Thursday, July 17, 2025

Metatron on Vikings, Anglo-Saxons, with Eske Willerslev in the Background


I had to look up "Eske" to find out if it was a male or female name. Male. I found Eske Bille on wiki. The name is probably rare in Denmark and probably not even used in Sweden (unless among Danish expats). Denmark has 490 Eske, all male, all main name, Sweden 4, 2 of each, plus another nine as middle name, 2 women and 7 men, Finland has 4 men as middle names, Norway 4 men as main name. Norway and Sweden have far more men named Eskil, but Denmark has only 387 Eskil, so, fewer than Eske, which is mainly a form of Eskil. Mr. Willerslev is probably a very decent scientist.


Vikings Were Muslims And Not White Say UK Professors
Metatron | 16 July 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzLn6dyc_Yk


0:23 You are aware that Vikings and Muslims did meet in modern day Russia (which by the way has over 10 % Muslims and those not recent immigrants)?

0:57 "writing the Coran with runes" ...

The Vikings on Ireland were fluent enough in Gaelic to give Dublin a Gaelic name.

The Vikings in Russia and Ukraine were fluent enough in Old East Slavic to become rulers of Kievan Rus.

I think you underestimate the fluency of Vikings in foreign languages if you think they would have been unable to pray the Salat in Arabic. However, I also think this is the kind of marginal event, why not feature the Icelandic Muslim who had been robbed from Iceland in Tyrkjaránið in 1627 and become a Muslim before she could return?

But even in her day Icelandic Muslims would have been fewer than one %. About as common as Austrian Bolsheviks in the 1920, if not even quite a lot fewer than that.

2:19 Denmark and Norway have a lot more gingers than Sweden.*

Reason? Irish and Scottish were abducted as slaves to Denmark and Norway (West-Ward Vikings) but not to Sweden and parts of Finland (East-Ward Vikings) and that obviously implies some Irish geneflow into Scandinavia.

2:29 In modern Scandinavia, 50 % have blonde hair and blue eyes.

I'm not surprised at the study, and the nobles would as usual have been more international back then than the rest (given Viking raiding habits, the genetic additions from elsewhere were not necessarily always voluntary)

3:18 Many may not be a scientific term.

But it is a common sense term. You could hardly use it of 2 % of a population or a sample. You could use it of 20 % of either. Or more.

In modern Scandinavia, only 50 % have both blonde hair and blue eyes. The combination of blue eyes with darker hair is the more common one outside those 50 %, or perhaps brown eyes with darker hair is more common than that. When I see someone with brown eyes and blonde hair I wonder if she coloured her hair or is a foreigner or both. It's the rarest combination, probably rarer than red hair and green eyes.

4:43 I'm totally adequate to expand on taking on Viking identities.

It's like the equivalent of a Frenchman in occupied France joining the German army, or of an Abyssinian back in the day joining the Italian army.

In the case of Vikings, not purely army, but "army, police, tax collectors, maffia and general jet set able to throw a big party" as that is a pretty fair description of nobility. The mafia part varying between different nobles, but clearly pretty strong in Vikings. (If I'm wrong on the mafia, correct me, that's more like your backyard).

Back when Vikings worshipped Óðinn and Þórr this would involve joining that cult too, but later when they became Catholics (happened to many even before 1066), it absolutely no longer would mean that. The Danish Vikings that were killes on St. Brice's day in 1002 in England were Catholics.

5:40 Not just more isolated from each other but also more difference in influx from elsewhere.

Viking age influx from elsewhere into Sweden would come from Finland, Russia, Gotland and via Gotland from Poland and Germany.

Into Denmark and Norway? From British Isles, perhaps to some degree from Greenland and Amerindians, but I don't think that was very common. Also, from France was less common, as the Viking descendants in Normandy were actually settled there and cutting ties with Scandinavia. And they came early and protected France from other Vikings. William the Conqueror was fifth generation after Rollo and not all the female sides hailed from Denmark. Precisely as Robert the Bruce was not all that much of a French Norman. So, mainly from British Isles and when it came to Irish, it shows in red heads.

6:18 If you have an Irishman who marries a Norse woman, he certainly took on Viking identity as much as 33rd Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS Charlemagne took on an SS identity. Vikings didn't come to Ireland via the equivalent of Statten Island, and their women were not offered to Irishmen for no good reason at all.

6:55 Classic Tortuga Pirates were also traders on occasion, not least slave traders.

But Viking is a kind of blend between trader and pirate. Offer him a good business deal, he shakes your hand. Offer him a bad business deal or none at all, he'll give you an offer you can't refuse. Or if you refuse it, shake an axe onto your head so someone else can't refuse it.

So, they had cities where they were welcome traders, fine, they could get gold or wine by offering seal tusks or whale blubber. They had other cities where they weren't welcome, and also monasteries, where the chanting reminded them of "seithr" (a hypnotic chant meant to produce magic or divination), they had other plans than peaceful exchanges. And if they saw a ship, they were attentive to see if it was friend, foe or potential new business partner.

7:10 No, Vikings were anyone travelling by ship, whether they traded more or plundered more, they usually did some of both.

It was one and the same line of trade. It was what younger sons did among Odin worshippers and somewhat still into Catholic times, like younger sons of Catholic nobles often joined the clergy.

7:20 Non-Scandinavian women were certainly empowered enough to get on the home journeys of Viking ships.

Scandinavian noble women were usually marrying oldest sons, inheritors of land, who were typically older brothers to Vikings.

7:44 The Vikings who had brown hair were certainly more numerous than the Vikings who were Irish or Scottish.

For these, Mr. Eske Willerslev was not using the term "many". 2 / 400 is not many.

If Vikings with brown hair were referred to as "many" they were certainly more numerous than 2 in that 400 + sample.

And I for one believe it. You don't see much blonde hair in Palermo, unless it's died or on the head of a tourist, so, when you notice Swedes, you'll notice the blonde hair most. As blonde hair and blue eyes are only 50 %, and blonde hair is more restricted than blue eyes, probably 45 % or more have other colours than blonde. Your mistake about Swedes is like my beginners' mistake in Latin when I wanted to translate every subsidiary clause depending on a verbum iubendi or volendi with an accusative with infinitive, just because that's very rare in Swedish. Cicero actually did quite a lot of subsidiary clauses with ut / ne + subjunctive in those cases, just like Swedish would, except Swedish would replace subjunctive with indicative.

"Jag vill att du kommer" would more typically be "volo (ut) venias" than "volo te venire" according to my memories of Latin stylistics (i e Ciceronian prose stylistics). Even if English has "you to come" as a direct translation of "te venire" ...

