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Thursday, November 27, 2025
Christine Niles on (against) the claims of "Fake Sister Lucy"
New blog on the kid: Sharing About Sr. Lucy of Fatima · Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Christine Niles on (against) the claims of "Fake Sister Lucy"
'Fake' Sister Lucy Revisited | FORWARD BOLDLY
Christine Niles | 26.XI.2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ7KAIK_CGs
I take it, your position is, Elderly Sister Lucy's angles look different because she has lost teeth?
[This is much of the content of the second half, which I have not commented on item by item.]
4:31 Dead things can swim with the stream, only living creatures can swim against it!
4:41 I don't like confrontation over people, but I love confrontation about ideas.
Yesterday, someone citing CSL considered that in the Medieval Worldview, the Primum Mobile (I think that might have been the Materia Prima) moved out of love for God.
Nope. That's one Medieval worldview, but not the Catholic one, in the Catholic one, God actively moves the Primum Mobile (God moving the Universe around us each day) and actively endows the Materia Prima with form and therefore substantiality (back at Creation or at any subsequent creation event).
At least that was the view at the university of Paris, it is possible what I spoke against may have been better regarded in the School of St. Victor, for the authors of which CSL had a great fondness.
6:37 The family could, if the theory were true, have acted under pressure (even going along so as to save her life). The community and top clergy in the province could back then have been motivated by extreme obedience and also a sense of discretion, like in 1950 the Franciscans in a part of the Netherlands, they had abused a pupil and made sure he came to first mental hospital for homosexuality and then castrated. In the Netherlands, a "community first" sentiment came from living in a Calvinist majority country. In Spain and Portugal, the Church had in living memory been persecuted.
Between 1926 and 1946, she was in Spain, in Pontevedra, which is, unlike the Carmel of Coimbra, about as far North of Fatima as the South tip of Portugal is South of Fatima. So, those years, I don't think she received all that many visits. Also, as she was at this point a Dorothean, she was busy teaching.
7:09 Conclavists also believe that "Paul VI" and "John Paul II" were no valid Popes.
But we do believe there is a valid one today, Michael II, and has been most of the time from 1990, emergency election of Michael I.
So, I came across this via the Dimond Brothers, who, yes, have promoted the thesis of
8:57 I just saw that "John Paul II" consecrated Russia and Ukraine, while the Fatima request mentioned only Russia.
Now, the Kiev Rus' to which Ukraine is heir and Muscovite Russia doubtfully heir was already consecrated to Mary, much like France by (I think) Lewis XIII.
My reading of Fatima consecration request is, a) allowing Russia to catch up with Ukraine, and b) Pope stepping in for the lacking goodwill of the sovereigns, these being most of the time concerned, including 1984, Commies, at least the de facto sovereigns.
Have you heard of the apparitions of Hrushiv (in Russian that would be Grushov)?
11:36 In Romania, the couple Ceaucescu were actually executed in a less than fully court procedures manner. I don't claim Lewis XVI and Maria Antonia, best known as Marie Antoinette, got a fair hearing, but they had more court procedure. I also don't claim the Ceaucescu couple was innocent (except they had done one good thing: banned abortion), and they didn't deserve it, but their overthrow was not fully peaceful.
Now, the promise related to the effective consecration was not just peace, but also conversion of Russia.
Today, Russia has more abortions than Ukraine, I think is the fifth leading country in Europe as continent and all top five are either Romania or former Soviet Republics (none of them Ukraine). Abortion was introduced into Romania after the Ceaucescu couple was executed.
Meanwhile Russia has obliterated the Ukrainian and Tatar communities in Crimea and the parts of Donbass they already control. Putin promotes plutocratic oligarchy and it's spreading. Putin says abortion should be fought by persuasion, not bans. Putin's best admirers tend to promote "Christianity and Evolution are not in conflict" which is an error (also spread by Wojtyla in the 1992 CCC), and "taking the Apocalypse as foresight of events is Zionism" (which is certainly not true in my case, since I take it the Knesset today is both Sodom and Egypt, considering the Pride Parades and what is done to Gaza, so, I think Apocalypse 11 is soon upcoming, with Henoch and Elias witnessing against Zionism). Putin is perfectly capable of having goodwill with total incompetence as to apprehension of facts. You recall that clip when he laughed at the idea of pork exports to Indonesia, unaware that Indonesia has Christian and Hindu minorities and that tourism also involves people who eat pork? He also promotes the idea that denying the gas chambers killed so and so many of this or that community is an agression against it.
