Wednesday, April 9, 2025

Two Quibbles on an Excellent Video by Heschmeyer


Here is the video:

REBUTTAL: NeedGod.net's embarrassing mistakes about Mary and Joseph
Shameless Popery | 8 April 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzZLq_OeV7Q


15:41 Second most natural reading might be: related in such a way that levirate would be possible.

Obed was neither full nor half sibling to Ruth's first husband. But the terms of the law would describe him as his brother, even if the book of Ruth says "kinsman" to be more precise.

17:08 On this item, I'd go with Ryan.

It would have made no big difference as to work and resources, but it would have made a difference for how they looked at Her actual belief.

My mother [who has died] had three living children. She also had a civil law husband [who has also died] in a marriage not valid to the forum of the Church. That's why she was blocked from conversion.

Me, her oldest son, could not take care of her outside Sweden, because homeless. Her third child, a daughter, couldn't because she was dominated by the Swedish shrinks. Her second living child, also a daughter, is Liberal Jewish. Ex-Catholic. Now, she found it correct to actually consider her Christian mum as suffering from psychiatric delusions not least bec. of Christianity.

Do you get the drift? Going home to a man not yet believing in Jesus' divinity (which it seems St. James the Just even didn't do before He appeared after Resurrection), what would that mean to a Mother who could say "I saw my Son die, and I saw God die" ...?

17:20 It could be answered St. Paul also wrote:

After that, he was seen by James, then by all the apostles
[1 Corinthians 15:7]

In other words, He could have become an Apostle by this post-Resurrection appearance. Meaning, St. James, Brother of God, though he was just in sharing his part of the heritage after St. Joseph with Jesus, after the older siblings simply didn't want Him to have anything, was not yet a believer on Good Friday. St. Paul also was an Apostle and also was not yet a believer on the day when St. Stephen was stoned.

17:57 Wait, is Mark 15:40 the reason why you don't take the view of Proto-Gospel of St. James?

Like on the Proto-Gospel, St. James would no longer have his mother alive when Jesus was born and so would not be the man described in Mark 15:40?

I think Orthodox and Eastern Rite Catholics who do accept the Proto-Gospel would say there were three James: the greater (or taller), son of Zebedee, the lesser, son of Mary (but not of the mother of God), and St. James the Brother of God.

Now, Origen doesn't necessarily agree with you, but Bede does:

ORIGEN. (in Matt. Tract. 35) But it seems to me, that here three women are chiefly named, by Matthew and Mark. Two indeed are set down by each Evangelist, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James; the third is called by Matthew, the mother of the sons of Zebedee, but by Mark she is called Salome.

BEDE. (ubi sup.) He means by James the Less, the son of Alphæus, who was also called the brother of our Lord, because he was the son of Mary, our Lord’s mother’s sister, whom John mentions, saying, Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother and his mother’s sister, Mary of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene. (John 19:25) And he seems to call her Mary of Cleophas, from her father or some relation. But he was called James the Less, to distinguish him from James the Great, that is, the son of Zebedee, who was called amongst the first of the Apostles by our Lord. Further, it was a Jewish custom, nor was it thought blamable after the manners of an ancient people, that women should furnish to teachers food and clothing out of their substance. Wherefore there follows: Who also when he was in Galilee followed him, and ministered unto him. They ministered unto the Lord of their substance, that He might reap their carnal things whose spiritual things they reaped, and that He might shew forth a type for all masters, who ought to be content with food and clothing from their disciples. But let us see what companions He had with Him, for it goes on: And many other women which came up with him into Jerusalem.


Here is disambiguation as to Orthodox wiki "Apostle James", there are three:

Apostle James (son of Zebedee), brother of Apostle John, also called "James the Greater," one of the Twelve Apostles
Apostle James (son of Alphaeus), also called "James the Less," brother of Apostle Matthew, one of the Twelve Apostles
Apostle James the Just, the Brother of God, first bishop of Jerusalem and author of the Epistle of James


For author of epistle, in the Middle Ages it was sometimes attributed to James the Greater.

Shameless Popery
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@hglundahl Correct. I think the connection between James the Younger and Joses strongly supports the idea that these are the "brothers" of the Lord (and thus, since we know who their actual mother and father are, it would point away from the Protoevangelium / Eastern view).

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@hglundahl
@shamelesspopery the mother of James the less and of Joseph

A point to ponder certainly.

@shamelesspopery Thank you!

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