Thursday, August 7, 2025

I think an actual Inquisitor actually represents the Catholic Church


In other words the layman's club called Catholic Truth (not sure if affiliated to Sheed and Ward's Catholic truth guild) here did some overkill. It's true he wasn't executed for translating the Bible, in Vilvoorde an English Bible was practically irrelevant, English wasn't as big a language yet, but he had a Church judge prior to being delivered to "the secular arm" (i e the State), so, the video got a like because Kate is pretty, not because Bryan Mercier is highly competent.


Did the Catholic Church Really Kill Tyndale?
Catholic Truth | 7 Aug. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shFrkLLcB-0


1:24 Henry VIII never was a Protestant. He was in communion with Lutherans, but he never was one himself. He died as a Catholic believer (on most of not all accounts) in Schism against the Pope.

While he was the one opposing Tyndale's translation, Tyndale was actually burned by the Spanish Inquisition in the Netherlands, in Vilvoorde, modern Belgium, for an actual crime against the faith. He misinterpreted Romans 3. The Tyndale society carefully preserves and has translated the text of Jacobus Latomus, and his, I think third, refutation of Tyndale.* Had Tyndale recanted, he could have lived.

Vince Giangiacomo
Verge63
Henry VIII burned Tyndale for denouncing his divorce

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@hglundahl
@Verge63 No ... even a quick wikipedia check would find you he was burned in Vilvoorde, where Henry VIII had absolutely no authority and where his divorce was not a very well looked on event.

Charles V had absolutely no motive to take revenge on a man for dissing the divorce of Henry VIII, of which his relative Catherine of Aragon was a victim.


2:20 His Inquisitor actually gave him opportunity to continue translation efforts. I think it's Trent Horn I have that from.

According to CSL (who considered him a saint, a martyr, paradoxically along with St. Thomas More, in his Latin correspondence with an Italian priest, I think), Douay Rheims actually took hints from Tyndale, no less than King James took some from Douay Rheims. The most egregious mistranslation in KJV, Matthew 6:7, is not from the Tyndale Bible, but from the Geneva Bible via the Bishops' Bible. Calvin had a bee in the bonnet against repetitive prayers.

4:52 It would be fairer to say that Charles V took a tip from Henry VIII, and had him arrested.

James Latomus was his judge, and he was an Inquisitor in full communion with Rome. I know, technically it isn't the Inquisitor who pronounces the death penalty, he functions as a coroner, a judge of enquiry finding guilty or not guilty, while a judge of the state pronounces the death penalty after he was found guilty.

The real irony is when some Protestants who believe in Lordship Salvation uphold Tyndale, since his heresy specifically was a free grace message, a total denial of Lordship Salvation.

Obviously, Lordship Salvation looks differently in Catholics and those Evangelicals who believe it, but nonetheless ...

Note:

* My bad, actually first of the three. I cite it in this article, in a fact box below an intro with bold:

Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: A Good Video on Inquisition, with Some Quibbles of Mine
https://assortedretorts.blogspot.com/2018/05/a-good-video-on-inquisition-with-some.html


The Tyndale Society still has a page with Latomus' text:

Jacob Latomus His Three Books of Confutations Against William Tyndale
https://web.archive.org/web/20080517104730/http://www.tyndale.org/Reformation/1/latomus1.html

Wednesday, August 6, 2025

Genetically Modified Sceptic Has a Point


He also has less of a point on other issues, as he wants to replace "Fundamentalist" with "religious extremist" in the broader sense outside Evangelical Fundamentalists who actually have sth directly to do with The Fundamentals or Chicago Statement of Faith.

Calling it, in general "religious extremism" is obviously a Commie or Atheist move. It's more of a prescriptive "don't do that, it's extreme, normal people don't do that" than descriptive. It's clearly an exonomym from people regarding themselves for some reason as non-religious.


"Fundamentalist" DOESN'T mean that!
Genetically Modified Skeptic | 6 Aug. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt0JHLhjadY


1:33 You mean* the polar opposite of Evangelical Fundamentalism.

