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My bad memory, while I corrected the title, the URL still makes Dr. Ashenden my namesake ...

Is the Pope a Catholic? Continuity or Contradiction? Ashenden Scripted.
Dr G Ashenden, 5 Oct. 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QJoUJj6CHc

4:28 Can one have a slight hope of him meaning sth like a gay couple approaching Chaput, emeritus of Philadelphia, with words like:

"We have decided to end our sin, but not by celibacy, we have decided to look for a Lesbian couple in a gay bar, to propose a partner exchange, then marriages of the so formed couples of man and woman, can you bless us"
and Chaput responding:
"For the hope of finding a Lesbian couple within a month, and ending your and their sin, this blessing is valid, now kneel and ..."

or need one fear he had sth very different in mind with sinister overtones to what was lurking around the corner in the CoSw when I left them?

5:27 I think a CoE was well looking back to a "traditional" prejudicate by a certain Cranmer about the marital status of a certain king, when it introduced same sex blessings in recent times, I think the CoSw did so even sooner.

Perhaps Bergoglio feels very close to that tradition?

Hint. He gave the modernist "bishop" Tony Palmer, a man not just ridiculed, but rightly ridiculed by Fundies, the funeral proper to a Catholic bishop. Not just the funeral as a corporeal act of mercy, no, all the pomp involved in burying a Catholic bishop. Had he died first, he would have wanted Palmer to give him the funeral proper to an Anglican bishop.

5:45 I tried to look Fernandez up, and fortunately, first hit was Leylah Fernandez -- a much more pleasant person, I am sure.

Indeed, Victor strikes an ominous note in my memory ...

7:05 Good, but this would also involve reaffirming that the Catholic positions on Genesis early chapters are:

• one moment creation, six literal days creation, gap theory and day age theory, but NOT Theistic Evolution
• in the misapplied generosity of Humani Generis reaffirm that Adam was created by God with no biological ancestry
• a global or at least Old-World tricontinental Flood
• a reasonably short period from Adam to Moses or at least Adam to Abraham, like at least not more than doubling the time span of Genesis 5 and 11 genealogies, definitely not inverting the proportooion of stated and omitted generations in Matthew one, on pain of losing historicity of Genesis 3, which is pretty key to more than one thing

which would lead to investigate the science part which:

• excludes Gap Theory (no cataclysm found in Quaternary period)
• excludes Day Age (no serialisation of Geologic periods will correspond to the order of the creation days)
• excludes a continental only Flood (the strata found in the old world are basically the strata found in the New World, and you need more than one classified stratum to account for the Flood, since the Permian will be lacking here and the Cretaceous will be lacking there and so on)
• however, allows (if geostratigraphic and K-Ar dating are allowed to be spurious) C14 to accomodate to a literally short number of generations in Genesis 5 and 11, no need to add a third, let alone a fourth or fifth Cainan, as Father Fulcran Vigouroux suggested

The last three men you would refer to as Popes have consistently since at least 1992 done the exact reverse of all of this, much like Bergoglio seems to be doing the reverse of Chaput when it comes to the pastoral of persons with SSA, some of whom may be in "couples" ...

9:21 I am sorry, but I think you are mistaken.

The Church has always defined Her repudiation of unmerited slave hunt of hitherto free people on this principle.

There are three allowable criteria for servitude.

• the bondsman agreeing to it, if for instance he finds himself in starvation and finds the prospect of being a slave a relief (wage arrangements are a version "lite" of this, excluding perpetuality and stipulating that the remuneration allows for freely exchangeable things like money and usually living outside the precincts of the employer);
• the bondsman deserving it by a crime, and we still have prisons (extreme form: the bondsman needing it by madness, we have mental hospitals and more slave hunt in that area than before, and the Church is not seen to duly stand up against this, calling sane fools and denying them freedoms);
• the bondsman inheriting it ... we have no legal arrangement for perpetual and hereditary servitude in Christian countries, so, this is not an issue. Should Mauretania convert, it could be an issue.