12:38 Yugoslavia also disbanded.
This pretty quickly led to the Balkan wars. A repeat move of Assisi 1986 was done by Wojtyla in 1995 or 1994 ... and the massacre of Srebrenica followed. Former Yugoslavia, to this day, is not a peaceful area.
However, not only did Wojtyla meet Gorbatchev, he also knew exactly what Polish priest in the Vatican was a KGB agent.
If the Fall of the Wall and the disbanding of the Soviet Union were not miracles, they could have been negotiated sham victories, with Wojtyla hollowing them. Meeting a Rabbi and then the Assisi meeting before the fall of the wall were shows of "Catholicism is not exclusivist or antisemite" (in the sense that word has been applied to Catholicism) ... betraying Mgr Lefebvre, betraying converts in Sweden, betraying Fr. Mawdsley. In 1992, and around, CCC and "Interpretation of the Bible in the Church" were a payment afterwards, with the message "we don't allow people to oppose the theory of Evolution" (I had missed it, or overlooked it, since I was a Ecclesia Dei to FSSPX type trad at the time, only found out in 2001) and in the same weeks as they were praying for peace in the Balkans with Orthodox and Muslims and maybe more, there was some kind of reconciliation with psychiatry, thereby betraying any Catholic persecuted by it. This is my conspiracy theory about the apparent miracle.
12:52 Conversion of Russia, Russia is not yet converted from that Schism.
The Ukrainian Uniate Church is not legally recognised in Russia, and religious activity other than by recognised churches is an offense in Russia. As Fr. Charron mentioned, if he tried to celebrate Mass anywhere in Russia, he would go to prison. The FSSPX has a presence in the St. Petersburg region.
It has also started to pay Russia by cracking down on Creationist polemics.
Up to 1988, Revd Bryan Houghton was very good friends with Mgr Lefebvre, though in that year, like Dom Gérard, he chose Ecclesia Dei. Now this obviously means, Lefebvre saw nothing wrong in Bryan Houghton openly arguing against the Theory of Evolution (which he traces to Buddhism). At present, Father Robinson FSSPX is campaigning against Young Earth Creationism under the pretense it is some kind of bad fruit of the "bad tree" of Sola Scriptura, whereas in reality, Young Earth Creationism is the historic view of Catholics. In 1860 or so, when US Baptists split over the issue while also splitting over slavery, Catholics were in the vast majority Young Earth Creationists. But Father Robinson takes the decision of 1909 as a magisterial ban on Young Earth Creationism, which it obviously isn't.
13:14 So the supposed Sister Lucy saw those changes but didn't see the other side?
13:59 Yes, to him as to Kant (mentioned by Robert Barron), the Christian faith is something you practise ... it is not something you hold and defend as notionally true.
He's about as Orthodox as Dag Hammarsköld was Lutheran. I e, not at all insofar as the Confessions are supposed to be Christian heterodoxies rather than rituals masking apostasy.
14:27 Putin's own party, however, promotes the selected Communist tenets that Putin and Kirill still hold to.
Like "abortion must be fought with persuasion, not actual legal bans" or "Evolution is true, a Christian isn't supposed to oppose 'Science' " ...
Both of which are clearly Communist rather than Christian views, on key issues.