A Lutheran or Catholic "Fundamentalist" in the broader sense would obviously not rely on Scofield and therefore not necessarily be Zionist.

I quit Zionism over, as a Catholic seeking out fellow "Fundamentalists" (the actual term would be Traditionalists, Lefebvrians or ... as to laymen ... "faithful of the SSPX" ... SSPX as such is just the priests and religious: there are other Trad groups, like Conclavism too). A man outside St. Nicolas du Chardonnet sold a tract saying Palestinians are Israelites, which is correct on purely historic grounds.

Not sure exactly where the "Fundie" Augustana synod or Missouri synod stand among Lutherans on this issue, I was a sympathiser with them and without direct access too short to find out, but mainstream Swedish Lutherans have a connection to the Haredim (a modernist "priestess" mentioned she had been Sabbath goy and lit cigarettes for some), since Lutherans nowadays believe in cosplaying the OT as part of theological and sometimes catechetic education. A certain Greta Thunberg whose grandfather or greatgrandfather was a Swedish clergyman is famous for not being Zionist.

2:00 Your term "religious extremism" is also used about drastically different groups and on top of that more a term of rejection than of description.

It comes from a place I could describe as "religious extremism" in the religion of Evolutionism (which in its pure form, without syncretism with Christianity or Islam is called Atheism). But thanks for clearing up a Catholic Trad, an Evangelical actual Fundie, a Haredi Jew, a Salafi Muslim are NOT the same.

* He had mentioned Haredim often opposing Zionism.

Censored at Good Sense Question


First, my comment was immediately censored. When I tried to add another comment under it, it couldn't happen, meaning the comment must be gone.



Second, here is the video short or the link to it, and after it my comments, with the last § added afterwards, and impossible to add under the video, the "short" I mean:

@fryrsquared
L'Atlantide pourrait-elle se trouver dans la mer du Nord ? (Bien sûr que non, mais quelque chose ...*
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Afwxk4peYys


Do you have a source for the skull being Neanderthal?

Could you have misread "Netherlands"?

Because, on my creationist view, the sinking of Doggerland is post-Babel and Neanderthals are pre-Flood.

On the Evolutionist view, the skull is 13 500 years old** and Neanderthals died out at the latest in 28 000 BP (Goreham Cave, Gibraltar, only tools have been found and the material so dated is charcoal).

The actual Neanderthal Krijn is 50 000 to 70 000 years ago, on the Evolutionary version of carbon dates, and was found in Zeeland, not in Doggerland.***

* Unfortunately, the title is automatically translated to French bc. I watch from France. I'd translate back: Could Atlantis be below the North Sea? (Of course not, but something ...)

** North Sea: Oldest human remains and oldest art from the North Sea
Rijksmuseum van Oudheden | 9 February 2018
https://www.rmo.nl/en/news-press/news/oldest-human-remains-and-oldest-art-from-the-north-sea/


*** Face to face with Krijn: Dutch Neanderthal now has a face
Rijksmuseum van Oudheden | 7 September 2021
https://www.rmo.nl/en/news-press/news/the-first-dutch-neanderthal-now-has-a-face/

"You Can't Read the Bible on Your Own" ... Is That Precise?


How to Study the Bible as a Layman
Decrevi Determined to be Catholic @thecatholicman | 5 août 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS6a_FNmucA


0:10 I've heard from Robert Sungenis, the textual apparatus and cultural explanations and whatnot are top notch BUT it unfortunately includes the modernist view of Genesis 1 through 11 in the comments.

6:59 Ah yes, in France (and presumably Belgium and Switzerland) there is a Magnificat in French.

14:16 "you can't interpret the Bible on your own"

Magisterial and pre-Vatican II source, please?

1) You can't interpret prophecy of the OT without knowing the NT is certain: the Ethiopian Eunuch.
2) You should take care not to read Scripture as unlearned and unstable (St. Peter singled out some passages in St. Paul's Epistles)
3) If you interpret the Bible on your own and come up with something contrary to what the Church hath held and now holds or also to the consensus of the fathers, you are wrong.
4) If a whole set of communities have as basic principle,_everyone_ interprets the Bible on his own, it can't achieve unity.