The point is, the criteria exclude targetting me as a madman because I have "defended slavery" but do not exclude General Lee from keeping those born slaves on his farm, had he preferred that. However, the criterium of charity, and the observation that bondsmen being of a certain skin colour led to slave hunt being encouraged is precisely why the post-Medieval and colonial slavery have been opposed from the time of Gregory XVI on. Precisely as it was the criterium (imperfectly understood by a Calvinist perhaps) that encouraged General Lee to free all of his slaves, prior to 1860.

10:30 §283 as it now stands was arguably also of a very official nature, not just an off the cuff remark by Wojtyla ... (see my comment for timestamp 7:05 for why this is bad).

11:39 That remark* is hypocritic.
I may or may not be guilty in relation to my act on the day of St Agatha in early 1998, but I was certainly exonerated for "putative defense" in the first trial, one month later, and condemned to 3 and a half years in the second trial.

I would not have been involved in doing the act in the first place, if I had not been targetted by the slave hunt of certain modernist experts in detaining people, when it was apparent that courting (in non-obscene words) a girl 14 years my junior (starting when she was near 14) was not landing me in prison.

If one can stand for the provocations that led me to the act, one can also stand for the modern lenience of the sentence. 3 and a half years, of which I served 2/3.

It is not the judicial sentence which has ruined my life up to now, it is rather the "mental health check" follow ups.

The thing I knew was being done to me has been verified, amply. I have been targetted as possibly mentally ill. I have had people do check ups on my luggage as a homeless for suspicions of drug abuse. My favourite drugs are sugar, caffeine and alcohol, in decreasing order. I have had people, notably Muslims (who do not have the Christian views against slave hunt) ask me "how are you?" in so many occasions along the day that it becomes a positive annoyance.

15:05 I hope God provided a faithful shepherd, Michael II, when the previous Pope, Michael I, succumbed to biological entropy.

* Bergoglio's.

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Update, 14 days after your video it seems Victor Fernández weighed in ...

// What the Church said is that the homosexual union is not blessed, because it [the Church] has the clear definition of marriage which is a union between a male and female open to new life.

Only that is called matrimony – marriage, only that reality is called that way.

So the blessing that could confuse and not make clear about this reality is not good for the Church.

But perhaps also [they] need blessings, not only one isolated person, but two persons who are asking for a blessing because they want to be faithful to God, they want to be better, they want to grow in their Christian life.

The blessing is not a sacrament. And we mustn’t ask the same conditions [for] a simple blessing that we ask for a sacrament.

Blessing is a sign of the “opera pastorale” [pastoral work], to every people in every situation, and we [need to] know nothing [about] the people with how is his Christian life, the morals and other things [in order] to give the blessing. //

LifeSiteNews : EXCLUSIVE: Cardinal Fernández says blessings are for ‘every’ person in ‘every situation’
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-cardinal-fernandez-says-blessings-are-for-every-person-in-every-situation/

What do you make of that?

I think that such an unqualified blessing simply to a gay "couple" without the kind of qualifications I gave, or without other specifications, like the blessing referring to a house or a business deal or a retreat in a monastery (separate cells) or things could be misleading and in fact encourage some to feel encouraged to go on with the sin.

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AFTERTHOUGHT

Due to two remarks in the video, I came to reflect on your moral theology.

When Ray Comfort quizzes people to whether they need a Saviour, you may know he asks "have you ever told a lie, ever looked at someone you weren't married to and lusted, ever ..." — the thing is, he gets the process of subjectively getting saved wrong, he mixes venial and mortal sins, but what he is talking about is at least sins.

Is your quiz to verify what someone needs to confess "do you have an addiction? are you pedophile? are you egostic? are you narcissistic?" or things like that?

Because each of these is per se not even a sin. That kind of mix-up in moral theology can be way worse than just getting "the mechanics of personal salvation" wrong.

May I suggest you consult Liguori or moral theologians up to 100 years ago?