To illustrate my point:
ORTHODOX MISCELLANY- History, Ecclesiology, Spirituality, and the Struggle Against Ecumenism : Black Cloud Over Moscow (2006)
Fr. Nicholas Chernjavsky | November 27, 2006
https://orthodoxmiscellany.blogspot.com/2025/11/black-cloud-over-moscow-2006.html
The Moscow Patriarchate again finds itself with a government that does not tolerate dissent. Ever since Vladimir Putin’s election as president of Russia, nostalgia for the Soviet past has increased just as personal freedoms have been eroded. This is not a man who would let a powerful organization like the Moscow Patriarchate do as it pleases, and he has found willing accomplices in the top hierarchs who continue to trumpet Sergianism as heroic. In today’s Russia, critics of the Kremlin are dealt with swiftly and ruthlessly, but this has not affected the Patriarchate, as there seems to be not a peep of criticism coming from those quarters. It is also a curious thing that it was Putin who initiated the process to bring the Russian Church Abroad under Moscow ’s influence.
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Wednesday, November 26, 2025
On Islam
“Muhammad Left Nine Wives CHILDLESS” - Christian Apologist QUESTIONS Islam's ‘Mercy’ Promises
Valuetainment | 13 Nov. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL-ugjSPPNQ
Other perspective:
We Now Know Why They Chose Mecca -- Dr Jay Smith Exclaims!
EVENTS -&- HISTORY | 22 Nov. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9uZ4zqaWVg
16:42 It cannot literally be dated to "AD 697" if the AD was only in common use from after the millennium shift.
You mean it is dated to 77 or 78 Anno Hegirae, right? (Masjid al Haram*).
18:48 In 708? In 89 or 90 Hegirae, you mean?**
* The one in Mecca. They hypothesise there was an earlier one. ** I'm not a wizard about Islamic calendar, but it is simple to look it up on wikipedia for any year. Loss of the ZamZam well.
CSL, Medieval Thought, Stars and Planets
Narnia and the Christmas Star | Narnia Lore Explained
Into the Wardrobe | 26 Nov. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cnBLJkbxzI
2:47 Apart from a Bishop of Paris defining in 1277 that stars aren't actually alive or to angels like flesh is to our soul, how do you know, they are not alive in our world?
Or were you using "cosmology" in the sense of "current model of"?
3:08 How do you know light years even exist, in our world?
Apart from blind trust in experts and "current model of cosmology" that is ...
6:01 Plato and early Medieval Macrobius (who may have been a Pagan) considered stars were alive.
What we see is to a kind of sentient being, like what flesh and skin are to our souls.
Aristotle and Scholasticism (Thomas and Stephen Tempier were not Pagans) considered stars were moved by angels.
What we see is to an angel, like a bike is to a cyclist.
8:40 While the primum mobile (I think St. Thomas considers this as sphere of fix stars not above it) receives its (daily) movement from God in a non-mechanic way, as a direct result of God's will (like a planet moving through its sphere receives that (larger periodic) movement from the angel, like the Sun moving full circle eastward in relation to primum mobile in one year), the transfer down, as I read Aristotle and Thomas, was mechanic.
I think this point, invisible crystalline spheres that touch each other and transfer the daily movement down, since then disproven by Tycho Brahe, may have been the one item where St. Thomas on that famous occasion felt all his works were like straw. He presumably felt he had strawmanned St. Paul's proof of God from Geocentrism (Romans 1) in his own version of Prima Via.
8:45 The idea that the Primum Mobile was compelled by the love of God is actually a position which would probably fall under condemnations in 1277, the Averroistic slant to Aristotle (inherent in the Philisopher himself, though Thomas preferred glossing over that).
That's the kind of position held by people like Boethius of Dacia and Siger of Brabant. Now, to be fair, Dante doesn't judge their heterodoxy the way Tempier did.
No, in St. Thomas, the Primum Mobile is moved by a direct act of God ... just as in St. Paul. That's why Geocentrism and the succession of days proves God's power inexhaustible.
9:00 Would you mind giving me the reference in St. Thomas?
I know Latin and can look it up in Opera Omnia. If CSL stated Thomas held this, he may have misread a Quaestio form and mistaken an objection (videtur quod) for what Thomas really held (respondeo esse dicendum). Obviously, it's ages since I read The Discarded Image, so, I'm not trying to correct you on CSL.
[To the poem, I object not]
I Don't Think It Breaks My Claim
8 Quintillion Mutations: The Math That Breaks Creationist Claims
Dr. Joel Duff | 22 Nov. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO6ObhGnJVk
1:07 Can you document 1 quadrillion mutations happened*, or is that what you conclude from supposing we developed from one-cellulars?