I've featured: Acts, II Peter, Trent session IV, Pius XI (was it Mortalium Animos?).

BUT: none of these says in so many words that no Christian can interpret the Bible on his own. They just say there are pitfalls if he does and passages he won't get. Not that he absolutely can't. Christians are obviously now in a better position to interpret OT prophecy because we have the NT.

Now, let me be precise. In a matter where a Christian who already is a Catholic (I've converted) actually has access to the interpretation of the Church (over centuries and two millennia, as per Trent IV), he cannot on his own say "no, I'll interpret it in the opposite way" ... Ephesians 2 verses 8 to 10, notice I said 10, not 9, indicate justification is not from good works prior to justification, but involves signing up for good works. If I tried to deny this aspect, relying on a common Protestant interpretation of Ephesians 2 verses 8 and 9, and then tried to gloss over verse 10, for one thing, it wouldn't be on my own, I would be overrelying on Protestants instead of believing my own better judgement, but for another thing, in such a context NOT relying on the Church would obviously be fatal ... as well as not common to a conclusion agreeing with the Church, if we happen to read that without access to Catholic doctrine.

Now, the Catholic Church has NOT dogmatised how Genesis lines up with archaeology. That's the ONE item where I've actually done some original interpretation, notably identifying Nimrod's Babel of Genesis 10 and more story details 11 with Göbekli Tepe, I'm highly confident, I have not spoken against the position that the Church hath held and holds, as well as, I double-checked, the interpretation of the text is not uniformly "one vertical piece of ground fixed architecture." In Postilla in libros Geneseos, St. Thomas (or a contemporary, but I think it's a youth work of his) suggests the reading "city wall with many towers forming a skyline" rather than "skyscraper" ... this means, the idea that Nimrod was intending a rocket, but incompetent, and that God stopped him to give Wernher von Braun a chance is NOT going against universal tradition.

Also, I'm very well aware that the spiritual reward of reading Genesis is not acquiring a carbon 14 conversion table, but I'm equally aware that Genesis 1 to 11 are historic fact, theologically, and scientifically, that if one can date an item with organic matter independently of the carbon date, that functions as a calibration of the carbon date. I think a historic overview with archaeological support is very helpful when the historic truth of Genesis 1 to 11 is under attack. As I've heard that Study Bible does attack the historic reliability of those chapters. Obviously the older Haydock comment (also Catholic, c. 100 years older than Scofield's ineptitudes) doesn't attack it.

Tuesday, August 5, 2025

I Prefer Per Engdahl over Fridtjuv Bergh


Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Defending Connor's Honour, So Far (And One Comment,15, Was Censored as I Corrected It) · Friendly Atheist Took On Connor (part I) · I Prefer Per Engdahl over Fridtjuv Bergh · New blog on the kid: In Response to Doug Wilson Who Responded to Caleb Campbell (pastor)

This Recording Might Get Me Cancelled...
Metatron's Academy | 5 Aug. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybM7poP7sTg


6:02 Indeed, not a one to one in every language.

I would consider the word Fascist has in Eastern Europe come to be a euphemism for NSDAP possibly along with Ustashi. Two versions I abhor.

I think that in some parts, notably of the English speaking world (if not Mehdi Hasan), one is more aware of Mussolini, Franco, Dollfuss and von Schuschnigg. And some would extend it beyond technical dictators, like both US and the Swedish Fascist Per Engdahl would count Perón as Fascist. Some in the US count Olof Palme as Fascist (I recall that was the case with the late Lyndon LaRouche), while Per Engdahl has a more insider perspective. There is a man who served as liaison between Per Engdahl and the Social Democratic government, which is how the Social Democrats came to embrace some of the basics of Corporativism, like Employers and Employees are not naturally born to enmity. In Sweden the practical solution was different from le corporazioni (which means sth pretty different from US American corporations).

