So, Hitler was a Communist in early 1919
TIKhistory | 28 March 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpuGRO72GbA
Two remarks of mine, and the second sparked contradiction.
23:15 Insane?
Between the Paris Commune and the moment we are talking about, it wasn't.
A Franciscan Catechism (of an Apologetic and anti-Socialist type, not a full Catholic doctrinal one) from the Third Reich put this couple of Q and A into it:
Frage
Warum hat die Paris-Commune [so viel geplündert und zerstört] aber die Villas der Rothschild geschont?
Q
Why did the Paris Commune [pillage and destroy so much] but spare the Villas of the Rothschilds?
Antwort
Weil der Sozialismus eine Judenschutztruppe ist.
A
Because Socialism is a Jew Protection Corps.
It turns out, the Rothschilds were in fact treating sick people from the Commune for free in their hospitals, so it was a question of gratitude. Meanwhile, their anticlericalism was inspired by an English international workers' association, Association internationale des travailleurs, which had Karl Marx among its inspirers.
Some Jews might have an international will to at least eliminate Christianity.
Unfortunately, the closing of Catholic institutions and the hostage taking and killing of Archbishop Darboy gave the impression that the Communards were involved in such an anticlerical project.
Which would tend to foster the misunderstanding, if such. So, back then, the idea was not insane.
27:24 I would define Fascism as less Socialist than moderate Syndicalist.
Not totally unlike the Social Democrats of Sweden in the Palme era.
Except, Mussolini had abortion punished as a crime. Sweden allowed abortion since 1974, on demand, up to week 18 according to wikipedia. What I recall hearing is somewhat different, like up to week 12, and then special reasons from weeks 12 to 18. I obviously prefer Codice Rocco. 1 to 4 years for unassisted abortion. 2 to 5 years (aborting mother and med personnel) for medically assisted abortion. 6 to 12 years for forcing someone else to abort, and girls under 14 as well as mentally handicapped legally assumed as non-consenting. No exceptions (at least prior to 1938) for eugenic reasons.
Meanwhile, Corporatismo and Saltsjöbadsandan never ruined either merchants or workers.
- Vesta _The_Lesser
- @Vesta_the_Lesser
- "I would define Fascism as less Socialist than moderate Syndicalist."
PLEASE tell me you're joking or trolling.
"Corporatismo and Saltsjöbadsandan never ruined either merchants or workers."
What does that mean??? Are you going by the wikipedia definition of corporatism??? Because in the US, "corporatism" generally means the government is controlled by the largest/wealthiest private businesses (which is true).
You give so much detail about abortion rights...yet your concern for the details goes out the window so you can pretend nazism is socialism and also communism...
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- @hglundahl
- @Vesta_the_Lesser US and Italy are not using the word the same way.
First of all, the word "corporations" and "corporazioni" are two different things.
Second, "big business controlling government" is not what Italy was trying to do or Sweden was trying to do.
In Italy, there was a chamber of corporations that was a bit like a senate. The vote to that chamber at least ideally should come in most lines of business from small business. It is possible that the car business representative was indeed controlled by Fiat, but the farm business representative was or representatives were not controlled by Monsanto.
Third, Corporatismo and Saltsjöbadsandan share one moral requisite: employers and employees are not supposed to be at each other's throat. In Italy, a chamber serving as a Senate helped continuous negotiations, in Sweden, whenever "collective contracts" needed readjustment, the Government would invite the major parties, the LO (Landsorganisationen, employees in blue collar works) and SAF (Svenska Arbetsgivare-Förening) to talks in a very beautiful and rich suburb of Stockholm, Saltsjöbaden. For PTK and TCO and SR, functionaries, and I was SR, when working at the police archive, negotiations tend to function differently, they are white collar workers.
Anyway, Mussolini and Olof Palme had in common:- owners should continue to own
- their employees should be decently paid, and the security at work should not be too low, nor the working hours too high.
The first point distinguish them from Communism, the second from Laissez-Faire Capitalism, neither was like 19th C. Manchester any more than the Soviet Union.
"You give so much detail about abortion rights"
Well, the thing is, Mussolini had one big moral advantage over Palme. He punished abortion as the crime it is, rather than refunding it over social security.
What exact detail am I supposed to have actually missed?
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