I can mention one post on Quora c. 10 years ago, or more, where someone used blind cichlids to prove evolution.
I looked it up thoroughly.
The retina depends, for correct development, on 10 genes. Two of these are mutated and the retina never develops, and this doesn't matter, since they live in the dark. When related species are cross-bred with them, that do not have the mutations, even one item of the correct version sufficed to make offspring with correct sight, correct retinas.
Now, each gene presumably had hundreds of loci, of triplets, and this poses the question: how many useless genes must an organism carry, until mutations make them useful?
4:01 By the way, thank you for mentioning 2 000 000 000 infections!
63.5 mill, 69.7 mill, 62.3 mill, 61.7 mill, 62.4 mill
319.6 mill died 2020 through 2024, all causes ... how many of those are Covid?
There have been reported 7,101,788 (updated 15 October 2025) confirmed COVID-induced deaths worldwide.
Read that methodology is inverse between Covid infection and Covid vaccines. If an 80 year old diabetic has Covid when he dies, it's a Covid death. If an 80 year old diabetic got vaccinated and died, he died because 80 with diabetes. But let's say the numbers are something, not totally off.
7 101 788 / 319 600 000 = 2.222 % of deaths (or less, since the 7 101 788 is up to 15 Oct. 2025, the 319 600 000 only up to 31 Dec. 2024)
7 101 788 / 2 000 000 000 = 0.355 % die
Seems ... some over hysteria?
10:54 Hidden assumption: you change an actual parallellism of mutations into a serialism of them. No strand has 8 quintillion mutations. Given each infection is a new strand and several ones within it, I'll go back and see what your numbers were again ...
2 billion * 100 billion, let's assume that's like a triangular number in relation to the strands ... not sure if it's the best modelling, but here goes:
A simplified method for triangular roots = sqrt(2x), so 20 000 000 000
8 000 000 000 000 000 000 / 20 000 000 000 = 400 000 000 ... 400 million mutations per strand.
23:22 There is some lopsidedness to the (I suppose) implied parallel.
A virus is outsourcing all of its functioning, with very few exceptions, to host cells. That's why you can't cultivate them on petri dishes, unlike pathegens like bacteria or amoebae, and that's why vaccines involve artificially providing viruses with host cells (in the case of this virus, the host cell of choice has been a cell strand from an aborted boy in the 70's).
In that sense, a virus can afford lots more of "loss of function" because the losses hit what anyway isn't essential to it functioning.
30:39* I don't think that there is a model for mutations adding up to ten genes that are all needed for forming a retina.
- Trevor McKenna-Williams
- @MrDeadhead1952
- Guess no one at AIG drinks milk then.
- Jake Ramgren
- @JakeRamgren
- I understood this comment. 🔥🔥
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @hglundahl
- The mutation is in a way beneficial for the organism, but it still deletes information rather than produce it.
Going from A) info to turn on lactase production around birth and B) info to turn it off some years later to only A) isn't exactly like creating the info for lactase production and doesn't explain it.
- Trevor McKenna-Williams
- @hglundahl Actually I suggest you do some research before you post nonsense. No information has been deleted as the the allele that turns off production still exists and works but as the allele that turns it off is dominant Lactase is still produced.Lactase persistence is the result of at least six mutations (single-nucleotide polymorphisms – SNPs) have been associated with lactase expression.[25] They are all located in a region of the gene MCM6 upstream of LCT. This region is considered as an enhancer region for the transcription of LCT. This is a clear example of information not being lost. And this trait isn't sort of a benefit, it's a clear benefit as it allows an additional food source to be utilised for an entire life.
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @MrDeadhead1952 "the allele that turns off production still exists and works"
Oh? That is news to me. Well, enhancers would be another way for lactase production to get past that gene ... but they enhance, they still don't create new information.
Thank you for the info.
@MrDeadhead1952 By the way, on Trevor McKenna-Williams, a search, I don't find a scientist, but a resigned secretary and a business analyst ... are you sure you are also a good amateur at science?