12:13 No. Not all his W. All his digraph WH.

These were distinct, like in Swedish "hvete" (wheat) from "veta" (know), though the distinction was lost centuries ago, most or all dialects. Mean-WH-ile some few dialects retain the distinction between the W-sound (both "hvete" and ""veta") and the V sound (like "sof" and "sofva") spelled F or before vowels FV.

There is obviously a huge difference between a linguistic change converging three sounds and a change of orthography imposed by the government, like scrapping HV, F and FV in 1906, flouting the "Caesar non supra grammaticam" principle. Other sounds, those with the main spellings J, TJ and SJ retain more than one spelling. The reform was totally illogical, and administrative overreach.

14:53 Gilbert Keith Chesterton was on a campaign against Oriental religions, specifically Islam and even more Hinduism and Buddhism.

This could explain why some in English associate the term with this campaign for Catholicism vs Oriental religions and manners.

In a poem that was meant to insult his employer (and succeeded to give him the sack), when it came to "cocoa" (he was employed in the cocoa press), he started his review with a comparison to previous item:

"tea, although an Oriental
is at least a gentleman" ...


Hope Connor James Estelle follows his example and becomes independent in media ... I'm not sure I like all his policies, but probably some, like he probably would want more affordable housing. It was a pretty big thing under Franco, and, well, I suppose Il Duce too.

17:42 I don't think "core" for "corps" is the first misspelling in the subtitles.

It's a common phenomenon. Computers can't think or understand.

An online page of the Latin Mass martyrology was obviously automatically scanned. Here is St. James:

Sancti Jacobi Apostoli, qui exstitit beati Joannis Evangelistae frater; et, prope festum Paschae ab Herode Agrippa decollatus, primus ex Apostolis coronam martyiii percepit. Ejus sacra ossa, ab Hierosolymis ad Hispanias hoc die translata, et in ultimis earum finibus apud Gallaeciam recondita, celeberrima illarum gentium veneratione, et frequenti Christianorum conctirsu, religionis et voti causa illuc adeuntium, pie coluntur.


conctirsu is obviously a misscan for concursu.

18:25 Yes, it very much did happen in French. Napoleone Buonaparte had as French nickname "le petit caporal" ... the change probably happened after Corporal was borrowed from French into English, German and diverse Scandinavian languages.

In French "corporal" is used for a liturgic vessel.

Liturgic textile, my bad.*

18:43 In English, "corps" is a recent loan from French, meaning, the last two letters are as silent as they are in French.

* The article had a photo of the paten on the corporal, and I forgot paten was the word for the vessel.

A Majority of 8.8 Million Scientists Does Not Equal Truth


Israelis: Do you believe in evolution?
Corey Gil-Shuster | 19 March 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DwvdjWF5t8


3:07 The scientists around the world are 8.8 million. Not all of them believe in Evolution. Not all of them believe in Heliocentrism.

It's about the population of Sweden, and Swedes sometimes believe very odd things, but, not all of them.

I left Sweden.

7:27 Young Earth Creationists generally don't deny that.

Give we all descend from Adam and Eve, some are black and some are very pale, such things had to happen.

Doesn't mean hedgehogs and cats had common ancestors.

9:01 Have you checked the theory of a Common Designer?

9:17 You cannot pressure change to involve gains of function, like human language would be.

Pressured change generally means less information (including for the mosquitos) or even extinction.

Israelis:
CR CR CR CR NE NE EV EV EV EV EV EV EV
01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13

4/13 Creationist
2/13 Neutral
7/13 Evolutionist

Palestinians: Do you believe in evolution?
Corey Gil-Shuster | 18 Nov. 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYiSMpC2fes


Palestinians
CR CR CR CR CR CR NE NE
01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08

3/4 Creationist
1/4 Neutral

Seems all of them were Muslims, can I hope Christian Palestinians also reject this evil tenet?

