...on ghosts and miracles

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Re: Intelligent Design	10/16/03 (ten years ago, in some months) 09:16 pm
by: hglundahl (34/M/Malmö)	Msg: 200455 of 200980

dhux99

Conservative Christianity posits assumptions not supported by evidence and in contradiction to both evidence and reason, such as

HGL

note examples:

dhux99

the existence of a pit in which almost everyone is tortured,

HGL

- contradicted by noone's experience or right reason, confirmed frequently by ghosts from hell who have complained and warned

[I forgot to correct "almost everyone" to "a majority, facing an important minority who go to Heaven"]

dhux99

a virgin bi[r]th particular to Jesus,

HGL

- contradicted by noone's experience or right reason, but confirmed by the people concerned

dhux99

and a world created in six days with the sun, moon, and stars made after the earth, et cetera.

HGL

- contradicted by noone's experience or right reason

all of which also confirmed by the authority of scriptures accepted by the Church founded by Christ as inspired by God

napolleon_wang said something about ghosts and I replied twice:

Sir: Holy writ tells us of at least one ghost: Samuel's appearing to king Saul.

St Gregory the great tells us of rather many ghosts, both from Hell and from Purgatory, the ones warning us not to share their fate, the others begging for intercession.

The people who make fun of ghosts are enemies of the Catholic Church and of Christ.

who said i am scared of ghosts?

i said i believe there are such, that is another thing

I also had to reply to one Statman_

HGL

as to your q 1, look at what this comic attitude to ghosts is doing with people's reactions to a Catholic:

note examples:

dhux99

the existence of a pit in which almost everyone is tortured,

HGL

- contradicted by noone's experience or right reason, confirmed frequently by ghosts from hell who have complained and warned

Statman_

Get thee to a psychiatrist, most quick.

HGL

if you want to get people who believe in the human testimony confirming ghosts into those places, you are a persecutor.

Statman_

Get thee to a psychiatrist, then, who treats paranoid states. Christianity encourages paranoid states.

HGL

other reaction:

I had said:

The people who make fun of ghosts are enemies of the Catholic Church and of Christ.

napolleon_wang

ha ha ha doffus and pe:ople who bleleive in gosts are 4 year old and pleople with d[iaper on head

are you believving in eas;ter bunny doffus

NpawAng

HGL

Are you prepared to have Catholics publically insulted for stating their faith or part of it?

Further replies to Statman_ and napolleon_wang:

I responded to your question whether not agreeing with the Catholic Church makes you an enemy thereof. That was in turn a response to my claim that the people who not just disbelieve ghosts but actually make fun of people who believe there are ghosts are enemies of the Church. I was showing you what I meant by inimical.

there are six year olds who do not believe in ghosts, because they have been told there are no ghosts. when i was six i believed in evolution and when i was eight i believed in heliocentrism as well.

comparing someone to small children or madmen because they believe in ghosts is clearly insulting and humiliating.

resumé of exchange with dhux:

HGL

Are you prepared to have Catholics publically insulted for stating their faith or part of it?

dhux99

No laws were broken.

HGL

If the laws of your country allow you to recommend a man going to a shrink for believing there are ghosts, or calling the same man paranoid, or a fellow of you to compare such a man to someone wearing diapers on his head, your country or state has no laws.

dhux99

I can see you have no appreciate for my comedy whatsoever. I believe authoritarian institutions and personalities are entirely fit subjects for comedy and satire and not for use as proof texts for establishing doctrine or rationalizing traditions.

HGL

So now a ghost or a person who has seen one or a person who believes another person or persons who has seen them are all of a sudden the mighty and powerful in this society? That IS indeed a comic implication. LOL!

dhux99

What planet do you come from?

HGL

I am from Vienna which is not on any planet but on this earth. And as far as I know, as early as when Oscar Wilde wrote The Ghost of Canterville in the 19th C, one prerequisite for being as high and mighty as for instance a US Ambassador was disbelieving in ghosts. I do not think you live in another world where believing in ghosts the Catholic way is seen as a merit for any carreer of power: at least not among English and USAmericans.