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Monday, July 7, 2025
Evangelical TikToker Lies About Jesus, Dan McClellan Overreacts Against the Harmony of Scripture
Jesus didn't drink wine ?
Dan McClellan | 4 July 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU_xK5FNvvc
0:20 The Habacuc quote is also heavily truncated.
I like Kent Hovind's views on some Evolutionist arguments. But his view on alcohol is simply ... as coherent as Mr. Dawkins' on our origins.
Woe to him that giveth drink to his friend, and presenteth his gall, and maketh him drunk, that he may behold his nakedness
[Habacuc (Habakkuk) 2:15]
My hunch about a famous passage in Genesis 9* is, Noah had no experience with wine, Canaan had, and he wanted to see his grandfather drunk, the reason we don't see this is that the only witness to Canaan's evil after Noah droused down was Ham. Not meaning Ken, obviously.
1:37 I would say that Jesus was in fact upholding the ban on gluttony and drunkenness.
Not as extremely as St. John the Baptist, but still.
The guys He's referring to were simply exaggerating his quantities in wine and food. Or pushing down the correct limits. Some still do so.
Perhaps especially egregious when some Evangelicals similarily exaggerate someone's consumption in alcohol or push down the correct limits (drunkenness is not defined by "DUI" just because it's nicknamed "drunk driving"), when they have at the same time lost all sensitivity against gluttony.
So, no, the Bible was NOT contradicting itself, Dan.
1:50 Drinking alcohol is not a sin except in OT contexts of either Nazirism or (I think) Temple service.
Drinking excessive alcohol is a sin. Apart from Nazirs and priests serving in the Temple, drinking some alcohol was actually required at feasts.
It's still perfectly recommendable, and I do from time to time make publicity for monastic wine producers.
6:16 Over use is responsible for those deaths, except when misdiagnosed.
Some doctors with religious family background like the guy you presented and like Muslims are so bent on demonising alcohol, they will probably blame a homeless man's destroyed intestines on alcohol when the real culprit was people like them pushing to gluttony in order to "save" someone from alcohol.
Most deaths where "alcohol is responsible" are neither accidents due to drunkenness nor ethylic comas (like the one Winehouse could have avoided if the enforced cure hadn't lowered her tolerance, and maybe wouldn't have been risking if the enforced cure hadn't depressed her even after getting out), they are assessments about what destroyed a liver (in my case fat and sugar could be probable alternatives, should I endure liver failure) or caused a cancer.
* Dan McClellan is here dealing with that, but misses the parallel between Habacuc 2:15 and Noah's curse, and therefore doesn't realise why probably Canaan, though unstated, did in fact merit the curse.
What Did Ham Do to His Father Noah in Genesis 9:20–27?
Dan McClellan | 12 Febr. 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cKrGiZYOxU
I've said it before, I'll say it again: Canaan was condemned to drink nothing, while serving CORRECT quantities, NOT EXCESSIVE ONES to his brethren. Perhaps after that he could drink some left over.
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