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Friday, May 24, 2024
A Patristic Point About Protestantism
Let's say the Church Fathers taught Sola Scriptura... (Jeff Durbin, Gavin Ortlund, Redeemed Zoomer)
Since Thirty Three, 21.V.2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfNxPRuVVnM
Excellent point.
I would insert a caveat about most Protestants rejecting Baptismal Regeneration.
Lutherans and Anglicans / Episcopalians / Methodists / Moravians actually do believe Baptismal Regeneration, and they do not believe OSAS applies to the individual believer (I think nearly all OSAS texts are adressed to the Church as a group, not to each individual in it "you have eternal life" = "youse in communion with us have eternal life").
While Calvinists do hold OSAS on individual believers, they also hold, if Presbyterian Regeneration at Baptism if the person is elect. Not sure if these together outnumber Baptists world wide, but in Europe, I think they do.
5:50 William of Occam knew people who were considering Sola Scriptura as the ultimate rule of faith, while he himself considered "logical conclusions, apostolic tradition, chronicles of the church, approved private revelations" are also to be held by all faithful.
So, supposing he had been alive today and not changed his opinion, supposing he arrived in a time machine and didn't have time to read Trent Session IV and Vatican council 1870, which really decided, he would have said that we were obliged to believe all in St. Bridget and in the prophecy of Fatima.
Note, he did not enumerate "magisterium" since he considered the magisterium as only ministerial to the ultimate rule of faith. I think that was also believed by such Catholics as he knew who believed Sola Scriptura in the sense these CCFF did.
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