* This is where he featured another video, which seemed to be about mutations adding up in us.
** In response to these words:
There's like one individual that has a has like just the right combination of 30:27 new changes that then go on to spread and then they have more mutations that find a few new 30:34 additions that are reach the sort of the magic threshold of making that virus 30:39 better for its current environment. Uh and so over time they add up sort of the the common mutations that they share 30:46 that are all functional mutations
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Monday, November 17, 2025
Calvin Smith Paid me a Compliment
This CORROSIVE Lie Is Spreading FAST Among Christians
Answers in Genesis Canada | 17 Oct. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBXP3N3IvuM
Given I've managed to avoid the tactical and worse errors of Stanley, since my teens, I take this video as a kind of compliment.
Next to God, you have lauded those believing His word, of which I am one.
6:00 You have misscited a verse of Hebrews perhaps in order to pretend the Bible "is the only source of true knowledge" ...
Here is the actual verse:
But without faith it is impossible to please God. For he that cometh to God, must believe that he is, and is a rewarder to them that seek him
Natural revelation can very well teach us the first part "that God is" ... a Hegelian who believes that God is, isn't wrong about what God is, he's just (as CSL once was) wrong about WHO God is.
That natural theology can teach us WHAT God is and that God isn't Hercules (whose powers were exhausted reputedly in the fight against Geryon and certainly at other times, like when he died and didn't rise again) is taught by St. Paul in Romans 1. He specifically mentions "inexhastible power" ... incidentally, this proves Hercules was an actual creature of God, and not a figment of human imagination. Why is St. Paul specifically referring to Hercules? Well, he mentions the punishment for idolatry, and in the Greco-Roman world, homosexuality, specifically male such, was especially associated with precisely Hercules.
So, before we get to FAITH, which goes beyond the evidence we can rationally analyse on our own, we must add of God, not just that He exists, but also that He is a rewarder of those that seek Him.
So, Biblically, Natural Theology, even apart from the Bible, actually does give true knowledge.
8:07 That guy started out copying a certain 16th to 17th C. erudite. Let's quote him:
Can an opinion be heretical and yet have no concern with the salvation of souls? Can the Holy Ghost be asserted not to have intended teaching us something that does concern our salvation? I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree: "That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven. not how heaven goes."*
The Catholic Inquisition held that a doctrine could be heretical if it contradicted the Bible, even on a topic not directly related to the process of our salvation, neither to what God did on the Cross, nor to what we need to do on our part. The Catholic Inquisition held that the Bible, all of it was useful for the salvation of souls.
In 1633, Galileo was lucky (or his former pretty close friend Pope Urban VIII had favoured him) that he was not asked about this view, only about one where he had applied it (and where he contradicts the most probable reading of Romans 1).
10:22 Jesus is where all our beliefs and doctrines come from.
Through NT books, certainly. But also through Apostolic tradition.
If you undermine the Bible or Apostolic tradition, you undermine the Christian faith.
For instance, we know there is a Christological exegesis of all of the OT (which doesn't take away from its literal historic truth, just shows why it is important), which Jesus gave, arguably on more occasions than once, but one particular time is in Luke 24:27. Some very few and highly important details of it are indeed in the NT texts, like St. John mentioning Jesus fulfills the law about the Paschal Lamb (because He is the lamb of God), John 19:36. But most of it, including cross-references between Luke 1, Genesis 3:15, Judges 5, book of Judith, are available through Tradition.
And because the allegoric meaning of the OT is directly related to Christ, so, the literal meaning of it, is indirectly but still actually related to Christ.
12:56 Stanley, on that clip, contradicted the Councils of Trent and the Vatican (1545 to 1563 and 1869 to 1870).
We hold to 73 books, with all of their content, and with the meaning that the Church hath held and now holdeth.
Geocentrism being part of that (Joshua 10 and parallels being part of the prooftexting).
* Modern History Sourcebook: Galileo Galilei: Letter to the Grand Duchess Christina of Tuscany, 1615
https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/galileo-tuscany.asp
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