Monday, August 4, 2025

Intellectual Fraud, Antichristian: John Davis


Christianity is the Deadliest Religion of History (Here are the Statistics!)*
The Recovering Catholic | 3 Aug. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WrYP1UkndQ


Antipope Bergoglio had so much undue respect for Anticatholics, that him lapping up Anticatholic propaganda is no big news.

"Wiped out" ...

Nahuatl 1.7 million in Mexico, smaller number of speakers among Nahua immigrant communities in the United States (2020 census)
It's relative language Nawat has only 500 indigenous speakers, + 3000 learners, but they are of the ethnicity Pipil, 11,100, as well as Nicaraos, 20,000 +.

Quiché (language of the Mayas)
1.1 million (2019 census) ... and probably some more in the other country (spoken both in Mexico and Guatemala, the census was arguably only in one of the countries).

Aymara
1.7 million (2007–2014) (probably different censuses, official language in more than one country)

Quechuan languages (yes, more than one)
7.2 million

Plus, if you want to refer to the drastic lowering of American indigenous populations the century following the Conquista, most of it was due to smallpox, and that was not deliberately spread by contaminated blankets, like US Americans later did, it's just that Spaniards didn't realise it was much deadlier for the indigenous who had a weaker immune system.

To compare, the biggest language North of Rio Grande, number 24 of Indigenous languages, is Navajo with 170,000 speakers. Second biggest North of Rio Grande, number 36 overall, is Cree, 96,000.

Number 42 is the third largest, but non-English settlers, Greenlandic had Danes as colonisers. 46 overall is 4th largest North of Rio Grande, Ojibwe, also known as Chippewa. So, the 46 largest native languages of the Americas involve one in Denmark, three in Anglo countries, and 42 where Spain was the coloniser. And the single largest, Guaraní, also where Portugal was coloniser. Or became, by a border revision. If you have seen the film Mission, you will know that the transfer from Spain to the Portuguese realm of Pombal, Enlightened philosopher and PM, was bad news for Guaraní speakers back then.

2:28 Inter caetera certainly gave permission to conquer, but NOT to enslave. It concerned the division of the new discoveries.

Dum diversas certainly gave the Portuguese permission to enslave kingdoms and duchies of Africa. More precisely, to reduce to perpetual slavery. This meant giving lifetime, and pretty certainly didn't mean for the whole population, but for Muslim kings and dukes, the Pope didn't bother to use Arabic titles, and staff of their armies, judges and administrations, which had been engaged in slave trade against Christian captives, with no remorse.

Now, if someone gets lifetime in the US, he usually doesn't marry, if he does, the children don't stay with him in prison. If someone got perpetual slavery back then, he was probably allowed to keep one of the wives he had, or, if unmarried, to marry. The children also became slaves, not because of the papal sentence, but because of the principle that who's born to slave parents is a slave. Normally, among Europeans before Slavery was abolished (already the case in 1452, most countries), the children who hadn't committed crimes themselves or their children would be pretty likely to be freed, sooner or later, depending on the generosity of the master. Unfortunately, as racial differences make for less individualised perception, this didn't happen quite that much with Black Slaves of the Portuguese. But that wasn't the plan of Pope Nicholas V. He only considered that a kadi who had helped to give Christian slaves extra whippings or castration because of refusal to become Muslims had deserved to be himself a slave. Obviously, the Portuguese were not content with the slaves they could obtain this fashion, they also bought slaves from African kingdoms which they didn't think they should then and there conquer. Which Dum Diversas had not authorised.

So, the papacy basically shrugged the shoulders about Portuguese misapplication of Dum diversas, but when Spain conquered, newer bulls made sure to NOT make the same mistake with "Indians."

The Recovering Catholic
@therecoveringcatholic
So you're justifying the past?

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@hglundahl
@therecoveringcatholic Obviously yes.

Of the papacy. Not totally of Portugal, different story.


2:53 Missionary enforcement hardly resulted in all that much death. On the Catholic side, that is.

If you take the one in Mexico, the many deaths in the taking of Tenochtitlan were due to the conquering army being composed by very few Spaniards and vastly more numerous indigenous allies, who weren't Christians yet.

