exists in the real world"

Sometimes in ultimately very unpleasant ways ...

"It means you can develop effective counterarguments rather than never challenging your beliefs because of a pre-set of comebacks."

I've been there, done that.

I have developed counterarguments, and I have been ousted from social life over it.

"I wouldn't be surprised if they teach attitudes that are problematic in relation to sexual abuse and family power dynamics."

As in ...?

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@BecauseICantEdit "you can develop effective counterarguments rather than never challenging your beliefs because of a pre-set of comebacks."

For most students at secular universities - can you?

The secular professor may certainly be in a subject which is outside the culture war, but if he isn't - is he going to let effective counterarguments come through?

But if you develop counterarguments yourself, even extra-curricular, you may be in trouble, if the guys at your secular university don't like your position.

So, a confessional university is not just a haven of peace, it is also (in culture war subjects, as said) likely to give you good arguments rather than try to strangle yours if you manage to improvise any.

9:11 No. Kirke is simply Doric Scots for Church.

As a reader of George MacDonald, CSL was aware of Scots, and in The Pilgrim's Regress, the Church is actually personified as "Mother Kirk" ...

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Hans-Georg Lundahl

9:11 No. Kirke is simply Doric Scots for Church.

As a reader of George MacDonald, CSL was aware of Scots, and in The Pilgrim's Regress, the Church is actually personified as "Mother Kirk" ...

Into the Wardrobe

I believe there were times (such as in Jadis name and others) when Lewis enjoyed the wordplay of multiple source words. This may be the case for Kirke, but I think of a good reason Lewis would have intended on referencing "church". Mother Kirk is a great reference! However, there are several reasons I could imagine he would have intended to point toward the idea of a circle.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Circle ... @IntotheWardrobe ... is in Greek kuklos.

Wiktionary traces Κίρκη like this:
From κίρκος (kírkos, “falcon”). Compare Old Norse gýgr (“ogress, witch”) and Icelandic gýgur (“troll-woman, ogress”).

@IntotheWardrobe wait, while I look up the reference from The Bump, I actually find alternative meanings of kirkos.

κίρκος • (kírkos) m (genitive κίρκου); second declension

1) type of hawk or falcon
2) type of wolf
3) circle, ring
4) racecourse, circus
5) type of stone
6) (Hesychius) κωπηλάτης (kōpēlátēs, “rower”)
7) (Hesychius) ἡ τοῦ αἰγείρου βλάστησις (hē toû aigeírou blástēsis, “sprouting of the black poplar”)

For 3, it seems to be an alternative for krikos ...

Obviously, as it's a wiki, a bad reference could have come through ... but as far as it goes, it's in your favour.

IV

11:31 Good point.
Excellent point. The author of our reality is in perfect control over what names add up to 666 and what names don't, for instance.

HANSGEORG = 670 (phew, close call!)
HGLUNDAHL = 663 (phew, close call!)