You expect more blondes among true Scandinavians, just as I expected more "A cum I" in good Latin.

7:53 The Vikings were typically from Scandinavia, the article says "not exclusively".

But Scandinavian does NOT mean majority blonde, unless you mean a very bare majority, and the nobility who made children with and sometimes freed and married women from Ireland or Spain would have a lesser percentage of blondes than the general poppulation, a higher percentage of red, brown or even black hair.

8:02 I have met a white Zulu.

A Lutheran clergyman whose other nationality is Swedish. He grew up among Zulus. His daugter, who taught at the same school as I, grew up among Cape English. So, she was a Swedish Rooinek, as the Boers call the English. Neither of them was Boer or Xhosa, though.

So "Zulus are not necessarily black" is strictly speaking true. They are very typically black and the article doesn't deny Vikings were very typically Scandinavian.

I don't think you have a real reason to complain about its wording.

8:33 Here we may be dealing with some real cause for concern. Other article. Not CNN.**

8:51 I look the article up.

The guidance urges tutors to consider that "some Vikings became practising Muslims" due to Islamic goods being found in the graves of some Vikings, thought to have been attained by trade


They also found a Buddha on precincts of some Mälar Viking burial, perhaps Sigtuna.

Doesn't mean the Vikings were sometimes Buddhists. And some crosses in graves might have more to do with pride in successfully plundering a monastery (nobody's perfect as you mentioned) than with Christian devotion.

Here I would say the methodology is bad.

9:09 I totally agree.

Sounds like departments of education and similar nasty anti-parents' stuff.

11:17 My point precisely.

On reconsideration, though. On the date of Lindisfarne, Vikings worshipped Norse gods. Perhaps not all on Gotland, but certainly those who went to Lindisfarne.

On the date of 1066, Vikings outside Scandinavia typically, Vikings on Iceland basically exclusively and Vikings in Scandinavia to a fairly large part were Roman Catholic Christians.

It is not impossible that the change of religion was helped by some underhand pluralism in personal belief, as also the Norse sagas, both Icelanding Sagas and from earlier times (back to the Völkerwanderung) do feature less than monolithic adherence to Norse gods. They may have had a kind of policy of public worship to these joined with agnosticism or foreign religious influences in personal belief and this may have helped to spread Christianity as a provider of certainty and of unity. Outside certain parts of Norway mostly voluntarily, but Norse kings notably Saint Olaf probably thought the Norse religion was too much of a promoter of feuds, so he forced people, especially high ranking nobles, to become Christian.

Isn't there a country you may know better than I do, where a man may be a shinto when he is enthroned as descendant of the Sun Goddess and a buddhist or a secularist or something when doing war inside or outside that country? (And how do you like my theory that both Amaterasu and Venus Mater were in fact Puduhepa, priestess of the sun goddess of Arinna, whom she identified with the love goddess ...?).

14:53 "other parts of Europe and what is now Russia"

British Isles and Southern Europe for Danish and Norwegian ones, Russia for Swedish ones.

Muslims were arguably already present in Daghestan at this point. Just noting, Ukraine is more purely Christian then the Russian federation.

18:04 There is nothing wrong with being ethnically Anglo-Saxon or culturally so ... as long as you stay out of an US American nightmare called "The Anglo-Saxon Club" ... (ask Danielle Romero on the channel NYTN about what that is).

18:49 LONG HISTORY?

The Anglo Saxon Clubs of America was a white supremacist political organization which was active in the United States in the 1920s and lobbied in favor of anti-miscegenation laws and against immigration from outside of Northern Europe. Founded in Richmond, Virginia, in 1922 by musician and composer John Powell and political activist Earnest Sevier Cox, the organization had 400 members in 1923 and 32 "posts" by 1925 and was open only to white male members.


If since 1922 is "long history" to those guys, what is Viking age? Prehistory? Come on!

18:49 bis. I found a rabbit hole.

Anglo-Saxonism is really a very dead ideology, even White Suprematists wouldn't be as anti-Celtic as those guys were. Tolkien certainly wasn't, and wiki credits him with being influenced by Anglo-Saxonism. I looked up a footnote.***

Helen Young says that the links between racism and the study of the Middle Ages date at least back to the 18th century.


So? The links between anti-racism and the Middle Ages date at least back to the Crusades. Yes, literally. The German version of Parzifal (no, not Wagner's, the Medieval German), credits him with having a brother "Feirefitz" who is checkered in white and brown skin because he had white Lancelot for father and a Sarracen as mother. That kind of jokes don't look like heavy racial prejudice to me at least.

22:45 Indeed°, their offspring is going to have genetic mixing, and this would more often have been the case in the nobility.

If so and so "bought a wife from Asia" not sure if this is a thing, is he likelier to be speaking Cockney or the dialect of Soho?

* Vikings weren’t necessarily blond. Or Scandinavian. Why everything you thought you knew about the Norsemen may be wrong
By Harry Clarke-Ezzidio, CNN | Published 11:00 AM EDT, Wed September 16, 2020
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/16/europe/vikings-blond-scandinavian-study-scn-scli-intl-gbr/index.html


** GBN: Vikings were 'not all white and some were Muslim', pupils to be told in effort to ditch 'Eurocentric ideas'
By Ed Griffiths | Published: 01/06/2025 - 11:17 | Updated: 01/06/2025 - 13:08
https://www.gbnews.com/news/vikings-non-white-muslim-eurocentric-ideas


*** How Can We Untangle White Supremacy From Medieval Studies?
David M. Perry | October 9, 2017
https://psmag.com/education/untangling-white-supremacy-from-medieval-studies/


° We're on a third article:

LiveScience: Vikings may not have been blonde, or Scandinavian
News | By Yasemin Saplakoglu | published September 17, 2020
https://www.livescience.com/vikings-were-not-always-blonde-or-scandinavian.html

Wednesday, July 16, 2025

Sharing


Israel "will destroy you": a terrifying menace to the Attorney General of the ICC
Owen Jones | 16 July 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_bzbu68U24

Influencers are not clergy, scandals aren't reasons to change longstanding discipline


The Scandal of Catholic Influencers Calls for Reflexion
Brian Holdsworth | 16 July 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo3c76-_vUU


1:12 A Catholic influencer SHOULD be unchecked.

Influencer is NOT a part of the magisterium or dicasterium or clergy or monastics.

