Tuesday, June 27, 2023

Answering Jordan Peterson, whether he was speaking to me or not ...


A Harmless Man is NOT a Good Man - Jordan Peterson
After Skool, 27 June 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6gqNTtuMU8


Have you heard of a bull submitted to people who thought "a harmless bull is not a good bull"?

Ferdinand the Bull (film)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_the_Bull_(film)


Ferdinand the Bull is a 1938 American stand-alone animated short produced by Walt Disney Productions and released on November 25, 1938, by RKO Radio Pictures.[1] It was directed by Dick Rickard and based on the 1936 book The Story of Ferdinand by Munro Leaf. The music was by Albert Hay Malotte, most known for his setting of The Lord's Prayer, commonly sung at weddings.


3:09 Lenin was actually worse than Stalin.
a) He attempted but never realised eugenics. I was quite confident on other grounds that Lenin is a better candidate for "seventh king" (Apoc 17:10, perhaps 17:11 in your Bible) than Hitler, but was unsure, because Hitler had eugenics. On this account, Lenin was as bad as Hitler, just not as efficient. It was Stalin who eliminated it and called it bourgeois.
b) Lenin used a kind of hippie communes to get to power, and then trod them under foot (Leningrad commune, mariners of Kronstadt), while Stalin was clear from the first he wouldn't tolerate that.

3:36 I have at least a recipe for not being like Lenin or Hitler in practise.

Believing in better models and better views on how to treat the poor.

Maybe won't work in the end, particularly if people with your profession continue to try to rub my nose into what they see as my horridness, by exposing me to my worst ... in my worst external conditions. But at least it's a try.

For the record, my better models do include Mussolini (prior to 1938, or in Ethiopia to 1934) and Franco. And Dollfuss. And Schuschnigg.

They also include Eamonn DeValera and Franz Joseph Strauss and a few more who technically were not dictators.

3:55 It may certainly be a way to wisdom on my behalf to volunteer to face the thing I least want to face.

It's not a way to either my wisdom or a network's if a network tries to force me to it.

5:34 Chesterton had a story about a club providing adventure.

A military man steps into one of the adventures the club provided. He didn't know it was one. He thought the dangers were real (to himself and particularly a lady, who was part of the club), and acted as a soldier. I think it is when he beats one of the fake crooks up that he says "wait, this was not the terms of your adventure" - "what do you mean?" ... he married the young lady, but never asked the club for another adventure.

The point being, writing an adventure for someone else may be great - if he's consented to it.

I do not own a cell phone. My online activity is from computers I borrow and have to leave when time is up. Outside computers, I'm very offline.

My alcohol consumption is about 3 - 3.5 cl pure alcohol in an evening, i e a pint of Leffe or 25 cl wine, or a larger bottle of weaker cider. Right now I don't even take that, due to having to build up muscles after tearing them down on an adventure others were providing - without my actually asking for it.

I do not think I correspond to the caricature you were showing. Some do, like people looking at the mere fact there is a bottle, or trying to figure out how much I spend on a cell phone with all my blogging, when the correct answer is zero hours, zero minutes, zero seconds. I do it from computers. Which I don't have with my homeless luggage and do not really intend to have at home, when I get one, if I can continue using libraries and cybers.

["Some do" - i e not correspond, but unlike me think that I correspond etc.]

I wonder how much Jungian therapy there was in the process of turning a man with a ring into a ring wraith .... a Tolkien scholar spoke about the "writhing process" ...

When you are making a Catholic unable to say the rosary, because the "sicut et nos dimittimus" becomes too irksome, you are overdoing it.

There is another and safer way to be good than discovering how bad you are, and that is, meditating on how good God is. Hence 15 mysteries of the rosary.

@bobbydsj
What are you a monk? Incidentally, a lot of monks are renown for their martial prowess. It's just you..

@hglundahl
@bobbydsj What is the exact point of your question?

Nothing in my comment warrants the question whether I am a monk.

If I had military prowess, that would still not warrant the idea of foisting an unasked for adventure on me. As some seem to be wanting to do.

Case in point. I set out from Paris to visit my mother in Sweden, 6.VI. I intended to get past the border, then relieve good old times as I had enjoyed with her as a child, with hitchhiking. 12.VI I went to a library to access the internet, and my sister told me mother had died. My first reaction was to hurry up to the burial. I took a train with no money for the ticket, and took it to Hamburg, where I hoped to meet a friend.