Disease was not the fault of Christianity. Both Christianity and disease came with Spaniards, but for Spaniards, smallpox wasn't normally deadly. It hadn't been so for the Africans meeting the Portuguese either (less sure of the Guanches).

The Recovering Catholic
The spread of Catholicism brought the disease which killed many but what I stated in this video was accurate the numbers were not about to see they were about slaughters.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@therecoveringcatholic I'm actually not into the part of the video where you are citing slaughters.

The taking of Tenochtitlán was exceptionally huge as a slaughter and mainly due to not yet Christian allies of the Spaniards.


3:26 "America was formed by people running away from Catholicism"

Where so? Latin America was formed by Catholics. Québec and the original Louisiane were formed by Catholics. Spanish and Portuguese came as Catholics. English didn't come as Catholics, but neither did they have Catholics persecuting them in the mother country.

In 1848, some immigrants came who had failed rebellions against Catholic régimes, but arguably as many if not more who had failed rebellions against Protestant régimes. A Sicilian fleeing then would flee from a Catholic régime in Sicily. But a Saxon fleeing then would flee from a Lutheran or already Evangelisch régime in Saxony (Karl May was born that year, btw). And Irish arriving such times was pretty likely a Catholic fleeing a manmade starvation enforced by Protestants.

The Mayflower were people who were not running away from Roman Catholicism, but from High Church Anglicanism, and to the Netherlands. However, they left the Netherlands, no longer running away, to be alone among themselves, to avoid assimilation to Dutch Protestants whom they considered generally too worldly.

3:55 Walking Purchase, 1737. That's when the Lenape were starting to lose ground. John and Thomas Penn were responsible, they had not fled to avoid persecution, they were the heirs of William Penn. And William Penn had been decent to the Lenape, allowing the two populations to live together, well, not same villages or blocks, but basically side by side.

Not sure how many Germans who would be fleeing from Germany persecuted. Since 1648, a man persecuted for his religion simply had to leave to a place where his religion was in power. Perhaps a few Anabaptists.

Also not sure how many Huguenots would be fleeing to that area. But they weren't fleeing from the Inquisition, but from the French King. It wasn't the Church that wanted them converted or exiled, it was a people who recalled the Wars of Religion. Precisely as even more the two weeks from St. Bartholomew's Day in 1572. Coligny was a war criminal, who had hanged peasants for defending priest and sacrament.

4:15 100,000s tortured or executed as heretics.

Well, those who were just tortured but not executed would vastly outnumber those who were executed.

If it had been executed, I just did the maths for 250,000 by 700 years = 357 per year. In actual fact, most of the time, far fewer. So, I think the total is bogus too.

4:18 "burned as witches, early Protestants"

Well, up to Salem, they were far likelier to burn real or supposed witches than Catholics were, even if the Catholics had a temporary headstart.

4:22 Gnostics, Cathars ... well, back in their day, burnings would excede 357 per day.

Take a fair look at what they were teaching and how they were practising it before you bemoan them as "innocent victims" ...

Scientists, even Galileo.

The single scientist who got in real trouble but didn't get burned was Galileo. The main target in 1616 had been the priest Foscarini, who had the sense not to insist. Bruno was burned, 1600, by the same Inquisitor who handled Foscarini and Galileo, St. Robert Bellarmine ... but Bruno was more burned for things resembling Hinduism than for "science" (which Heliocentrism isn't anyway, unless you add "falsely so called").

4:30 WHAT?

"You 4:23 know, in 1986, the Catholic Church 4:26 forgave Galileo for the world not being 4:29 flat"


You are either a liar or a nincompoop.

The one revision of Galileo I'm aware of is 1992, when Antipope Wojtyla said Galileo was right. If there had been any kind of revision in 1986, prior to that, under the same Antipope, I'm not aware of that. But the issue was never flat or round. The Catholic Church never taught the earth was flat. She did teach, and uphold against Galileo, that Geocentrism is true. Geocentrism is not synonymous to the world being flat, it's synonymous to Earth being the centre of the world. Immobile, while the visible parts of the Universe revolve around us each day.