Whether you do your influencing online or by radio, TV or printing press, you do your influencing at a distance. CSL had letter correspondences with readers, and two of the more famous are with the Gresham children (Catholics) and with a god daughter (I think) named Joan.

There are some things you cannot do at a distance of 100's of km or miles.

That a certain influencer lives a double life may be sad, but it does not in any way, shape or form mean he's abusing those whom he is edifying by his online words. I'm pretty happy not to know whom you are talking about. If it's me, I haven't heard those rumours.

Let's suppose a certain great Catholic Apologist were in fact secretly a Satanist, what's that to us? I mean secretly. If we found out, we might need to pray for him. I might want to renew prayers for JRRT after finding out, through an audio clip by his son Fr. John Tolkien that he was so cordial an ecumenist, friend and host that this led to omitting some basic protections for his own children. Those were not the exact words by Fr. John Tolkien, they are my conclusions from it.

If we were spiritually tainted by receiving instruction or other means of grace, like sacraments, from people not in the state of grace, Lollards would be right, we wouldn't be able to trust even a baptism by a priest who was in mortal sin, even unbeknownst to the parents of the child. And the Hislop crowd would be right, in principle, if a Pope honouring Mary were in the utmost secret of his heart intending to honour Semiramis, that would taint us all. This is obviously nonsense.

Now, I am very probably to a high degree a victim of the kind of thing you are proposing. I am a Catholic Apologist. I am unprinted, therefore outside busking and gifts unpaid, therefore impoverished, still on the street, still unmarried.

1) People have speculated on my not being Catholic, like never having converted. It is true I did not convert after the 1990 new profession of faith, I converted in 1988. While that was still in communion with Monseigneur Lefebvre and while there was no act of profession in "religious submission" even to non-definitive teachings of the merely authentic magisterium. Also 4 years before there was active promotion of Evolution and Geocentrism from the man you call "John Paul II"

2) People have speculated on my not being the author of my blogs, also not true. I'm not sure this has been put to rest.

3) People have pretended Apologetics is a kind of formal ministry which therefore needs approval from the bishop, not true.

4) People have pretended my blogs violate the Trentine discipline of "nihil obstat" and "imprimi potest / imprimatur", a procedure which first of all never meant to apply to blogs, because they are this democratic a medium, which 16th C. printing wasn't. Second, for those who accept the papacy of "Paul VI" this procedure was abolished. Third, I never got a disapproval from Pope Michael I when offering him a link to read. Fourth, I encouraged him to print and in that case he would have had occasion to give the imprimatur. Fifth, he said he hadn't time, not sure if he meant my enture corpus of posts or even just a selection for a printed book, and I replied, he did not contest, in that case I was not bound by the discipline.

5) People have pretended I pretend to be a monk or even to actually assess me as one, and have objected that my blogging doesn't comply with monastic obedience, I didn't wait for an abbot (which I don't have) or the local bishop to order me to write. I am not a monk.

6) People have pretended my blogs are not Catholic as to content. Well, the problem is, no one is stepping up to confront me on anything other than rejecting "John Paul II" through "Francis" and so far not accepting "Leo XIV". Since this concerns only few of my blog posts comparatively, I could have a good revenew from lots of posts that remain.

7) People have probably (I cannot look behind my back) pretended my blogs purport to be prophecy, they simply don't. I certainly do not need the vetting that the Fatima children or St Bernadette Soubirous got. Because I am not making a parallel claim.

8) People have pretended I intend to undermine the faith or funnel people into Islam or Judaism or Evangelicalism. My intentions are strictly irrelevant for the content of my blogs and its orthodoxy.

And NOW you come around, pretty certainly with the approval of your bishop or parish priest if not even on the actual initiative of them. And you say INFLUENCERS need to be checked.

NO THANKS!

[above disappeared on renewing the page.]

1:50 I have been an online influencer since 2001.

One very much fought back against.

I had always wanted to be a writer, not just novelist (which I'm not yet) and poet (which I am in shorter formats), but an essayist. Since my teens, before there was internet.

I got a chance while in a situation where I also had to defend my faith in the deeply un-Catholic and in fact anti-Catholic (though usually not overtly so) Sweden.

Those I were defending myself against have since then used what you would call "the Church" to help them keep me back.

So much for "sought after carreer" and "might want to" ... in my case.

But back to what you were saying about the youngsters ...

2:10 You have just insulted St. Justin Martyr.

An influencer, more precisely an apologist in writing. You have also insulted saints qua saints, except those who lived the most recluded and socially retired lives and those whose public influence was simply a function of office (emperors, popes and so on).

You have insulted the memory of Carlo Acutis, whom I find probable is a saint, even if he was in communion with the wrong Pope.

No, "Catholic influencer" is not contemptuous to Catholic ears.

And when it comes to Catholic influencers who are not canonised and didn't die that recently, you have insulted the judgement of Pope Pius XI who decorated Chesterton and Belloc with the order of St. Gregory the Great.

2:26 What do you mean by "aims of celebrity"?

Chesterton had no beef getting himself a celebrity by wearing cloak, broad hat, like Spaniards prior to Carlos III, and by making jokes about his corpulence.

If you mean rock star celebrity or film star celebrity, you may have to some extent a point, but that's not the exact kind of celebrity a Catholic influencer is looking for. I presume. I have not heard of Catholic influencers rocking and moving about like Elvis the Pelvis, not even myself as an adult. In fact one of my poems or songs contains the line "are you lonesome tonight" not as a pick-up line, but as an appeal by a divorce victim .... specifically as an act of reparation (for myself and the soul of Elvis Aaron Presley) where he used that line in a bawdier way.

2:37 "lifestyle brand" ... Belloc actually did show up Catholicism not just as a doctrine, but as a lifestyle, a subculture. He did promote "pilgrimages are a thing" in a time when Protestants and Secularists who dominate the Engish speaking world weren't doing them (Santiago de Compostela was revived later, starting under Franco actually, so Franco helped to reverse a totalitarianism initiated by Lewis XIV).
"not sceptical enough" (about self) ... mistrust of oneself is a good thing in the spiritual battle according to Scupoli, but as content providers may provide other content than spirituality, that's not a concern for for instance apologetics
"own narcissistic vulnerabilities" ... sorry, has your Church converted to the religion of Jordan Peterson?

If your priest regularly uses the word "narcissist" in order to endorse the kind of aura that clings to it, I suggest you treat him as a very discredited Catholic influencer. Narcissism as understood by shrinks and Pride as understood by Catholic moralists only very partly overlap. No one in his right mind can say Mozart didn't enjoy being a music star (though not Elvis the Pelvis!), but also no one can pretend his pride went beyond the venial sin of vanity. As far as we know, and apart from what corruption he suffered behind the closed doors of Masonic lodges.