After that, getting at internet was so hard, and hitchhiking was so hardI barely reached that friend about a week later and staying in a place where I could have agreed a Western Union transfer with sis to pay for the train was made impossible. Sleep privations. Being in the street is in the Hamburg region much more humiliating than in the Paris region. I decided to get back to France when I realised the burial would make for big delays in my return.

That was not made easy. I was under the kind of police surveillance one would expect for a dangerous madman or criminal or terrorist.


7:40 Given that my mother actually died, 6.VI, I have a feeling I am being targetted, though not mentioned.

There are people that can be way more useful about her death than I, since I haven't been in Sweden since 2004.

But some would like to interpret my return to France as a refusal to face things ...

There are guys who would prefer me to face lots and lots and lots of things about my mother's death and so on, rather than to get on with my work as an online writer a k a blogger.

  • The guy (in Munster) who cited Jeremias 7 and 44 in misapplying it to Mariology was perhaps not too pleased when back in Paris I wrote "Jeremias 7 and 44 and the Duchess of Dorchester"
  • The guy who made a video called "What Jesus Told This Catholic Man Shocked Him!" (his name and title seem to be Dr. Francis Myles) may have been less than happy about my answer post "Faked Conversion from Catholicism Story?" where I highly question his story, since a former Catholic should not have the idea that a rosary has 66 beads (it has 59, plus medal and cross / crucifix).
  • Dr. Jordan Peterson, claiming to speak on behalf of people's mental needs, might be less happy about my responding about people's rights.


[tried to add the following below it:]

On top of that, if people hadn't been so eager to keep me offline nearly all the time in North Germany, I actually might have come to Malmowe to be useful. Now, I am being as useful as I can from Paris.

["however, some coward had taken away my comment on 7:40" - I said. Someone claimed it was the youtube algorithm, and I should add it back manually, which I do.]

Monday, June 26, 2023

Faked Conversion from Catholicism Story?


Dr. Francis Myles tells his story here:

What Jesus Told This Catholic Man Shocked Him!
Supernatural Stories, 17 June 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqJMq_CwOS4


I comment twice:

I 2:44 He told you "the pope is the only person on earth Jesus can talk to"?

That's not Catholic dogma!

It's contrary to the canonisations of Sts. Bridget of Vadstena and Catherine of Siena, and also to that of St. Francis of Sales who recommends, at communion, "imagine you are talking to Jesus, He's there for you, open up to Him on what's really on your heart!"

II 5:29 Your story begins to sound fake.

"The sixty six beads that are in the rosary"

53 Hail Mary beads
6 Our Father beads
Glory Be prayed without a special bead
Cross for creed, medal for Salve Regina

59 actual beads and in total 61 things to finger except the string itself.

If you claim to be raised Catholic or your father was a Catholic, you should be able to get the number of beads on a rosary right!

Did he say "66"? Check screenshot with subtitles:

Friday, June 16, 2023

Answering Manis Friedman


Why Jews don't believe in Christianity
Rabbi Manis Friedman, 1st June 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRURGzEi41o


1:22 a retired psychiatrist apostasised ... God punished him with damnation for having been a psychiatrist.

1:37 See, psychiatry is an Antichristian superstition.

2:33 Psychiatrists manipulate so much themselves, and they are so prone to "detect" manipulation.

3:08 OK, what if vulnerability needs to have an end?

Have you read Gone with the Wind? The main male character, Rhett Butler I think he's called, loves Scarlett O'Hara.

He truly is vulnerable. But she mistreats him emotionally, continuously, he has other duties, and finally he needs to tell her "frankly, my dear, I don't care" ...

There comes a time when a man needs to make a happy marriage, and when some of the women he loved must stop making him vulnerable.

whoknew770
Your analogy is from nonfiction. If it works for you, more power to you. It wouldn't for me. That relationship was all about manipulation, from both sides, lack of honesty, lack of respect, and so on.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@whoknew770 From fiction.

It is ages since I read Gone with the Wind.

I don't think Rhett Butler was what you say, symmetric to Scarlett O'Hara.

Chris Johnson
That is an excellent metaphor.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@Chris Johnson Thank you.

whoknew770
@Hans-Georg Lundahl yes corrected myself thanks

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@whoknew770 No problem.

Thank you again!

... er, in return!


3:21 Oh, yes, we do believe in God's vulnerability.

Check out the feast of the Sacred Heart.

4:11 Fair enough as a refutation of Arianism or JW - both make Jesus the first creature, and therefore an assistant God.

God is Trinity. Was Trinity before He created. Was Trinity when He created "man in our image" - Father, Son and Holy Ghost are the "we" of this sentence.

4:36 God did not more need you than that He could have annihilated you and made Moses patriarch of another people, remember?