As to "not being flat" ... the author of Inter caetera was highly well aware of it. The trial of Galileo didn't spark mass refugee crises from Italy or Spain, but it did become an added argument when Huguenots going away from France wanted to be received as refugees highly in danger ... and when descendants of the Huguenots claimed (informal) privilege in Belfast and in Berlin.

4:46 You are promoting a dishonesty as big as pretending it took the Church centuries to decide that women had souls.

The real story behind that one (heavily promoted by Freemasons and their dupes) is that on a council locally in France someone was asking "can a woman be called 'homo' " because in his way of speaking Latin, just as in many men's way of speaking English, and the gloss "man" the gloss had started to take on the meaning of "adult male" ... the answer was "yes, Jesus is "filius hominis" because He is "filius Mariae" but Mary was a woman, so, yes, a woman can be called 'homo' ".

They changed the council from local to Nicaea because, either it was the only one they knew of, or, for the deception they wanted, a local one wouldn't do, it had to be central authority or equivalent.

The Church has never taught that women don't have souls, or aren't human or that the earth is flat.

4:58 No, it was not heresy to say the world was round.

You are either lying or repeating a lie. The "deconstruction" community seems to be a very sectarian one, whichever it is.

The Recovering Catholic
bye bye

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@therecoveringcatholic Feel free to blind yourself ...


5:12 If you look up Matthew 28:16 to 20, it was pretty clear that the true Church would always be along.

That pretty much rules out any "Church" or split rich slew of "churches" that wasn't even around in 1500.

5:25 Which Inquisition?

Ah, the Spanish one. Nordisk Familjebok, a Swedish 19th C. reference work says 341 000 prosecuted and 31 000 killed.

However, more recent research seems to disagree.

García Cárcel estimates that the total number prosecuted by the Inquisition throughout its history was approximately 150,000; applying the percentages of executions that appeared in the trials of 1560–1700—about 2%—the approximate total would be about 3,000 put to death. Nevertheless, some authors consider that the toll may have been higher, keeping in mind the data provided by Dedieu and García Cárcel for the tribunals of Toledo and Valencia, respectively, and estimate between 3,000 and 5,000 were executed.[202] Other authors disagree and estimate a max death toll between 1% and 5%, (depending on the time span used) combining all the processes the inquisition carried, both religious and non-religious ones.[153][203] In either case, this is significantly lower than the number of people executed exclusively for witchcraft in other parts of Europe during about the same time span as the Spanish Inquisition (estimated at c. 40,000–60,000).[202]


202) Data for executions for witchcraft: Levack, Brian P. (199). The Witch-Hunt in Early Modern Europe (2nd ed.). London and New York: Longman. ISBN 978-0582080690. OCLC 30154582. And see Witch trials in Early Modern Europe for more detail.

But we were looking for ... According to García Cárcel, one of the most active courts—the court of Valencia—employed the death penalty in 40% of cases before 1530, but later that percentage dropped to 3%

García Cárcel (1976), p. 39, García Cárcel, Ricardo (1976). Orígenes de la Inquisición Española. El Tribunal de Valencia, 1478–1530. Barcelona.

Classed as a revisionist book, but probably correct. Now, "before 1530" doesn't mean 1234 to 1530. It means 1478 to 1530. 52 years.

1234 was the Inquisition in South France, a different story.

A council in Tours in 1164, presided over by Pope Alexander III, ordered the confiscation of a heretic's goods. Of 5,400 people interrogated in Toulouse between 1245 and 1246, 184 received penitential yellow crosses (used to mark repentant Cathars), 23 were imprisoned for life, and none were sent to the stake.


Pegg, Mark Gregory (2001). The Corruption of Angels: The Great Inquisition of 1245–1246. Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press. p. 126. ISBN 0-691-00656-3.

5:32 The Crusades death toll estimated 1 to 3 million ...