3:04 Good works or good workmanship have always involved an opportunity for seeking fame.

And some have always been chosen by some because providing better venues for achieving fame.

I am not very familiar with the Kardashians, I can honestly say you are wrong about them, apart from reality shows, they have actually made TV, as in being producers or actors, not sure which, and design, and fashion models started with Marie Vernet, wife of the tailor Charles Frederick Worth, both of whom died before 1900 when my grandfather was born.

3:14 gaining influence over other Catholics

The saints are actually a fairly big bunch. And lifestyle promotion of devotion to certain saints is a thing since St. Thérèse of the Child Jesus and the Holy Face (we celebrate Our Lady of Carmel today!) promoted devotion to St. Joan of Arc who at this point wasn't even canonised yet. St. Joan was canonised in 1920, and St. Thérèse was influencing for her (if only in the Carmel to her own knowledge) at a date before WW-I, because in WW-I, she was already being invoked herself as protector of French aviators.

Congratulations to your nice attack on a very Roman Catholic habit that Protestants and especially Puritans (less so Pentecostals obviously) disapprove of.

3:27 Do you take the words in Matthew 26:52 as a ban on becoming military?

The Catholic Church doesn't.

Now, bearing arms is one way of getting fame, as d'Artagnan shows, and on that Saint Thomas says, if you want to become a general because a general is famous, that is wrong, but if you want to become a general because you have a good plan, that is not wrong.

In cases of mixed motives, Catholicism has not held that the mistrust of self needs to prevail at the expense of the good motive.

4:11 No, I don't think so.

An Apologist is not a pastor. As Apologist, it is my duty to give an objectively convincing argument and try to get it out, it is not my duty to evaluate if it would alienate some.

A pastor (from Pope to Father confessor for the youth group) needs to balance the opportunity of improving a soul with the risk of alienating it. An Apologist is, by contrast, concerned with the debate. He's not even a missionary. He is strictly speaking not exactly evangelising. He is removing obstacles to accepting or retaining the faith, insofar as those obstacles are of an intellectual, and sometimes of a cultural emotive nature.

The souls are God's business. Not mine. And God's appointed servants in clergy. Still not mine.

4:21 If you compare the surgeon to a father confessor or a missionary, compare the apologist to the guy who produces or washes the surgeon's tools.

A far smaller responsibility.

5:01 What was he saying, again ...

Be ye not many masters, my brethren, knowing that you receive the greater judgment
[James 3:1]
Nolite plures magistri fieri fratres mei, scientes quoniam majus judicium sumitis
[James 3:1]

In that culture "magister" meant someone who taught in the same classroom or sometimes privately.

If you are the person that young people need to have as a common reference, in order for the classroom situation not to break down, there are qualities you need that you do not need as a writer. I can teach up to 12 people, but not even 20, let alone 30.

And please note, my most natural carreere other than writing would be precisely teaching. I think St. James is counselling me to write. According to a Medieval opinion the actual same James who is celebrated on July 25 and who is buried in Santiago, as confirmed by Pope Leo XIII (the identification, like that of St. Philomena based on visions of Sister Maria Luisa di Gesù, is partly due to approved apparitions).

5:16 Search my blogs if you see scandal.*

If you do, tell me.

5:24 Morally upright is mentioned by St. Paul in the qualifications for bishop and deacon.

Whatever you may think or imagine about my life is less relevant than if I tried to be a bishop or deacon.

Again, an Apologist is not clergy.

5:55 should probably start applying to the laity as well

For catechist, fine. Again, does not apply to Apologist.

This is not an admission of living an abject life, though I could live better if I had money for my writing and a wife. But I mention this because some may imagine things about my life.

6:02 No, pastoral rule is NOT required reading for an apologist who is not even a speaker.

Could some profit from it? Sure. But is it needed? No.

7:02 Apologetics is not per se Exorcism.

7:41 As to preparation, certainly not for exorcism, but for apologetics.

After I quit as a teacher, no public scandal involved, just not renewing the contract that was anyway for one term, since I adn't gone teachers' academy, and since I was, as mentioned, useless in the classroom, and after a "to work" transition that didn't lead to work, by Summer 1996, I start reading St. Thomas Aquinas for some parts that recur in my Apologetics very intensively, and by end of 1999 or first half of 2000 I had read The City of God as well. I am a somewhat competent scholastic on Christian metaphysics, and I'm at least a decent amateur in Patristics.

If Chesterton was prepared, I am more so, on his actual admissions, when he wrote the biography of St. Thomas Aquinas.

8:03 Fine. You have anti-Catholic family members who are used by other anti-Catholics against you.

I have anti-Catholic family members whom I sometimes suspect of using what you would call "the Church" against me. And then "the Church" uses my colleagues including you.

8:26 First, I do not think marriage is a "vocation" in the normal sense of the word.

It's the default.

Second, you are offering me a catch 22. I cannot practically get married because I have no revenue from my writing. You say I shouldn't write as long as I'm not married.

I certainly don't even intend to get consecrated or ordained.

If some "Catholic authorities" in your Church are trying to foist that on me on account of my being an Apologist that is a very major scandal. In fact, an equal reason for me to not take them for the Church that Jesus founded, because they do not have the grace of their state or purported such.

10:19 Interactions were from start and remain the core or even heart of my Apologetics.

Some aren't very monetisable. These comments could probably not get printed, since understanding them takes watching your video. But interacting with your video has at least shown you are among my enemies, as to my plans of getting a decent life as I see it. In order to make them understandable in print, I'd need to borrow larger chunks of your video than copyright rules of fair use would allow, unless you allowed it. So, this post per se is not very monetisable.

But online (i e readable for free) it has its use as a debunking of your very full scale, though oblique attack.

10:30 "a narcissism factor which goes against every virtue the faith insists that we aim for."

So sorry, but the actual Catholic faith does not insist that we abandon all that Jordan Peterson could label narcissism.** Are you buying into his perversion of moral theology because you are Canadian, or because your priest and bishop have converted to his religion?

Again, the sin of pride does not consist in narcissism, of every shade. And narcissism does not destroy the virtue of humility or lead to mortal degrees of pride.

10:56 In my current situation, as homeless and unmarried man without income, I have lots of things that are even more overwhelming than social media.

The exact same guys who want to limit my exposure to social media have also hijacked log-ins for toxic debates that for three days, once even with two ladies for a whole month heaped abuse after abuse on my intellect and repeated points I had refuted. AND when I am offline, they have their methods of getting at me too.