Or rather, Israel. Because the true Israel is the Catholic Church, you Jews are a fake Israel.

Though, according to Romans 11, this is not eternally so. Read Hosea.

Answering Ryan Foley


Why Catholicism is EVIL
Ryan Foley, 29 May 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTuCzhVZ9KM


0:36 You seem to have read a few verses and imagined to yourself what they imply, and concluded they are at variance with what you think Catholicism implies.

You can have access to the Father by a fellow on Earth praying for you, or not?

If yes, then you can so through Mary and the Saints in Heaven praying for you as well.

If no, you have an issue with everything saying to "pray for one another"

1:28 No Catholic ever was a red letter Christian. No Catholic says St. Paul contains error.

1:43 None of the three verses exclude Saints, Mary or Rosary.

2:23 Before you dismiss "the Church is the foundation," how about getting to St. Paul again?

But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
1 Timothy 3:15

Ground means foundation. St. Paul actually says what those priests told you, the Church is the foundation.

2:27 Ouch! King James is a fake translation!

Greek, Syriac, Coptic all have "stutter-speech" or "stuttering" and Latin has "many words" - Our Lord is speaking about holding speeches to the gods (or in some cases, which He deplores, to God) because you are nervous about getting heard like someone stuttering, and you make fine speeches to bolster your odds.

Not only is this the fact about the text (prior to the fake translation King James), but since Our Lord specifies "like the heathen" it is a very clear fact about Greco-Roman prayer.

So, what do you hope to prove by translating the Bible wrong?

2:54 Matthew 6:7
  • does not forbid saying a short prayer over and over again
  • does not forbid saying a prayer someone else said.


It DOES forbid holding speeches to God to really in detail explain what you want or why your request is a pious one.

3:02 If the command you refer to means what you think it means, St. Paul broke it.

He told one of the local Churches "I am your father"

For if you have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet not many fathers. For in Christ Jesus, by the gospel, I have begotten you
1 Corinthians 4:15

St. Paul was asking every Corinthian Christian to call him father.

But take a closer look:

in Christ Jesus, ...I have begotten you

And call none your father upon earth; for one is your father, who is in heaven.
Matthew 23:9

Our Lord is forbidding us to take mentors.

Thursday, June 8, 2023

Michael Lofton took on Ryan Foley


Protestant Storms Catholic Pulpit and Preaches Heresy
Reason & Theology, 1.VI.2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waeRMR-d9yQ


8:18 Thank God, my by and large Protestant days in Vienna were never like that, except ... I kept Saturday as the Sabbath and boycotted Christmas, celebrating Sukkot as the real birth of Our Lord.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Dwelt - also "took dwelling" or "took tabernacle" ... what Jewish feast would you chose, if you rejected Christmas? Some are now going for Easter, or for the season when lambs are born to be slaughtered at Easter. With us, it was Sukkot.

9:14 I never accepted that kind of thing.

Whether Novus Ordo is, or isn't, whether Diocese of Paris (since 1920 or 1947) is or isn't, Catholicism as a whole, clearly isn't that, and I venerated the other Tabernacles too, the ones you find in Catholic Churches and not Jewish calendars.

I actually started to take my distance from Luther over finding in his letter to Bohemians (Hussites) that he initiated that kind of thing you find in 7DA about Catholicism.

12:49 Red Jesus with horns or Catholics afterwards telling him the Bible isn't true sounds like other untruths from him.

15:19 Ryan Foley can obviously take down his own video on TikTok.

I'm not sure of US law, but according to French law, Ryan Foley would have the right to demand you take down this video, if and when he takes down his own, because it shows him in a light he doesn't want to be in.

When people I've responded to on blog posts have taken down comments or videos, I have noted this.

On a blog post, I noted explicitly "so and so has taken down the video, so she should no longer be held to the views I am interacting with here" and if she had insisted, she might have obliged me to take the post down.

I'm happy she didn't, bc I enjoyed my answer, but then again, I was not as dismissive of her as you are of Mr. Foley.

17:03 "that Protestants really tend to get aggravated with Catholics about"

Not me back when I was Protestant, me and ma used to pray Our Father three times a day, basically like later on Angelus.

And please note, I was that kind of Protestant as opposed to Lutheran, Catholicising Lutheran, Catholic, only up to c. 15.

Never had any beef against formal prayers, started praying Our Father a year before I gave my life to Jesus (c. 9 vs c. 10).

My problem with praying the Rosary right now is, it contains "Our Father" and my problem with saying "Our Father" is "sicut et nos dimittimus" - I do have a hard time forgiving Catholics who pretend I'm still Protestant, just because I reject Evolution and Deep Time, and Deep Space too!

