Sunday, February 1, 2015

... on Cain's Wife

Priest Cant Anwser how all Humans came from Adam and Eve
Free Thinker's United [warning, an Anti-God channel!]

Embarrassing that a Catholic priest does not know the answer given in Haydock.

Cain (like Seth) married a sister, since the law against was not applicable to that generation, since if it had been, there would have been not future generations after it, so God dispensed from it.

Where did Cain find his wife?


6:25 [when enumerating reasons why incest is wrong they also said:] "someone's much older than the other person"

If the younger female party is old enough to be married, that is no moral problem, outside incest. That = if it involves marriage, that is.

If the younger party is male, that looks, due to women getting infertile sooner, like an attempt to curtail fertility and is possibly wrong due to that.

So, per se that does NOT constitute an abusive relation NOR is it part of what is wrong with incest.

In the case of incest between different generations, there is not just an older person, but a figure of authority who is abusing that authority to get a relation which would still be wrong even if he was not wielding that authority in the first place.

In some cultures someone who is much older than you is automatically a figure of authority. In others it is older family members and that is it. So there would be no abuse.


10:08 Land of Nod - the wording was chosen by Moses from a pre-Flood document (oral or written), which can have taken that wording years after Cain knew his wife there.

Or Cain and Seth and all the rest can have been instructed whenever they come to a new place to claim it and name it (as we know Christopher Columbus did with Hispianiola = Little Spain = Haiti island, comprising now Haiti and Dominican Republic). So Cain can have told his wife "let us call this land Nod" before getting around to her to people it.

But of course I am not denying anything Church Fathers may have said in the opposite sense.


Glad you are arguing against Pereire, btw:

Ver. 16. A fugitive, according to his sentence. Hebrew nod, which the Septuagint have taken for a proper name. "In the land of Naid, over against Eden," (Haydock) or in the fields of Nyse, in Hyrcania, to the east of Eden and Armenia. (Calmet)

Ver. 17. His wife. She was a daughter of Adam, and Cain's own sister; God dispensing with such marriages in the beginning of the world, as mankind could not otherwise be propagated. --- He built a city, viz. In process of time, when his race was multiplied, so as to be numerous enough to people it. For in the many hundred years he lived, his race might be multiplied even to millions. (Challoner) --- The Hanuchta, which Ptolemy places in Susiana, (Calmet) may perhaps have been built after the flood, in the same place. Josephus says, Cain was the first who fortified a city; designing it for a retreat, where he might keep the fruits of his robberies, Antiquities 1. 3. Peirere founds his ill-concerted system of Preadamites, or of men existing before Adam, on the history of Cain exercising husbandry, building a city, &c.; as if there were any difficulty in supposing, that the arts would have made some progress in the lapse of above a century. (Haydock)

[From Haydock comment of Genesis ch. IV, obviously

Before reading this, I would have placed Nod in India. India could theoretically have been Hendia, -ia is an ending, which leaves Hend, which could come from Henod = portmanteau word of Henoch in Nod. But Persia would also explain if Mahabharata contained references to pre-Flood Nod, since Aryans came to India presumably from Persia. Slight linguistic difficulty - Hindus is a Persian name for a river called Sind by Indians, I seem to recall somewhere from, so, if it was ever any Hendia or Hend, the H may go back to S instead.


12:29 sister, possible, niece, possible "or a more distant cousin"? You mean grand niece, or great grand niece, I hope!

Had his wife been a cousin, Adam would have needed to have siblings.

12:29 PS, checked Haydock, it seems Church Fathers or at least their successors back in 1859 were agreeing it was precisely a sister - and also that even well before Moses, even one generation after Seth or Cain, marrying a full sister would have been unlawful.

Abraham was not married to a full sister having both parents in common, only to a half sister. Abimelech's and the Pharao's comment indicate people were aware sisters were not supposed to be wives before Moses codified it.

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