My blog is actually actively marketed by me in the neighbourhood, and some who have no response to me on their own will consult a far wider readership I have abroad.

A girl I used to see sometimes, probably put up to it by someone with your views, required me to stay offline an entire day to be worthy to just maybe see her five minutes in the evening, while the other people going by do not necessarily respect either my sleep or my working on sewing or my reading. I have pricked my finger with the needle because of people passing by when I was sewing who surprised me with a loud "bonjour" just to take me "out of myself" or "out of my bubble" ... it's on social media that I find a relative coherence. See known faces. Hear discourses that fit in or don't fit in with what for instance yourself has said on other occasions.

11:57 The one thing you should really look for when searching instruction is "are they knowledgeable" ... I am that. Frankly, arguably more than you.

"Are they" or "is he" or "is she mature" is a question one should ask lots less, not just about social media figures, but about people in general.

Toxic and manipulative narcissistic networks feed on people being on the watchout against the immature, against the narcissists (namely when the word means vanity) and so on, that watching out helps to isolate people.

One should obviously be on the lookout against toxic and manipulative people insofar one finds warning signals going off. But not to the degree of every beggar or every business proposal being evaluated as a risk of manipulation. (I fall between the two categories, btw).

12:09 I have time to debate.

You seem bent on demonising that. Which frankly helps to keep me single because it helps to keep me poor. And of recently, helps to destabilise the kind of friendships I had with Catholics online.

They cannot reasonably be replaced by a sacristan who thinks I'm so immature that I need him as a kind of mentor or otherwise I need some other kind of mentor. Being around people with such plans for me is frankly very toxic. Especially as his approach to Catholicism involves pretty much dogmatising Evolution, gulping in the fake news that Church Fathers weren't Young Earth Creationist, pushing out Young Earth Creationism to Protestants, hinting at my insincerity of Catholic confession because I don't make a sign of the Cross every time I mention my mother who has died ...

He is a fairly stable man. So far he has also been pretty stably patronising to me, pretty stably avoiding subjects on my blogs, pretty stably very probably telling the youth in the nearby parish to do so as well. I don't feel a need for stable men at all costs, and especially not at the cost of being infantilised by them.

12:19 "healthy limits" "falling prey to" ...

You are presupposing kind of an entire moral theology about the use of social media. And I don't find it in the Church Fathers. Feel free to show me otherwise.

13:39 I'm not a speaker for audiences, and I don't offer personal advice.

14:43 Fewer conferences, perhaps?

When it comes to "unequal relation" it has been years by now that you, Heschmeyer, Lofton, Horn, Akin*** and probably a few more have been alterted to the fact that I consider myself your colleague, albeit so far less successful in making a living.

I have at times pointed out flaws in your apologetics, and proposed my own solutions as better. Instead of responding to the debate or to the colleague, you have kind of taken a response as if I were either:
a) a newbie needing your advice (negative to my carreere begun before you even began yours, except Akin)
or
b) an audience needing to take more emotional distance.

I'm neither. If I were pursuing a carreere in Academia, which I'm not, I would naturally try to stick around people in the Classics and Medieval departments. And especially with people who had a better position in the carreere, even if they had begun it later. Now, I'm pursuing a carreere in Apologetics. To me that suggests spending some time pretty substantially on online Apologists and sorry, you, Heschmeyer, Lofton, Horn and Akin are.

The sacristan who thinks I'm childish isn't.

14:43 bis
While my presence in the neighbourhood is being poisoned in ways I already described, I just noticed a shrink doing skype sessions (he mentions "vos symptomes" ...)

I think it's neither absurdly narcissistic nor paranoid to conclude some are actively trying to push me out of my sector. Or sectors. Like Chesterton I also do social commentary. Or cultural and historic commentary. And yes, I spend time on both adversaries and allies in those fields as well.

15:00 The Church cannot constantly be changing its rules in response to scandals.

Your suggestion suggests to me, what you belong to is not the Catholic Church.

15:00 bis

In fact, one of my major misgivings about Popes Michael I (departed in 2022) and Michael II is, noticing that social media is a way of influencing, a) they preach informally online (not bad in itself), and b) they seem to imagine the rest of Catholic online influencers shouldn't exist or should act like their employees. I say "seem to" because they have never in fact clearly said so.

"The Pope is chief responsible for preaching and teaching" - true.
"The Pope must use social media for preaching and teacning" - also true. But not quite the same sense.

I suspect they may have concluded, in their heart:
"The Pope is chief responsible for Catholic use of social media, other actors act on his behalf" - not true.

But if I entertained any hope of escaping that by going to "Leo XIV" you tend to dash that. Even apart from me doubting him being able to explain "John Paul II" ...

___________________

Now, I note that all my previous comments have disappeared.

I also note that apart from "having to subscribe" to guidelines, how would you even enforce them?

Suppose a "self proclaimed" Catholic influencer (influencers being by definition mostly self proclaimed, except those who for some reason need it to complement another job, like Donald Trump or Pope Michael II) were faced with these "guidelines" and said "no, I'm not signing this" ... how would anyone react?

By silent marginalisation? Chasing algorithms to bring down someone's viewers? Sounds like an act of piracy to me. Like the piracy I suspect you guys have been pretty involved with. Perhaps beyond passively obeying orders not to engage with me.

By excommunication? Becoming a media influencer is not consecrating bishops without an apostolic mandate.

By refusing to "accredit" an influencer? So far influencers have not needed accreditation in a formal way. Catholic Answers and yourself have probably profited greatly from some informal accreditation, which doesn't raise you to magisterial status, but Robert Sungenis has come pretty far without that from bishops. Perhaps he had it from networks. But perhaps some good content creators actually get things rolling around their work if not their financial affairs in my case, and it means they get along without accreditation.

In fact, there is no single law in the Catholic Church that, even if your Pope were the correct one, forbade my activity (other than occasional promotions of what would in that case be the wrong Pope). Or, if you think § 283 actually makes a total ban on Catholics supporting Young Earth Creationism and Geocentrism, it would be interesting to know if Kolbe Center and Sungenis got a dispensation.