Or Protestants who think I should get off Catholicism or get off even small doses of alcohol, or at least have such balanced by big doses of food. I did get big doses of food yesterday at only one small Tsing Tao, and as a result, apart from bad results about chastity, I am finding my eyes dim hours after I woke.

19:01 From the feed.

Patrick C Schizophrenic people sometimes believe they are in the movies they watch and books they read. Thank God he didnt think he was Jesus in the temple with the money changers.


Is Patrick C a "Catholic"? If he accepts psychiatry and diagnoses like "schizophrenia" he may be part of what Apocalypse 18 talks about. That's not traditionally the Catholic position.

When I tried to find the date for "Assisi II" alias Sant'Egidio during the Balkan war, the Catholic paper I came across also said Antipope Wojtyla (obviously not calling him so) was making some kind of deal with psychiatry. Or some kind of reconciliation. Up to the 90's, lots of Communist political psychiatry, and similar, had been roughly condemned by the Church as scientific fraud and as real persecution, of opposition, and of Christians.

Opponents (whether Christian or nationalist or both) under a totalitarian régime often do find themselves in a drastic and dramatic setting reminiscent of spy thrillers. Reacting like that, or reacting like one is the hero who did traffic regulation for tanks in Moscow after similar things in Beijing had massacred people in Tian An Men in 1989.

Rushing into a Catholic pulpit to "preach to Catholics" is an act of daring that Book of Martyrs (updated online version, not original edition by Fox, but one involving Colas case in Voltaire's time) attributes to a relative of William Penn. We can be glad Foley didn't try to preach against the Real Presence, as that guy did.

Or supposedly did. The episode may be apocryphal, it was an Englishman visiting Spain. Btw, I am not sure if that or someone else was the relative of William Penn, I think the latter.

21:04 The popularity of "dad" may actually come from hyperliteralism on this one.

Ah, He said "father" and He didn't say anything about "dad" - they would probably go.

By the way, rejecting hyperliteralism is actually not a reason to reduce what Jesus said to zero.

So what exactly was He forbidding?

Getting a mentor for earthly affairs.

Or at least honouring the mentor more than God and God's representatives.

A certain parish, supposed to be "Catholic" was, a few years or so ago, offering me, as a solution to my homelessness, to get room mates with an older man, probably under the hope he would function as mentor to me.

Btw, I have access to the Haydock comment, so, here we go:

Ver. 9-10. Call none your father ... Neither be ye called masters, &c. The meaning is, that our Father in heaven is incomparably more to be regarded, than any father upon earth: and no master is to be followed, who would lead us away from Christ. But this does not hinder but that we are by the law of God to have a due respect both for our parents and spiritual fathers, (1 Corinthians iv. 15,) and for our masters and teachers. (Challoner)

This name was a title of dignity: the presidents of the assembly of twenty-three judges where so called; the second judge of the sanhedrim, &c. (Bible de Vence)

Nothing is here forbidden but the contentious divisions, and self-assumed authority, of such as make themselves leaders and favourers of schisms and sects; as Donatus, Arius, Luther, Calvin, and innumerable others of very modern date. But by no means the title of father, attributed by the faith, piety, and confidence of good people, to their directors; for, St. Paul tells the Corinthians, that he is their only spiritual Father: If you have 10,000 instructors in Christ, yet not many Fathers. (1 Corinthians iv. 15.)


So , at a minimum, I need to not accept a mentor who would go against my Catholic conscience.

25:22 A common understanding is, this refers to forbidding all marriage, like Gnostics, Marcionites and Albigensians do.

However, if one can understand it as forbidden some to marry, well, there are Catholics who consider homosexuals should not marry.

Note, I am not complaining about banning "gay marriage" - that's not marriage. I am talking of the thing homosexuality makes one less prone to.

There are also people who would forbid people of dubious genes to procreate, which Pope Pius XI condemned in Casti Connubii.

Obviously, obeying a one child policy or a two child policy as in China or India (at least recently) is not living out one's marriage, so that too. And in those cases, it would in fact be forbidding all married people to properly live their marriage.

27:32 Two problems with your interpretation here.

1) If we are in or close to Last days, we don't find Gnostics, so that's not what it's referring to.

2) The more natural reading is not "forbid marriage and [enjoin] abstinence from meats" but "forbid marriage and [forbid] abstinence from meats"

What does that do to someone, if he can neither have licit sex nor bolster his chastity by fasting?

