Great Aging and Great Robotisation is Worse Then Great Replacement

(Un)Welcome: Sweden's rise of the right | CBS Reports
CBS News, 2 Dec. 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ_LH8A1yX4

Dialogue:

Hans-Georg Lundahl

4:21 A strong welfare state - exactly what Sweden had 100 years ago, and broke down 20 years ago, through low fertility rates.

G

With the rise of robotics and AI low fertility rates are irrelevant to sustaining any first world country. The ones pushing for a constant influx of immigration in first world countries with declining birthrates are the billionaires who depend on a constant supply of ever cheapening labor incapable of unionizing or working with the citizens of their host country. If these countries start deporting and close their borders, crime will drop, housing prices will be forced to fall, wages will be forced to rise, society will flourish, and the birthrate along with it. It will take time, and it'll only work in countries like Sweden with high equality between Men and Women (not just on paper, but in attitudes as well) and with good social programs (aka, it will not work in South Korea, Hungary, etc)

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@G "With the rise of robotics and AI low fertility rates are irrelevant to sustaining any first world country."

You propose old people shall be tended by emotive robots? Like in Japan?

You count on young people sacrificing more and more of their wages for old people?

I don't think that is an option.

G

@Hans-Georg Lundahl The rise of robots will not require more wages, the cost will be a one-time cost in the beginning and then small maintenance upkeep. The money from this will be looped into the everyday people who work maintaining and creating them, and return to the economy from there, same as any other job.

For the elderly- robots can tend to most everyday care and provide alexa/siri like assistance coupled with AI capabilities. Additionally, the human interaction of their existing social networks, each other, emotional support animals like a dog or a cat (which the robot can also feed and care for), plus the person to check that everything's working, young people volunteering, visits from schools, etc. Basically, it won't be depressing.

By the time we get to this point the technology for such robots will be much more advanced- whatever you are imagining is nowhere near as good, and we already have the technology to make this work right now.

Remember this is not a permanent problem- once we get past the need for a certain amount of population as older generations unfortunately pass there will be a more regular ratio between the young and the elderly.

The majority of farming, construction, and other blue collar jobs, as well as white collar jobs like accounting will disappear between robots and AI, so encouraging more and more immigration when at least half of all current jobs will no longer exist in the near future is a reckless recipe for disaster.

The upside to our imminent robot takeover- quality of life will improve and things, like property, will be more affordable. The only problem is managing the gradual change to prevent massive job loss before the population drops. The government will need to legally prevent companies from not abruptly removing entire lines of work, etc.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@G "The rise of robots will not require more wages,"

Precisely.

This means, there will be fewer wages and the old age pensions will be a higher part of the wages that there are.

The rise of robots will also put lots of people out of work. This means the wages that there are will also be more taxed for the upkeep of the out-of-work.

More and more people will lack support, need support from the state, and one will continue to try to find out what so and so did wrong to be in that position.

"For the elderly- robots can tend to most everyday care and provide alexa/siri like assistance coupled with AI capabilities"

But you are a monster.

An old person is pouring her heart out, perhaps confiding a life time's secret resource, to what looks like a person to them ... and are cheated out of the occasion by that "person" being a robot.

It's more honest to have them depress over being lonely than that.

"Remember this is not a permanent problem- once we get past the need for a certain amount of population as older generations unfortunately pass there will be a more regular ratio between the young and the elderly."

Not as long as abortions and contraception are a thing.

"The majority of farming, construction, and other blue collar jobs, as well as white collar jobs like accounting will disappear between robots and AI,"

What about forbidding rationalisations?

What you are outlining is not a desirable progress, but a very indesirable one. Before we oppose an immigrant over wanting to escape, for instance, disaster struck Turkey, how about discouraging the next boss from making the next replacement of workers by robots?