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* The millstone is mentioned in connection with scandal in all three synoptics. Mt 18, Mk 9, Lk 17. St. John mentions one in Apocalypse, perhaps as application of the one mentioned by Jesus in the Gospel. Apoc. 18.
** The word has two very different uses. The one is is here, Brian refers to vanity, overestimating one's attractiveness. An egregious degree of this could be the song "everybody loves me baby, what's the matter with you" ... but below that degree, it need not be poison. Chesterton labels it a weakness, like overeating. He was aware of his weaknesses. The very different use is when narcissist comes in phrases like "surviving a relationship with a toxic narcissist" ...
*** I also don't disdain Robert Sungenis or Dimond Brothers. While differring from both on issues.

Monday, July 14, 2025

Linguistic Related


"A Modest Proposal" (No, not that one) · Linguistic Related

Q I
How can linguists tell which languages are related to each other, and how distantly?
https://www.quora.com/How-can-linguists-tell-which-languages-are-related-to-each-other-and-how-distantly/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Hans-Georg Lundahl
amateur linguist
14.VII.2025
It’s not always that they can, if “related” means “descend from common parents language”.

When it comes to languages as closely related as Dutch and English or Spanish and French, there is basically no doubt they are related (or, if Germanic languages descend from more than one parents language, all descend from both or all, not one from one and other from other with mutual influences).

Similarily Finnish and Sapmi, Turkish and Azeri and so on …

But when it comes to saying Germanic and Romance both (supposedly) descend from Proto-Indo-European, I find that as uncertain as saying Finnish and Turkish both descend from Proto-Altaic. Hint: an Altaic unity has been proposed, pretty accepted, and then rejected.

As unsure as it would be if one proposed Altaic, Indo-European, Eskimo-Aleutic all descended from Nostratic, which some do.

If all examples of languages having both differences and similarities and the similarities well beyond pure coincidence were just explained by the languages starting identic and drifting apart, fine, if so one could certainly make a case for knowing “German is more related to Dutch than to French, more to French than to Finnish, more to Finnish (possibly even) than to Greenlandic Eskimo” … but the problem is, another process can also explain it, they start out unrelated, they then are spoken in areas with lots of bilingual speakers and so both words and systematic features are mutually borrowed.

One of the cases for Altaic was vowel harmony. Here is current wikipedia[1] on that vowel harmony:

There are some proposed sound correspondences for Tungusic languages. For example, Norman (1977) supports a Proto-Tungusic *t > Manchu s when followed by *j in the same stem, with any exceptions arising from loanwords. Some linguists believe there are connections between the vowel harmony of Proto-Tungusic and some of the neighboring non-Tungusic languages. For example, there are proposals for an areal or genetic correspondence between the vowel harmonies of Proto-Korean, Proto-Mongolian, and Proto-Tungusic based on an original RTR harmony. This is one of several competing proposals, and on the other hand, some reconstruct Proto-Tungusic without RTR harmony.


Obviously, “areal” means, they borrowed this feature from each other, “genetic” means a reference to common parent language. In other words, linguists don’t know, it could have happened either way. If the differences are bigger than the similarities, areal features may take less time, if they are on the other hand smaller than the similarities (as with German and Dutch) a common parent language takes less time.

A Creationist and an Evolutionist will disagree on which explanation for Nostratic language similarities is the better one. So, if Nostratic is genetic, Proto-Nostratic was spoken “If the Nostratic hypothesis is true, then Proto-Nostratic was most likely spoken between 15,000 and 12,000 BCE.”[2] Now, as a Creationist, I don’t believe that date even existed. The carbon dates would correspond[3] to actual dates, in my own somewhat amateur table:

2699 BC (!)
20.835 pmC, dated as 15,666 BC

2691 BC
Eber born

2686 BC
24.08 pmC, dated as 14,456 BC

2660 BC
30.555 pmC, dated as 12,461 BC

2647 BC
33.784 pmC, dated as 11,618 BC


So, obviously, for Nostratic similarities, I prefer areal features. I make a similar point about Indo-European and Altaic.

Footnotes

[1] Tungusic languages - Wikipedia
[2] https://study.com/academy/lesson/nostratic-language-family-history-research-reconstruction.html
[3] Newer Tables, Flood to Joseph in Egypt

Q II
Is Italy as simple a language as English?
https://www.quora.com/Is-Italy-as-simple-a-language-as-English/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Answer requested by
Md.Shakhawath Hossan

Hans-Georg Lundahl
amateur linguist
9.VII.2025
Probably a bit simpler overall.

  • simpler spelling
  • fewer tenses (English has sixteen)
  • simpler declinsion (Italian only has plurals, positions, prepositions).


On the more complexities for Italian side:

  • more Italian tenses are simple and therefore sometimes irregular
  • the declinsion of Italian pronouns is less simple.


Hans-Georg Lundahl
14.VII.2025
Italian, not Italy, by the way. Italy is the country.

Q III
How do we know that Classical Latin had nasal vowels? For example, how do we know that "monstrum" was pronounced [ˈmõː.strũː] as Wiktionary suggests and not [ˈmon.strum] in c.100 BC-100 AD? Have French and Portuguese retained nasal vowels from Latin?
https://www.quora.com/How-do-we-know-that-Classical-Latin-had-nasal-vowels-For-example-how-do-we-know-that-monstrum-was-pronounced-%CB%88m%C3%B5%CB%90-str%C5%A9%CB%90-as-Wiktionary-suggests-and-not-%CB%88mon-strum-in-c-100-BC-100-AD-Have/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Answer requested by
Dan Kost

Hans-Georg Lundahl
none/ apprx Masters in Latin (language) & Greek (language), Lund University
14.VII.2025
Latin lost nasal vowels and French and Portuguese got new ones.

How we know? Like we know French and Portuguese have them now. For how the language was pronounced, we don’t just have the spelling, we also have grammarians describing it.

Q IV
How many words do I need to create a language? I have the structure, I just need to build my vocabulary.
https://www.quora.com/How-many-words-do-I-need-to-create-a-language-I-have-the-structure-I-just-need-to-build-my-vocabulary/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1


Answer requested by
Aileana Rose

Hans-Georg Lundahl
amateur linguist
11.VII.2025
What do you want the language FOR?

If you want to replace Esperanto, you need pretty many words.

If you want to write a few poems by imagined populations, you need about as many words as there are in the poems. Consequently, not surprisingly, Quenya actually has fewer words than Esperanto. Shocking, I know, but that’s the fact.

Q V
How do linguists use historical reconstruction to determine if a language was originally ergative or accusative, especially when written records are scarce?
https://www.quora.com/How-do-linguists-use-historical-reconstruction-to-determine-if-a-language-was-originally-ergative-or-accusative-especially-when-written-records-are-scarce/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2


Hans-Georg Lundahl
amateur linguist
8.VI.2025
If all daughter languages are consistently accusative, one presumes the parent language was accusative, if they are ergative, ergative.