Well, it either makes him unchaste or irritable, or both. Either condition or both of them, can be used to observe someone in situations that make it likelier he can be effectively barred from marriage on so to speak psychiatric grounds.

The interpreters who spoke of Gnostics simply had not seen this one coming.

Yes, the verb can mean both forbid and enjoin, but using it in two opposed senses in the same sentence, with just different infinitives and the word itself occurring only once is a bit strained.

27:43 Fasting is also to be received with thanksgiving.

It is also a system of acts created by God.

Monday, June 5, 2023

Calvinism, Big No


Testify, alias Erik Manning, as an Anglican, has one big fault in not condemning Calvinism, but otherwise his non-Calvinist reading of Romans 9 is excellent stuff:

Confronting Calvinism Led Her To Atheism
Testify, 4 June 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qXcJyg7kNI


My comments are two, first at 3:02, I give the Catholic answer - not mine, but Challoners and Witham's and Haydock's - to the Calvinist misreading of Romans 9. Then, at 10:41, I object to Erik Manning saying Calvinism or not Calvinism is not salvation essential. My answer is, by now it is, because the Church has defined we must reject Calvinism.

3:02 As Catholicism has condemned Calvinism, it is perhaps not surprising that Catholics commented on Romans 9.

This involves bishop Challoner.

After the textblock 16 - 20 we get this inserted comment section.

[16] "Not of him that willeth": That is, by any power or strength of his own, abstracting from the grace of God.

[17] "To this purpose": Not that God made him on purpose that he should sin, and so be damned; but foreseeing his obstinacy in sin, and the abuse of his own free will, he raised him up to be a mighty king, to make a more remarkable example of him: and that his power might be better known, and his justice in punishing him, published throughout the earth.

[18] "He hardeneth": Not by being the cause or author of his sin, but by withholding his grace, and so leaving him in his sin, in punishment of his past demerits.

Douay Rheims is basically available in two packages.

1) With Challoners inserted comments
2) With Haydock's facing comments.

Here is the fuller Haydock comment, citing obviously Challoner:

Ver. 15-16. I will have mercy, &c. Then it is not of him that willeth, &c. By these words he again teaches that God's call and predestination of those whom he has decreed to save, is not upon account of any works or merits in men, but only to be attributed to the mercy and goodness of God. See St. Thomas Aquinas on this chap. lect. iii. See St. Augustine, Encher. chap. xcviii. Epis. 194. in the new Ed. Ep. 105. ad Sixtum de lib. Arbit. chap. xxv. &c. (Witham)

Ver. 17. For the Scripture saith to Pharao, &c. St. Paul had shewn that there was no injustice in God by his giving special graces to the elect; now he shews that God cannot be accounted unjust for leaving the reprobate in their sins, or for punishing them as they deserve; for this purpose he brings the example of Pharao, who remained hardened against all the admonitions and chastisements of him and his kingdom. --- Have I raised thee up, placed thee king over Egypt; I have done so many miracles before thee, I have spared thee when thou deservedst to be punished with death, and at last shall punish thee with thy army in the Red Sea, that my name may be known over all the earth. (Witham)

Ver. 18. And whom he will, he hardeneth.[3] That is, permits to be hardened by their own malice, as it is divers times said in Exodus, that Pharao hardened his heart. God, says St. Augustine, is said to harden men's hearts, not by causing their malice, but by not giving them the free gift of his grace, by which they become hardened by their own perverse will. (Witham) --- Not by being the cause, or author of his sin, but by withholding his grace, and so leaving him in his sin, in punishment of his past demerits. (Challoner)

