A Hindu Dissed Rome

5000 ans de force : pourquoi l'Inde a survécu à ce que Rome n'a pas pu
Bharat Varsh project | 30 May 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r_dF0PEGFs

yet by the fifth 0:47 century Rome was a ghost of his former0:50 glory

Before the fifth C ended, Zeno revived Rome.

1:58 Will Durant's wife was born under a Roman Emperor residing in Saint Petersburg.

Her ancestors unhesitatingly would have called Czars Roman Emperors. I recall reading about a Jewish sage of the 17th C, one Gamzuk, who was "interrogated about a treasure by the Roman Emperor" ... I thought this was nuts, but it simply meant the Czar. It is obviously correct too, even if Czars were not as Roman as for centuries the Habsburg's.

2:24 Hispania and Britannia weren't quite as diverse back then as Spain and UK are now.

Rebellious? Part of Roman culture. Caesar came to power in a rebellion. The previous régime, the Republic, came to power by a rebellion. Within the Republic, several new régimes came to power in a rebellion.

The actual suicide of the Roman Emperor was starting nearly 111 years ago, because a rebel against Austria had a pistol and popularity in a neighbouring country with a rival view of Rome.

3:18 OK, you could pronounce Alarik, can you say Moghul?

3:50 Look, a certain Indian culture with flower and fruit offerings, often enough concerned with spiritual salvation in some form has also come to replace an Indian culture with offerings to gods of horses getting killed.

India has undergone a spiritual revolution about as radical as when Christianity replaced the sacrifices to Woden up North, about a thousand years ago.

4:18 Rome lost as a unified Empire, but survived precisely as a Civilisation.

If you believe Civilisation is more important than Empire, perhaps you borrow from Christianity ... the precise item allowing Rome to survive as a Civilisation?

If not, perhaps from the even younger religion now called Hinduism. The one that replaced horse sacrifices with fruit and flower offerings.

aayush paliwal

@aayushpaliwal3450

You say Rome survived as a civilisation.. via cristinanity.. how so?

Also, Hindusim is nothing but vedic religion in continuity. As for which is younger! ah.. you'd find the the Baghor stone findings enlightening.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@hglundahl

@aayushpaliwal3450 Did Druids ever use Stone henge?

Does that prove the builders of Stone Henge were Druidic Celts, or Druidic at all?

Baghor Stone is now used as a cult object by Hindus, previously by the Vedic religion.

If they are the same, tell me what man you know who sacrificed a horse to any god? That was part of the Vedic religion.

As to your first question:

"You say Rome survived as a civilisation.. via cristinanity.. how so?"

After all comments I made elsewhere under the video, how not so?

Madana Gopal

@madanagopal4736

#Mr. HG Lundahl. :"that replaced Horse Sacrifices (= Ashvamedha-Yajna)."

No horse is slaughtered in a Horse Sacrifice.
A Horse Sacrifice is not what you think it is.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@madanagopal4736 No horse is slaughtered in them any longer, but I think the Ashvamedha-Yajna of Vedic times ... sorry, even later, was conducted with an actual slaughter:

The Ashvamedha (Sanskrit: अश्वमेध, romanized: aśvamedha)[1] was a horse sacrifice ritual followed by the Śrauta tradition of Vedic religion. It was used by ancient Indian kings to prove their imperial sovereignty: a horse accompanied by the king's warriors would be released to wander for a year. In the territory traversed by the horse, any rival could dispute the king's authority by challenging the warriors accompanying it. After one year, if no enemy had managed to kill or capture the horse, the animal would be guided back to the king's capital. It would be then sacrificed, and the king would be declared as an undisputed sovereign.

The ritual is recorded as being held by many ancient rulers, but apparently only by two in the last thousand years. The most recent ritual was in 1741, the second one held by Maharajah Jai Singh II of Jaipur.

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A great number of animals, both tame and wild, were tied to other stakes, according to one commentator, 609 in total. The sacrificer offered the horse the remains of the night's oblation of grain. The horse was then suffocated to death.

This was then somewhat different from the kind of sacrifices you are doing now, more close, though not quite close to Odinists sacrificing a horse to Frey.

MKS SMK

@MKSSMK-r5y

Such deep knowledge of our Pagan religions from people of your ilk really assures us

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@MKSSMK-r5y Irony or not, I'm not sure that I even care.

4:49 Rome has thrived in multilicity since that time in the fifth C you talked about.

Alarik was probably more Roman than you are English.

