I'm Not Sure My Examples Coincide with Heschmeyer's

The Gnostic Strain in Protestantism
Shameless Popery | 26 Sept. 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prUN4vY_zYs

Before listening. There is a couple of debates I had some years ago, on FB I think, they were taken down from my blog and I was kicked out of the groups but there were Protestants arguing:

• Mary no longer is the mother of Jesus, since He doesn't have the same body, "he has a resurrection body not born from her" they argued
• Jesus doesn't have a physical body in Heaven, so, there is nothing that can so to speak bilocate in the Eucharist.

Now, that's definitely very Gnostic sounding to me, basically Docetism is applying this retroactively to before the Crucifixion, especially the latter thing.

However, if we deny these theological horror stories, as we should, we need to observe a thing or two. Basically, what did St. Robert Bellarmine and James VI and I disciple of Calvin have in common when discussing the Eucharist?

• St. Robert: Jesus' body is physically in Heaven under its own dimensions, but bilocates under the dimensions of bread and wine to the altar.
• Calvinism: Jesus' body is physically in Heaven under its own dimensions and doesn't bilocate.

So, the common ground to Catholicism and pre-Gnostic Calvinism is, Jesus has a physical body that rose from the dead, and as it is a physical body, it is in a place. Heaven is a place.

In Ptolemaic, Galilean, Tychonic cosmologies, the fix stars form a shell. Heaven, as the physical place where Jesus has a throne, is beyond that shell. The shell is physically part of space, and the direction "above it" is physically part of space, so, Heaven is also physically part of space.

How do you square this into Deep Space?

It can be noted, how all people viewed sphere of fix stars in the 17th C. is a bit like people now view (if astronomically inclined) the Oort cloud.

Difference, the sphere of fix stars can be observed, we do so every night unless it's cloudy. The Oort cloud so far hasn't been.