Ver. 19. &c. Thou wilt say, therefore, to me, &c. The apostle makes objection, that if God call some, and harden, or even permit others to be hardened, and no one resisteth, or can hinder his absolute will, why should God complain that men are not converted? St. Paul first puts such rash and profane men in mind, that is unreasonable and impertinent for creatures to murmur and dispute against God their Creator, when they do not comprehend the ways of his providence. --- O man, [4] who art thou that repliest against God? This might stop the mouths, and quiet the minds of every man, when he cannot comprehend the mysteries of predestination, of God's foreknowledge, his decrees and graces, or the manner of reconciling them with human liberty. He may cry out with St. Paul again, (chap. xi. 33.) O the riches of the wisdom, and of the knowledge of God! how incomprehensible are his judgments, and how unsearchable his ways! --- Shall the thing formed, &c. Hath not the potter power, &c.[5] To teach men that they ought not to complain against God and his providence, when they cannot comprehend his works, he puts them in mind of their origin. Every one may say to God, with the prophet Isaias, (vi. 48.) Lord, thou art our Father, and we are but clay; thou art our Maker who framed us, and we are all of us the work of thy hands. Hath not the potter power as he pleaseth, out of the same lump of clay to make some vessels for honourable uses, and some for less honourable. St. Chrysostom observes very well, that this comparison must not be extended further than the apostle designed; which was to teach us, how submissive we ought to be to God, in what we do not understand; but we must not pretend from hence, nor from any expression in this chapter, as divers heretics have done, that as vessels of clay are destitute of free will and liberty, so are men. This is against the doctrine of the Catholic Church, and against the Scriptures, in many places. (Witham) --- The potter. This similitude is used, only to shew that we are not to dispute with our Maker: nor to reason with him why he does not give as much grace to one as to another: for since the whole lump of our clay is vitiated by sin, it is owing to his goodness and mercy that he makes out of it so many vessels of honour; and it is no more than just that others, in punishment of their unrepented sins, should be given up to be vessels of dishonour. (Challoner)

10:41 As a Catholic, I can only say by now that rejecting Calvinism has long since been a high stake concern.

Trent. Session VI.(1)
Canon 4. If anyone says that man's free will moved and aroused by God, by assenting to God's call and action, in no way cooperates toward disposing and preparing itself to obtain the grace of justification, that it cannot refuse its assent if it wishes, but that, as something inanimate, it does nothing whatever and is merely passive, let him be anathema.

Canon 6. If anyone says that it is not in man's power to make his ways evil, but that the works that are evil as well as those that are good God produces, not permissively only but also propria et per se, so that the treason of Judas is no less His own proper work than the vocation of St. Paul, let him be anathema.

For that matter, since c. 700 years earlier.(2)

Karolus inde (de Soissons) ad Carisiacum (Quierzy) veniens cum quibusdam episcopis et abbatibus monasticis quattuor capitula edidit et propria subscriptione roboravit. Quorum primum est : a Deo neminem prædestinatum ad pœnam, unamque Dei esse prædestinationem, quæ ad donum pertinet gratiæ aut ad retributionem justitiæ. Secundum : liberum arbitrium, quod in primo ordine perdidimus, nobis præveniente et adjuvante Christi gratia redditum. Tertium : velle Deum generaliter omnes homines salvos fieri, licet non omnes salventur. Quartum : Christi sanguinem pro omnibus fusum, licet non omnes passionis mysterio redimantur. Annales Bertiniani, an. 853, P. L., t. CXV, col. 1408.

Adonis Jackson
Grace and Peace to you. Would you like to join our theology group chat on a different platform for further discussion?

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@Adonis Jackson I don't do chats.

I'd be happy to have a discussion via email, like my three initials + at sign + dr + dot + com.

If you want per group, send a multi-adressee email to myself and to some others, not too many, please!


Notes:

(1) COUNCIL OF TRENT SIXTH SESSION
celebrated on the thirteenth day of January, 1547
DECREE CONCERNING JUSTIFICATION
https://www.k-state.edu/english/baker/english233/Council_of_Trent6.htm


(2) Article du Dictionnaire de Théologie Catholique
PREDESTINATION
http://jesusmarie.free.fr/DTC_predestination.html

Saturday, June 3, 2023

Praying at a Mosque? No.


Dr Marshall Confronts Modernist Priest
Dr Taylor Marshall, 3 June 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bGPqSYulEI


4:40 Actually, I have heard the version the Sultan who didn't kill St. Francis thought he was mad, and their religion orders them to protect madmen.

Think of this if you ever hear anyone saying I am mad, he may have got that from Muslims.

And if you hear it from a priest, think of the one who was going to pray at the Mosque!

First Half of a Video on the Shroud, with Polite and Less Polite Comments


Video, first half of which is now, over more than one session, watched:

New Evidence for the Shroud of Turin w/ Fr. Andrew Dalton
Pints With Aquinas, 6 Jan. 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAbuG-oVq1Q


Own comments, all of which are, I hope, polite:

31:32 No, faith and reason are not two different things that complement each other.

Faith and infidelity (negative or privative) are two opposed qualities that reason can have.

40:14 It's not 12 protons, it's 6 protons and 6 neutrons.
Carbon 14 has 6 protons and 8 neutrons, so extra neutrons.

The Cambridge halflife is 5730 years.

Time implications according to that halflife have ontological differences - what is due to the actual time since the sample ceased breathing in carbon dioxide (if a plant) or consuming carbon (from plants or from meat having consumed plants)? What is due to the original carbon content having another carbon 14 level than 100 pmC?