Rome of the East (Zeno), Rome of the Visigoths, Rome of the Burgundians, Rome of the Franks (cocorico!), Rome of the Britons and warring with that on the same island, Rome of the Anglo-Saxons, that's why London speaks English and not Welsh. Anglo-Saxons briefly tried transplanting a Barbaric, non-Roman Paganism to their rule, and only managed to fall back on Roman Christianity.

Shakthivel saravanan

@shakthivelsaravanan9263

What do you mean by barbaric paganism?

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@hglundahl

@shakthivelsaravanan9263 Same as non-Roman paganism.

Roman paganism went down anyway, but Roman Christianity outlived non-Roman paganism.

5:01 Changing the names, structurally you have just described the survival of Rome and of Christianity.

In an era when Ireland was added to the learning of Rome.

The main difference isn't the success story of surviving civilisation, the main difference is in what religion it has.

And Christian Catholics today have more in common with Christians of the First C. or Jews of the Maccabean times, than Hinduism today has with the Hindus subdued by the Buddhist Asoka.

5:55 Rome's glory lived in the Vulgate, the Breviary and the Missal, and in Virgil, on the Latin side.

And, while writing preserved the NT from the go, a merely oral tradition meant, the Mahabharata and the Ramayana (and perhaps even more the Rigveda) could change when oral tradition ran across diverse religious changes. Modern Nāgarī (Devanagari) exists since the 12th C AD. Or perhaps 11th C. The time when Sweden adopted Roman Christianity and the Roman Alphabet. That's later than the Carolingian Minuscule. Early Nagari is from somewhat earlier than Carolingian Minuscule. Gupta Script is about the time of Uncial, and earlier Brahmi Script is younger than the Latin alphabet.

Brahmadath Koodallur

@brahmadathkoodallur3343

Not really. The oral tradition is preserved much better than the written ones. Especially the Rigveda. I myself hail from Kerala India , and have had first hand experience with the oral teachings of Vedas. It is strictly taught and memorised so much so that the continuum has been maintained almost from the very beginning with maybe just 2 or 3 types of renditions. Look upon the nambudiri Brahmin traditions of Kerala. They were one of the most isolated groups of Brahmins with the strictest ways of life. Maybe the only remaining group of Brahmins that fully perform all the Vedic fire rituals and teachings. Although in recent years a change has been brought about regarding caste discrimination and pollution in the community , main rituals still remain intact .

Hans-Georg Lundahl

@brahmadathkoodallur3343 In Vedic times, horses were sacrificed.

I did not say that oral tradition was impossible to maintain fairly faithfully, but when a religion changes, one can agree on "finding" a "correcter" version of the sloka.

And everyone starts repeating that one instead, and it spreads to other places along with religious changes.

If a religion changes over a written text, the new religion has many copies of a text from an older religion to deal with.

Protestantism has basically killed itself over the failure to digest the Bible.

"Oh, those books are apocrypha"
"Oh, you are not meant to take that literally"

Says who? Says who? Why is their word more precious than the word of their predecessor? Eventually, Protestantism leads to Catholicism or Apostasy.

6:24 Slavery in Rome was abolished by Christianity. Slowly but surely.

Local governance was clearly the Roman way for all of the Middle Ages as well as from Late Antiquity.

Pompeii was destroyed in 79 AD, when I walked on its ruins, I saw SPQP ... Senatus PopulusQue Pompeiorum.

A Pompeian citizen had dual citizenship, in Pompeii and in Rome. A burgher of 14th C Aachen was first of all a burgher of Aachen before being a subject of the Holy Roman Empire.

7:55 Can you spell Seneca? Can you spell Marcus Aurelius?

They tried to use philosophy as armour.

Rome took a happier route. St. Thomas used philosophy as road paving on the narrow road to Heaven.

Rome had, India has, a philosophy of not getting too deeply in trouble. Rome has a philosophy of happiness.

8:18 Upanishads, you say ...

The mukhya Upanishads predate the Common Era, but there is no scholarly consensus on their date, or even on which ones are pre- or post-Buddhist.

Buddhism .... Siddharta was born c. 563 or 480 BC, died c. 483 or 400 BC. Socrates, we have less doubt about the dates: born c. 470 BC, died 399 BC. So, he was maybe older than, maybe contemporary of Socrates, he was certainly younger than Solon, born c. 630 BC, died c. 560 BC.

Rome never stopped referring to them, to their disciple and relative Plato, to Plato's disciple Aristotle.

Including Christian Rome never stopped doing so.