If the languages differ, or if there are inconsistencies about accusative / ergative within a language, linguists would probably argue both hypotheses, one arguing one, another arguing the other.

I think the linguists who argue ergative for original PIE do so because of traits they don’t find totally consistent with fully accusative type, in some of the daughter languages.

Q VI
How do constructed languages (like Esperanto) handle agglutination, and do they draw any inspiration from Indo-European examples?
https://www.quora.com/How-do-constructed-languages-like-Esperanto-handle-agglutination-and-do-they-draw-any-inspiration-from-Indo-European-examples/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2


Hans-Georg Lundahl
amateur linguist
13.VI.2025
Constructed languages are not one family, there are many differences between Esperanto and Quenya, and also between them and Proto-Indo-European.

It depends who is constructing, what he is constructing it for (Esperanto as auxiliary language, Quenya as art language, PIE as linguistically reconstructed language) and (apart from the last category) personal choices.

So, the short answer is “in different ways” and the question is, by the term “constructed languages” so broadly asked, I cannot give a longer or more exhaustive answer.

Q VII
Is it possible to reach b2 level bulgarian in 1 year?
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-possible-to-reach-b2-level-bulgarian-in-1-year/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2


Hans-Georg Lundahl
amateur linguist
10.VII.2025
  1. Depends on your native language or previous good level foreign languages. Is it or one of them Slavic? If so, probably yes.
  2. Also depends on your learning routine. If you immerse yourself in Bulgarian several hours a day for one year, without skipping a day and without skipping the grammar, probably yes or at least B1, even if you don’t speak any Slavic language prior to Bulgarian.


Q VIII
How significant were the Silk roads in mixing cultures and languages between Mesopotamia and Asia? Could this explain linguistic similarities?
https://www.quora.com/How-significant-were-the-Silk-roads-in-mixing-cultures-and-languages-between-Mesopotamia-and-Asia-Could-this-explain-linguistic-similarities/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2


Hans-Georg Lundahl
Studied Latin (language) at Lund University
10.VII.2025
Oh, on the last question, maybe could. Obviously depends on how long it has been at work for.

Speaking of that, did you know that European branches of Indo-European had a cross road from the Mediterranean to Denmark in 1400–1200 BC. Maybe also could explain a few similarities now put down to common heritage from PIE.

On the first question, I don’t know much on the subject, but I would say very important. Just my spontaneous hunch from half remembered items of information and things.

Q IX
How do people balance the cultural importance of regional languages with the practical difficulties of learning them?
https://www.quora.com/How-do-people-balance-the-cultural-importance-of-regional-languages-with-the-practical-difficulties-of-learning-them/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2


Hans-Georg Lundahl
amateur linguist
10.VII.2025
  1. What people? Locals already know them.
  2. For non-locals, that’s up to their taste!


Q X
Why do people say Finnish is more complex than French? What makes Finnish grammar so challenging compared to other European languages?
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-people-say-Finnish-is-more-complex-than-French-What-makes-Finnish-grammar-so-challenging-compared-to-other-European-languages/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2


Hans-Georg Lundahl
amateur linguist
11.VII.2025
Totally depends on which language you start with.

Finnish has more noun cases than French. But French has more verb forms than Finnish.

Q XI
If English "tear" shares the same Indo-European root as Latin "lacrima" and Greek "dacryma", why is there no trace of the 'c' sound in the English word? Why is it not spelt "teighr", as Indo-European *k usually gives 'gh' in English (as in "eight")?
https://www.quora.com/If-English-tear-shares-the-same-Indo-European-root-as-Latin-lacrima-and-Greek-dacryma-why-is-there-no-trace-of-the-c-sound-in-the-English-word-Why-is-it-not-spelt-teighr-as-Indo-European-k-usually-gives-gh-in/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2


Answer requested by
Teo Samarzija

Hans-Georg Lundahl
Studied Latin (language) at Lund University
12.VII.2025
Whether or not “Indo-European” is the true origin of the word or not, pre-Germanic to Germanic gives k > χ, and then from there:

  • χ > h word initially
  • χ = ach-laut and χ > ich-laut in some other positions, spelled -gh (eight used to be pronounced eiçt)
  • χ > disappears, and sooner in some positions (like before -r) than in others (eight lost the sound only later).


Pokorny states that 316. dak̂ru- occurs in Greek (from whence borrowed into Latin), in Celtic, both P and Q) and in Germanic. A similar word 50. ak̂ru occurs in Indo-Iranian, Lithuanian, Tocharian.

Sunday, July 13, 2025

What if So Called "Christo-Fascists" Really Were Christian Fascists?


Where are prolifers and what do they think of what is happening now?
Parkrose Permaculture | 6 July 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4IpoZ4nGLE


Fascism in Italy was certainly pro-life, in the common sense of the term, namely, a woman aborted alone (of sane mind and over 14), she got between 1 and 4 years. A woman aborted with medical assistance, both she and doctors got between 2 and 5 years. A minor under 14 was not presumed capable of validly consenting to abortion, so whoever had induced her to do that got between 6 and 12 years. Franco's law of 1941 didn't se terms like so and so many years, but "pena de prisión mayor a reclusión menor en su grado mínimo ." (forced abortion, penalty for provider) or ""pena de prisión en sus grados medio y máximo" (provider if woman consents, except in cases of invalid consent).

H O W E V E R ... Italy also was, under Mussolini, a welfare state. More moderate than Social Democracies, but still. Motherhood of the poor was sponsored.

Health care was sponsored.

There was certainly death penalty, but, apart from squadristi committing illegal acts, which Mussolini started to curb some time after the civil war, starting with the aftermath of a squadrista killing a parliamentarian (Matteotti), death penalties from 1930 to 1940 were 118 + 65 sentences of which 65 + 53 were carried out (crimes against the state and common crimes). Somewhat more violent than Florida, considering on the one hand that 113 executions are a comparable number but for a longer timespan (since 1976) and on the other hand that it's for a larger population in Italy.

I'm not opposed to death penalty per se, provided there is due process and no inflation in them. Death row in the US has become a cruelty over and above the penalty, because lawyers are wanting to exonerate some on the excuse of madness and some guards are actually trying to make them mad.

But callousness about poverty started out as a trait of early Malthusian capitalists, not of Fascist opposition to abortion.

Under Franco, there were probably more executions, notably against ETA members (haven't checked how many), but here also a real concern for welfare state made "abortion of poverty" a non-issue.

