Ulysses Grant and William Tecumseh Sherman, Theologians?

New blog on the kid: Leo XIV (if such) Refers to Leo XIII ... and Leo XII? · Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Michael II Remains My Pope · An interview with Pope Michael by Christian Wagner .... Second Part of Video · Ulysses Grant and William Tecumseh Sherman, Theologians? · Dialogue Continued

Hear a Southron friendly Catholic:

DOES POPE LEO XIV BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION?
PETER HELLAND | 10 May 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkvtWgbzYQY

When it comes to Mark 10:6, I must say Morris and Whitcombe have a more Catholic interpretation than Fulcran Vigouroux.

Fulcran Vigouroux, who, as said, believed that Adam and Eve were created c. 5500 BC, and nevertheless thinks parts of Creation would have been created 100 000's of years earlier, would arguably have said "creation refers to human creation" ...

As a Catholic, no it doesn't. Col. 1:23 doesn't prove that "all creation under heaven" (a limitation also not present in Mark 10:6) refers only to the human creation, since we preach to salt and cars and horses and pet cats insofar as we bless them. Or, our clergy does, but St. Paul does mention his role as minister in that verse, so, it's still apt.

PETER HELLAND

@peter52helland

Kolbe Center and Crisis magazine are slugging it out:

Crisis Magazine: A Truly Traditionalist Approach to Science Isn’t What You’ve Been Told
Eric Sammons | March 12, 2025
https://crisismagazine.com/opinion/a-truly-traditionalist-approach-to-science-isnt-what-youve-been-told

Kolbe Center: A Truly Traditionalist Approach to Science
Eric Bermingham and Hugh Owen | March 19, 2025
https://kolbecenter.org/a-truly-traditionalist-approach-to-science/

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@hglundahl

@peter52helland I've actually written a reply to Eric Sammons.

New blog on the kid: I have not read the book by "Cardinal" Brandmüller ...
Hans Georg Lundahl at 15:52 | Friday, 14 March 2025
https://nov9blogg9.blogspot.com/2025/03/i-have-not-read-book-by-cardinal.html

PETER HELLAND

@hglundahl . Seeking Truth and God. 2 John 1:4 I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.

6:29 Origen didn't say "maybe ten thousand" ... he said "less than ten thousand" ...

Adequate as approximation compared to an Egyptian chronology which allowed Osiris to rule for 12 000 years or so ...

The point is, with a LXX chronology, he couldn't say "less than 5000" ....

PETER HELLAND

Actually I was inferring up to 10,000 years. But you were good to check if I misspoke. You are probably more knowledgeable than me on the details of the two chronologies.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@peter52helland Here are the actual words:

All the 6:17 church fathers said the earth was around 6:19 6,000 years old Origin said "Well maybe 6:22 it's 10,000."

I think I have read "less than" ...

Thank you for taking it so kindly.

10:19 Some Church Fathers didn't place Our Lord's birth in 4004 anno mundi, though that is compatible with the Vulgate.

Nicaea II mentioned Incarnation in the context of

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[Colossians 1:15]

And mentioned that this Image became visible 5500 after Creation.

The Roman Martyrology places the Birth of God 5199 after Creation, 2957 after the Flood and a few more ... (including 752 after the founding of Rome).

So, if I say "seven thousand years ago" I'll have the support of some Church Fathers as well as magisterial and liturgic authority.

PETER HELLAND

As Orestes and maybe Henry Brownson said, those few or several centuries are of no consequence in the battle against the main enemy of our day: geology.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@peter52helland Flood Geology as per Tas Walker is hardly an enemy.

The centuries may be theologically less important, for purposes of Creationist archaeology, I find them useful, as with putting Neanderthals in the pre-Flood era.

PETER HELLAND

@ Orestes Brownson wrote in the 1870’s that geology false science was the main enemy of the Catholic church. It continues to be.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

I don't think he was thinking of Steno or Tas Walker?

Continued

with a third party, on the post Dialogue Continued.

11:34 Ruffini's position is not compatible with carbon 14.

If the atmosphere is billions of years old, that carbon 14 level couldn't have been so low recently that a Neanderthal (descending from Adam and Eve) dated to between 42 and 47 000 years were really just a few centuries before the Flood.

People like Fulcran Vigouroux, a Sulpician priest, didn't have carbon 14. They could say God took 100 000 years with the six days, but the sixth day ended with Adam and Eve being created, so all of the anthropocene is 6000 to 7500 years old.

If Pius XII kept the faith, despite Humani Generis, this was probably what he personally believed.