Thursday, November 12, 2020

Babel Skyscraper, Portal or Rocket?

Creation vs. Evolution: Babel in Eridu? · Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Dispute with Douglas Petrovich · Babel or Exodus Myths? · Babel Skyscraper, Portal or Rocket? · Creation vs. Evolution: "On the Evolutionary Timescale" is NOT in my vocabulary

Also under Doug Petrovich's video.

Steve W
The Tower of Babel wasn't some ancient version of a multi-storied skyscraper as many have thought. It was an inter-dimensional portal in the form of a ziggurat which they were using to communicate with demons who had deceived them into believing that they were communicating with the gods. This became so dangerous in terms of a demonic union between man and satan, that God in His great mercy had to intervene and confuse their language to break up that unity. Had He not done so, it would have eventually led to the human race being wiped out because the gene pool would have been corrupted by a demonic union between satan and man. This is what leads me to believe that the mark of the beast will be just that - some type of implanted microchip that will fuse human DNA with demonic DNA under the false pretense of fusing humans with extra-terrestrials which they will claim are the ancient "gods". This would explain why anyone who receives that mark has no possibility of redemption.

Derek Kranz
Interesting, now how do you know all this?

Hans-Georg Lundahl
"It was an inter-dimensional portal in the form of a ziggurat which they were using to communicate with demons"

This is not Josephus' take, and he knew Genesis text as good as you do.

To him, there was a question of getting to higher, unfloodable, ground, before earth was destroyed again (mistrust of God's promise).

Steve W
@Hans-Georg Lundahl ummm...Josephus' writings are not inspired scripture. Some of what Josephus says is corroborated historical fact, some is not and some is speculation.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@Steve W Look here. Pretending the Tower of Babel was a portal to contact demons is most definitely also not inspired Scripture.

What about cutting the "two measures" approach?

Steve W
@Hans-Georg Lundahl The idea that it was a demonic portal fits better with the text. Nowhere in that text is the flood mentioned and in verse 4, it isn't describing the actual physical height of 62 miles up into the earth's atmosphere as a means to actually physically reach into the heavens. It's describing a massive structure as part of a city that would be to "make a name for themselves". The mention of "nothing they propose will be withheld from them" is the key. All kinds of great cities were built in the ancient world but there was something about this one that was dangerous beyond the natural realm. That's why it fits.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@Steve W I think it fits, Josephus, that is, because Nimrod didn't count the cost. If he tried a skyscraper he had no idea of 62 miles, and if he wanted a rocket to the stars, he had no idea of Voyager 1 and 2 not yet being one light day up after 50 years.

For which of you having a mind to build a tower, doth not first sit down, and reckon the charges that are necessary, whether he have wherewithal to finish it:
[Luke 14:28]

Well, Nimrod was not present among the "of you".

Also, shall not be withheld, the getting into heaven has since been granted : above stars, when Christ opened Pearly Gates, but above atmosphere when Laika, Gagarin and Armstrong took off.

Some say some wanted to kill God - was granted to them (meaning Pharisees made themselves a synagogue of Nimrod!) at Crucifixion.

@Steve W "Nowhere in that text is the flood mentioned"

Neither is any portal or contacting demons.

Quit two measures!

Steve W
@Hans-Georg Lundahl Well now, seeing as they were centuries away from rocket technology, try again to explain what was meant by "nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them" in Genesis 11:6b. This IMHO is the key to an educated speculation as to just what וּמִגְדָּל וְרֹאשׁוֹ בַשָּׁמַיִם means.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@Steve W They were about 45 centuries away from useful rocket technology. Leonardo da Vinci was also 4 to 5 centuries away from useful airplane technology.

God may have stopped the rocket project so they could make the discoveries needed for Cape Canaveral and Baikonoor not killing Laika, Gagarin, Armstrong and Aldrin with lots of bystanders as well.

A rocket take off gone wrong is far deadlier than an airplane flight gone wrong. You could even survive a "flight" in a Leonardo plane if you took the precaution to fly above a lake deep enough and calm enough to not kill someone falling into it.

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