The first of these, as the overall time implication of what could be called "raw carbon date" is purely mathematical. You know what the square root of a half is? 70.7 %. A sample starting out with 100 pmC will reach 70.7 pmC in what time? What time section corresponds to a square root in the percentage? Half a halflife. 5730 / 2 = 2865 years.

The second is empirical, and for generalities over a period from which we have samples is called calibration.

I accept calibrations offered by scientists for the last 3000 years, but before Troy and back to the Flood, I do my own.

40:25 No, not 5370, but 5730 years.

42:33 How precise?
2000 years -> 78.511 pmC
78.511 pmC -> 2000 +/- 10

This is taken from the Carbon 14 calculator, which ignores calibrations.

46:11 Can Sir Arthur have reused the same line more than once?

1:17:20 "It's not the same as peer reviewed scientific articles"

O ... K ....

I was at a Greek Institution in Lund. Latin and Antiquities too, I had already done most of Latin and have kept that up better since.

B U T - a Jewish sth (forget which organisation) was donating a fairly expensive CD-ROM with all of Migne or at least of all of Patrologia Graeca in Migne to the institution.

Just at that time, the Greek professor started giving hints that "parthenos" does not always mean Virgin.

Theotoke Parthene, Khaire!

It means Virgin. That it had latitude beyond the primary meaning doesn't prove the opposite.

Less (?) drastic example, if you like.

Look at how many Institutions get funded by Carnegie.

Then look up the outlook of Carnegie.

Now, ask yourself once again, is Carnegie possibly in part responsible for Darwinism getting the upper hand at institutions?

I mean both the original philanthropist and his fund or foundation which is still around.

1:24:35 The VP-8 is what I recall most from a programme I saw in Austria in 1978 or so.

1:25:53 This was noted by Chesterton in The Everlasting Man.

They took the body down from the cross and one of the few rich men among the first Christians obtained permission to bury it in a rock tomb in his garden; the Romans setting a military guard lest there should be some riot and attempt to recover the body. There was once more a natural symbolism in these natural proceedings; it was well that the tomb should be sealed with all the secrecy of ancient eastern sepulture and guarded by the authority of the Caesars. For in that second cavern the whole of that great and glorious humanity which we call antiquity was gathered up and covered over; and in that place it was buried. It was the end of a very great thing called human history; the history that was merely human. The mythologies and the philosophies were buried there, the gods and the heroes and the sages. In the great Roman phrase, they had lived. But as they could only live, so they could only die; and they were dead.

On the third day the friends of Christ coming at daybreak to the place found the grave empty and the stone rolled away. In varying ways they realised the new wonder; but even they hardly realised that the world had died in the night. What they were looking at was the first day of a new creation, with a new heaven and a new earth; and in a semblance of the gardener God walked again in the garden, in the cool not of the evening but the dawn.


Debate:

Mel Carter
This CANNOT be the grave cloth of Christ and the Bible tells us so.
There was more than one item of grave clothing and Christ’s head was wrapped in a separate piece of cloth than that of His body.
John 20:3-7 KJVS
[3] Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre. [4] So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre. [5] And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in. [6] Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, [7] And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
I believe the word of God.
These relics have become idols. It is said that there are enough supposed splinters of the cross in circulation to build the Ark.

Beverly Hurd
You sound quite ill informed. As many millions of us know, the facecloth that covered Jesus' head is in Spain where it has been for the last 1200 or more years. It is known as the Sudarium of Oviedo.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
"there are enough supposed splinters of the cross in circulation to build the Ark."

Calvin, the infidel, made such a comment, I think.

A French Antiquarian catalogued all the known splinter relics, being careful to not include the volume of the caskets in the addition, and his result was c. 1/5 or the probable original volume of the Cross. Unlike Calvin, he remained in the Church that Christ founded.

Beverly Hurd
@Mel Carter What does that have to do with the Shroud of Turin?

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@Mel Carter Yeah, nothing that says that the napkin was not under a sindone.

Again, what is your point in citing Scriptures that you don't understand correctly?

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@Beverly Hurd He probably imagines a gravecloth ending at the neck, leaving it naked, and a napkin separately covering the head, that's not what it says, but ...

@Beverly Hurd If you meant my comment, I was satisfied with your answer on the sindone, but you left his attack on the cross relic unanswered.


Other debate:

Timothy J
The major objection wasn't covered. The image on the cloth is a man with of height over 5'10". They say people in Palestine around 30 AD had an average height of 5'3". I would love to see that addressed.

