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This answer, I couldn't revert the deletion:

When did the connection between the Vlach-Romanian languages and the already essentially formed Italian language cease? When Bulgaria captured the Vlach-Romanian Urheimat in 842? (South Albania, Northern Macedonia today)?
https://www.quora.com/When-did-the-connection-between-the-Vlach-Romanian-languages-and-the-already-essentially-formed-Italian-language-cease-When-Bulgaria-captured-the-Vlach-Romanian-Urheimat-in-842-South-Albania-Northern-Macedonia-today

Here is the answer edit I could not republish:

In 842, there was no extant Italian language.

Italian dialects were not yet regional languages, as later, but also they were not distinct languages from Latin (unlike French which was becoming so through the reform of Ecclesiastic Latin from Tours). They were what Latin in Italy sounded like, and Latin was how they were being spelled.

I would say that the connexion was already broken or at least thinned before the Bulgarians, from the fact that South Albania / North Macedonia were in the Greek half of the Empire.

I have now responded according to you idea that South Albania / North Macedonia is the area where Romanian was being formed. This is I think an idea gaining traction in scholarship these days. On the older theory, namely that it was forming in Dacia, essentially present-day Romania, it was broken more completely even earlier than that, and in either case it is at the very least possible that Romanian had, which Italian hadn’t, ceased to have Latin as the written standard.

Given that between them there was still Dalmatian, this would influence the question.

If Romanian originated in the area you name, it was not far from areas where they spoke Dalmatian. So, Dalmatian could have served as an inbetween.

Here is an answer that remained:

When did the connection between the Vlach-Romanian languages and the already essentially formed Italian language cease? When Bulgaria captured the Vlach-Romanian Urheimat in 842? (South Albania, Northern Macedonia today)?
https://www.quora.com/When-did-the-connection-between-the-Vlach-Romanian-languages-and-the-already-essentially-formed-Italian-language-cease-When-Bulgaria-captured-the-Vlach-Romanian-Urheimat-in-842-South-Albania-Northern-Macedonia-today/answer/Dan-Miclea

Answer requested by

Tamás Benesóczky

Dan Miclea

Researcher at NGO Intellectual Property (1992–present)

Thu 21.XI.2024

Question of an ultranationalist Hungarian.

As an extremist he tries to make confusion in the history of the Balkans,

He acts like a Russian troll.

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Constantine Cristin

Thu 21.XI.2024

It was a continuous Romance languages link.

The extinct Dalmatian language was the link between Romanian and Italic languages

So many similarities.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Sat 23.XI.2024

The idea of Romanian originating in South Albania and North Macedonia actually supports the Dalmatian connection somewhat better.

Dubrovnik would certainly have been a historic centre of Dalmatian, and Dubrovnik Tirana is less than 400 km, Dubrovnik Skopje less than 500 km (on a road that bends), but Dubrovnik Bucharest is 961 km.

Above comment

by me, for some reason, was deleted.

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Sat 23.XI.2024

Hans-Georg Lundahl

I think the question is such need not make him ultranationalist in Hungarian politics, and even less a Russian troll.

Dan Miclea

This troll attacked several times the Romanians.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

I don’t think the idea of the first speakers of Romanian getting to Dacia from a place closer to Dubrovnik (which the Tirana~Skopje region is) constitutes an attack on Romanians.

Dan Miclea deleted my response, and added the question "So, are you Russophile troll?" to his comment.

I replied (Lord's Day) by linking here, where the title answers the question adequately.

Other question, still standing:

How many words of Italian origin are there in the Vlach-Rumanian languages that are from the VII-IXth century was it introduced into the Vlach-Rumanian language?
https://www.quora.com/How-many-words-of-Italian-origin-are-there-in-the-Vlach-Rumanian-languages-that-are-from-the-VII-IXth-century-was-it-introduced-into-the-Vlach-Rumanian-language/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2

Answer requested by

Tamás Benesóczky

Hans-Georg Lundahl

amateur linguist

Fri 22.XI.2024

I’m sorry, but how do you identify your Romanian words of direct Latin to Romanian descent from those of Italian (borrowed into Romanian) origin?

Or from those borrowed from Dalmatian into either?

I am not a specialist of Romanian philology, never claimed to be one. I have more than once featured Romanian as involved in areal features of the Balkans. But it is fairly common knowledge, not in any way, shape or form reserved to specialists, that Romanian:

• has nouns with definite articles at the end (like Bulgarian and Albanian)
• conflates Dative and Genitive (like Modern Greek, perhaps also pronouns in Bulgarian), as far as the declinsion goes.

It is also well known that it’s ancestor language Classic Latin only conflated Dative and Genitive in First and Fifth declinsions, and Greek didn’t do it at all, except contracted nouns, and that neither Slavic languages outside Bulgarian-Macedonian, nor Romance languages outside Vlach-Romanian attach definite articles at the end of nouns.