... on Chronological Snobbery, Mainly

1) ... against the concept of "Before History" · 2) ... on Chronological Snobbery, Mainly

6:25

"for the first time" - no. It was a recovery.

renge9909

You know, you could just keep your comments in one post.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

For one thing, they are on successive parts of video.

For another, I tried exactly that on a computer which muddled the line breaks into one paragraph.

And third, this way anyone who wants to comment on ONE aspect of my criticism can comment on that one, and those wanting to comment on ANOTHER can comment on that one.

Lajos Winkler

It had to start at one point. That's what's being referenced in the video - when it actually started for the first time.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

And that is exactly what I disagreed with.

I am no longer sure 6:25 is about agriculture or metallurgy, but I am sure the date given is a misdating for a date after the Flood of Noah and that both arts existed before the Flood.

Agriculture from Adam, Metallurgy from Tubal Kain.

Lajos Winkler

+Hans-Georg Lundahl There was no flood. It's a myth from a book written by cavemen and later edited by the scholars.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Oh, you admit cavemen could write books, then?

Lajos Winkler

+Hans-Georg Lundahl It was a society developed not much more than actual cavemen of Europe. They lived in today's Middle East. They were imagining stories just like any other society, and transfering them by storytelling, later those got written on parchments, paper, etc.

Their crude life and primitive morality got saved in a number of savage stories that make up the holy books of abrahamic religions.

It still has nothing to do with the fact you believe in a myth. You're being irrational.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

You are believing in a myth which is as much a reconstruction and as much untrue as Ginnungagap (see Norse Mythology). How "developed" their society was has NOTHING to do with how reliable they are. Your saying they made up a story does not explain how they came to believe in it as fact, and it is inherent in the Flood Story of the Bible that Flood was to them presented as, not a reconstructed fact, nor a revealed fact, but as a traceable, historic fact, having tangible connexions with their genealogy.

No, the one really irrational about THIS question is you. Among other things, through Chronological snobbism

+ I presume you dare not even show your own name, since it seems you are hiding behind that of a previous known man:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lajos_Winkler

Lajos Winkler

Pills, dude. Take them.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Oh, you are a Commie!

They have their attitude to Christianity and Psychiatry. The kind of thing I hoped the East Block was out off, back in 1990!

(If you are a Commie, that would ALSO explain why you hide behind a screen name taken from a dead man - you didn't say I was wrong on that one.)

Lajos Winkler

@Hans-Georg Lundahl ROFL XD

Hans-Georg Lundahl

OK, did I get ANYTHING specifically wrong about you?

Zamalamahama

@Hans-Georg Lundahl when was the flood of Noah?

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@Zamalamahama According to the Roman martyrology, in 2957 BC.

Zamalamahama

@Hans-Georg Lundahl I can’t find any evidence of a global flood occurring around those times? The closest I could find is the black sea deluge hypothesis. Even looking back to the civilisations of the time when the flooding occurred like Mesopotamia and ancient China, I can’t find any records of a flood impeding their progress. There doesn’t seem to be any evidence of a global flood happening around this timeframe?

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@Zamalamahama "the civilisations of the time when the flooding occurred like Mesopotamia and ancient China,"

Would you mind telling me exactly how you date a civilisation in Mesopotamia or China as existing contemporary to 2957 BC?

Bc, Ur did not in 4000 BC start a chronicle with systematic dating "ab Ur condita" that states Alexander died in Babylon in "3677 an Ur condita" ... and Chinese dates for Fu Hsi actually are a bit later than 2957.