The one excuse I can think of for cutting Medicaid is a top heavier age pyramid (due to abortion and contraception, notably) in today's USA than in Italy of 1930 or Spain of 1941. Even there one should arguably fight for keeping the benefits, if only one also fights against abortion.




Checking the tax cuts.

Starting in 2029, those making $30,000 a year or less would see a tax increase, while the top 0.1 percent would get a $309,000 tax cut, on average – an annual tax break that is more than three times what the typical American household earns in an entire year.


That's the assessment of Gavin Newsom. Not unbiassed, but I'll believe him. Because, you see, that is exactly what is done in Sweden as well. So, Donald Trump is copying Social Democratic Sweden.




The "eaten by alligators" part sounds like the Berlin wall.

Again, Mussolini and Franco weren't the party comrades of Honecker. Honecker was a Bolshevik. (Broadly speaking: Socialist Unity Party of Germany, formed in 1946 through a unification of the East German branches of the Communist Party of Germany and the Social Democratic Party of Germany, the SED aimed to consolidate progressive working-class politics under a common platform of Marxist–Leninist ideals.) His widow, before dying, expressed feeling no regret about the automatic firing on those trying to migrate out of East Germany, pretending "they didn't need to get out" ...

The alligator comment makes me about as angry as that infamous Arizona sheriff who prided himself on emptying water bottles so as to kill anyone trying to pass the Sonora desert. Again, a man not unlike Honecker.

(My apologies to any Swiss Honegger with two G, for having at times spelled this evil politician with two G instead of his actual CK ...)




"I don't know how you overcome that"

Third party?

Combining Pro-Life and School Freedom positions of Republicans with some welfare directed ones by Bernie Sanders?

That's pretty much what I mean with Fascism, minus the dictatorship, and the dictatorship was anyway a makeshift in the face of civil war actually started by reds (Biennio Rosso, Red Terror under Caballero) ... not per se an ideal.

The growing call to excommunicate "devout Catholic" ICE Director Tom Homan
Parkrose Permaculture | 14 July 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFOSivOkGCw


Whoever signed that order of discontinuing asylum rights for churches could also be excommunicated for sacrilegious policy making.

2:37 If your Presbyterian background hails from the Mayflower, they already had religious liberty in the Netherlands.

4:24 He is. He should already be excommunicated.

5:00 The persons who are willing to give Homan communion are the persons who were willing to give Biden communion despite pro-abortion policies.

Final words: "incredibly powerful" and "this time ... the right side of history"?

The Catholic Church is not incredibly powerful and when was it "on the wrong side of history" as those words imply?

Raymond Diocrès? Fake News in History, I'd Say


Fame Can Lead to Hell: Message from a Dead Man
The Catholic Men's Podcast | 10 July 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UJ9bUjUQgw


I'm sorry, but I think Monsignor de Ségur was in error.

1) If Raymond Diocrès (supposing he existed) died in 1080, he died 70 years before the University of Paris was even founded.
2) St. Bruno himself died, blessedly, 49 years before the University of Paris was founded.
3) Prior to leaving the world*, St. Bruno was a canon of the archdiocese of Rheims. He went well along with one bishop, couldn't stand his successor, and when the successor was removed, avoided to get elected himself. By becoming the first Carthusian. So, the story is a) set in the wrong city for St. Bruno and b) apt to hide the kind of scandal about clergy that his real story involves.
4) Just as Italy's "Cheka" is known exclusively from Amerigo Dumini's activity as a criminal, which he got sentenced for, so Raymond Diocrès is known exclusively for this miracle after he died. If he had been a famous professor at the University of Paris or simply just a famous teacher under the Cathedral of Paris (which obviously existed before the university) what was he famed for?

I conclude for these reasons, Raymond Diocrès never existed.

The fame that St. Bruno wanted to avoid for the sake of his soul was the fame as archbishop of Rheims, not as a teacher under the bishop of Paris.




I'm not sure whether you or Monsignor de Ségur is in error on this one.

But, Fame Can Lead to Hell is definitely not included in the story as you read it, rather it is fame does not protect from Hell or more broadly respectability doesn't.

I'll suppose you were the ones in error, since no single word of what you read from Monsignor de Ségur mentioned that the supposed Raymond Diocrès was condemned for being famous or for sth even in connection with his fame.

Some people can, because of their fame, come to be negligent of Christian virtue, if everyone else counts on them going to Heaven why shouldn't they? Well, some find out when it's too late that presumption is both a sin and a gateway to other sins.

Others can be lured via fame to vanity and via vanity to actual arrogance, the mortal degree of pride.

Still others would abuse their fame, a late Protestant pastor was revealed as a manipulative seducer after he died, and obviously, fame can propose that to anyone .... who's likely to fall for it.

But fame in itself does NOT lead to Hell.

The idea that it does is based on a Protestant view which views Satan as being still the prince of this world, in control of who gets power and fame and riches, and this is not the Catholic faith.

* For non-Catholic readers, this is not a synonym for physically dying, it is a technical term for entering religion.

Candace Owens is Pretty Right on Palestine


Ignorant Palestinian Woman Mocked by Zionist, But the Joke is On Him, Not Her · Candace Owens is Pretty Right on Palestine

Candace Owens, Antisemite? Has She Gone Too Far? No.
Mere Tradition with Kennedy Hall | 12 July 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_GlpchV1mc


4:53 Would you agree that hatred of Palestinians is also understood in this condemnation of hatred of Jews, given that the ancestry of Palestinians 2000 years ago was:

  • Jews
  • Samarians
  • Men of Galilee?


Labradorite*
@labradoriteatheart
There is no such thing as palestine/palestinians. The arabs in gaza and in Israel's Judea and Samaria are egyptians.** STOP YOUR LIES AND PROPAGANDA.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@hglundahl
@labradoriteatheart The one who is here promoting lies is yourself.

I'm not saying they are your lies, but they are still lies.


* "Chaîne sans contenu" / no content on the channel. In other words, the equivalent of an anonymous comment, and actually hate comment.

** I've even heard peninsular Arabs, Egyptians is inaccurate, but slightly less so. About as accurate as calling a Mitsrahi Jew Egyptian. If Jordanians and Lebanese are the closest matches of 23 and me for a pure Palestinian, that means that the greater Israel prophecied in Isaias 11 is already achieved long ago, so that Judah and Ephraim (the actual peoples of West Bank Palestinians, especially Christians) have mixed with Edom, Moab and Ammon, and gone out to Egypt and also later further North into Syria and Lebanon.