Tuesday, October 31, 2023

Creationism against 4 Mild Hecklers


1) My own answer against the heckler who posed the question
2) My comments under 3 other hecklers answering it in the ways foreseen by the first heckler.

This is vintage from my old and banned account:

Hans-Georg Lundahl
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Q
What are some everyday technologies that depend on scientific principles that Creationists reject?
https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-everyday-technologies-that-depend-on-scientific-principles-that-Creationists-reject/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl


Hans-Georg Lundahl
Blog : "http://creavsevolu.blogspot.com". Debating evolutionists for 15 years +.
5 years ago
I commented on more than one answer, refuting the points.

And for some reason, the ones who answered and on which I commented seemed to feel no need to refute my comments.

Perhaps they especially felt no need to expose their lack of refutations.

There are no everyday technologies that depend on scientific principles we reject.

Other answers
the ones to which I had alluded in my own answer.

A I
What are some everyday technologies that depend on scientific principles that Creationists reject?
https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-everyday-technologies-that-depend-on-scientific-principles-that-Creationists-reject/answer/Mathijs-Booden


Mathijs Booden
PhD in earth science.
10 years ago
Originally Answered: What are some everyday technologies that depend for functioning on scientific principles that Creationists reject?

Anything that tracks time by radioactive decay.

Anything that uses fossil fuels.

Anything that contains metals.

To name a few glaring examples.

I

Comment deleted
October 11, 2022

Mathijs Booden
10 years ago
Metals are mined from ore deposits. There are many different types of ore deposits, formed over a wide range of ages and tectonic settings. Exploration for deposits is inextricably linked to an understanding of when, where and how different deposits formed.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
5 years ago
“Exploration for deposits is inextricably linked to an understanding of when, where and how different deposits formed.”

Meaning, I suppose, an evolutionist understanding of it.

Conventionally, yes. Inextricably, no.

II
separate answers of mine to the points in his answer, apparently not or no longer answered

Hans-Georg Lundahl
5 years ago
“Anything that uses fossil fuels.”

No, simply a disagreement on when it was formed.

Some might of course boycott petrol if suspecting it came from human débris, but it seems it comes mainly from aquatic biota.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
5 years ago
“Anything that tracks time by radioactive decay.”

Anything other than C14, yes, I do reject Ka-Ar dating or U-Pb or Th-Pb.

It is not an every day technology either.

You can test C14 as such and also a recently equal carbon level by dating historically datable objects once over again by C14.

You cannot date Hekla’s lava (latest eruption) … (The most recent eruption was relatively short; it started at 18:18 on 26 February 2000 and lasted until 8 March., thanks, wiki!) to 17 years ago by Ka-Ar so as to test it.

Even worse, you have even countertested it by Mount St Helen’s “recent” not even being within the given margin of error of tests giving very other values.

So, why exactly would Ka-Ar count as an “everyday technology”?

Hans-Georg Lundahl
5 years ago
“Anything that contains metals.”

I find the connection to the subject glaringly lacking.

A II
What are some everyday technologies that depend on scientific principles that Creationists reject?
https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-everyday-technologies-that-depend-on-scientific-principles-that-Creationists-reject/answer/Vinnie-Veramente


Vinnie Veramente
Psych student
10 years ago
Originally Answered: What are some everyday technologies that depend for functioning on scientific principles that Creationists reject?

The banana.

Peter Denyer
7 years ago
Nice example (particularly as ironically it was famously, and inanely, used as an argument for design) but you might like to expand on that answer for those who don't know why.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
5 years ago
I second Peter Denyer.

“you might like to expand on that answer for those who don't know why.”

A III
What are some everyday technologies that depend on scientific principles that Creationists reject?
https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-everyday-technologies-that-depend-on-scientific-principles-that-Creationists-reject/answer/Prithvi-Shiv


Prithvi Shiv
Works at Social Media Marketing
10 years ago
Originally Answered: What are some everyday technologies that depend for functioning on scientific principles that Creationists reject?

The field of medicine is most directly affected by evolution. The growing resistance to antibiotics is testimony to the fact microrganisms are evolving. Current pharmacuetical research is centered around trying to address this growing immunity to drug based treatments.

These are not technologies, strictly speaking, but phenomenon which we need to address because they have a direct impact on us:

  • Drug resistant pests
  • Cultivars
  • Animal breeds


Amongst many others.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
5 years ago
“The growing resistance to antibiotics is testimony to the fact microrganisms are evolving.”

A Creationist considers that an E. coli evolving to an E. coli somewhat closer to Salmonella bacterium (gaining ability to feed on citric acid) is no where near an E. coli or an Amoeba or sth evolving to Man.

I don’t know any Creationist who says E. coli did not mutate to profit from citric acid in the Lenski experiment.

In other words, you are extremely inaccurate about what Creationists reject.

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