John Shertzer Hittell said "1 million" ... he lived December 25, 1825 – March 8, 1901.
Fredric Wertham said "1 million" and was a shrink. Probably just repeated John Shertzer Hittell. Unless the Fredric Wertham who did that estimate was a different person altogether. If so, I can't find him, I just found the shrink who claimed comic books damaged people.
Charles Mackay said "2 millions" ... Europeans. In other words, killed by Muslims. Scottish poet, 27 March 1814 – 24 December 1889.
Matthew White "3 millions" He was a librarian and wrote The Great Big Book of Horrible Things.

Now, where did I get these names?

Death Estimates for the Crusades, a blogpost by Andrew Holt, Ph.D. – History, Religion, and Foreign Affairs. He gave a caveat though:

Provided below are various death estimates for the crusades to the east roughly covering the period from 1095 to 1291. The extreme range of figures, from one million to nine million, suggests the futility of trying to pin down such a figure with any precision. Modern historians of the crusades tend not to make or trust such estimates, as they are skeptical of the ability of anyone to count the deaths of participants over such long periods of time (nearly 200 years) with any precision and weary of the methodological problems this entails.[1] Nevertheless, such figures are often cited by the media or online and these are likely their sources (presented from lowest to highest).


5:49 The "doctrine of discovery" is a hugely different thing in 19th C US and in Inter caetera.

In inter caetera the only things that could be seized were pagan lands refusing the arrival of missionaries.

And it didn't allow for seizing private property, just the state functions.

6:10 "they starved them out"

Who, whom, when?

It's not a description of the constant practise of colonial Spain or Portugal.

6:33 Whatever George W. Bush believed, about God speaking to him, he was no Catholic.

He attended Yale University from 1964 to 1968, graduating with a Bachelor of Arts degree in history. During this time, he was a cheerleader and a member of the Delta Kappa Epsilon, serving as the president of the fraternity during his senior year. Bush became a member of the Skull and Bones society as a senior.


He is listed as Methodist and Episcopalian. And as Converts to Methodism from Anglicanism.

[Tried to add]

6:48 "over a million deaths" ... unlike the one of the Crusades, actually a death toll of opponents to the Western side.


8:37 Kicking people off their lands ... Prussians replacing Poles, Cromwell shouting "to Hell of Connaught" and Andrew Jackson doing to Indians (I think Cherokee) what Zionists with less success have tried to do to Palestinians ... I hear you. None of the examples is Catholic, though.

10:43 No, He did not say to go back before there was religion.

He said He was the One Who Is.

11:00 Jesus did not in His mortal life meet Paul. True.

Those who were His disciples however did accept Paul had seen Him for real. And them ... yes, He did leave them in command.

And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven [Matthew 16:19]

That's making Peter second in command. What did Peter say about Paul?

And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation; as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction [2 Peter 3:15-16]

[Going back a little]


7:09 100 to 150 million deaths ... over 1000 years.

Communism, 90 million deaths, not counting Maoism, over the time 1917 to 1990.

But unlike Communism, I don't think that total is true for Christianity.

[On again.]


11:30 It doesn't occur to you that accusationism and counting Protestant atrocities along with Catholic ones as "of Christianity" creates more division and hate.

Did you get your total from "The Great Big Book of Horrible Things"?

12:14 Oh ... you "help people every day who have been traumatised by Christianity" ...

A psychiatric or psychotherapeutic fraud, in other words. Perhaps not too unrelated to the ones who have been pestering me basically half of my online time (varies and for the total may be exaggerated) plus telling people around me I'm deconstructing, when I'm definitely not, in order to lessen interest for my Christian writings, because, if I were deconstructing, I would sooner or later regret those words.

Nope. Not regretting them. And it's c. 20 years people of this brand have made this, that or the other excuse for basically blocking me from readers other than themselves and so from an income.

* Retranslating from an unfortunately automatically translated title, which in French reads: Le christianisme est la religion la plus meurtrière de l'histoire (voici les statistiques !) Well, no, as I've shown.