And for those who say they are Christ followers, no human or institution can condemn you to hell or allow you into Heaven. That is God's power alone. If anyone tries to convince you otherwise they are teaching a doctrine of demons.

The Loner
Here you go. Search for: man on shroud apollonius of tyana

Hans-Georg Lundahl
Average means there are the ones above and below the value, what was your point?

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@The Loner "man on shroud apollonius of tyana"

The major theological objection first. This does not explain why the Church honours Jesus and not Apollonius.

Second, the book was written by one Robert Traylor Russell who took the name Rob Solarion and also wrote a book called Osiris, Isis and Planet X, and who died in 2010.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
"no human or institution can condemn you to hell or allow you into Heaven."

In some sense, yes. Unless you want to call Christ Himself a demon. He told Peter he was getting the keys to the kingdom of Heaven and on Easter Day in the Evening, He told the 10 disciples (minus Judas who had betrayed, and minus Thomas who simply wasn't there that night and turned up later) these words:

Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.

Before you reply that was just those guys, no one else after them, watch this:

And the eleven disciples went into Galilee, unto the mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And seeing him they adored: but some doubted. And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.


As "doctrines of demons" were mentioned:

-=NFlight=- Entertainment
Yeah... this guy is full of it. And he sounds gay. a gay priest?

Beverly Hurd
Wishful thinking on your part?

-=NFlight=- Entertainment
@Beverly Hurd Of course! Its the catholic way!

Lynn
There's a name for people like you and it's called 'Scoffer'!!

Hans-Georg Lundahl
This so reminds me why people stamped as gay should not be barred from marriage.

People with your doctrine of the demon from Delphi, your doctrine of a Pythonic spirit, are all too prone to stamp people as gay.

-=NFlight=- Entertainment
@Hans-Georg Lundahl Do you realize everything you just typed is false?

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@-=NFlight=- Entertainment So, I said, "people stamped as gay should not be barred from marriage" and you called that (among other things) false, i e you think people who for some reason are stamped as gay should be barred from marriage.

I said marriage and not "gay marriage" so I am referring to marriage by the criteria of Mark 10:6.

You think people stamped as gay should be prevented from that?

Well, the exact one item in the NT where "doctrines of devils" is mentioned, is 1 Tim 4, and in context this includes barring people from marriage.

So, no, I don't think I am exaggerating when I consider your take as doctrines of devils.

Especially as you are prone to stamp people as gay (like Fr Dalton) with no evidence except your gaydar, which is about as good evidence as the word of the Pythia in Delphi.


One more:

Alan Hembra
Shroud of Turin is fake. Catholic Church is the biggest criminal cartel in the world. I bet it will be surprising to see all those pops burning in hell.

Beverly Hurd
Man! Does morbid stupidity run in your family? I bet it does! Get help soon! Wow. Wow wow wow wow.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@Beverly Hurd I think you are at odds with Pope Pius XI Casti Connubii, which condemned Eugenics ...

If psychiatry is a criminal cartel, what would you call some very recent Catholics who cooperate with it?

Thursday, June 1, 2023

Ordering of The Commandments or Ten Words


Did Catholics Change the Ten Commandments?
Reason & Theology, 31.V.2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59Afsw7W_Bg


2:40 You are, as former Eastern Orthodox, aware that St. John Chrysostom had and the Orthodox Church, for instance in the Catechism of Philaret of Moscow, has, the same division as he has?

That this "II commandment" is why, apart from Crosses and Crucifixes, the Orthodox only have flat painted icons?

Part of my reversion story was seeing the 12 apostles in a mezzo-rilievo or altorilievo on an early Christian (persecution era) coffin. In Arles, which actually has Christian archaeology from the era, unless it was Nîmes.*

6:52 In fact, Luther, following Exodus 20, took coveting the neighbours house (household) as 9.**

Coveting paternity over someone else's household is a power grab, while lechery and greed are both simple private selfishness.

Not usually a fan of Luther, as ex-Lutheran, but he may have had a point.

7:21 Yeah, exactly, St. Augustine enumerated so that "graven images" are only subsumed under strange gods. St. John Chrysostom, however, didn't.

Again, Jews do, since the first "word" ends in "who brought thee out from Egypt"***

NOTES

* To back up my claim about Orthodox ordering, let's consult my side by side for Trentine Catechism with Philaret's Catechism.

Philaret : I & II = Trent I
https://trentophilaret.blogspot.com/2009/05/on-first-commandment.html


Don't take the word of my post title, look up the exact text in two columns. The left column is Philaret of Moscow, and § 516 starts under the heading

On the Second Commandment.
516. What is a graven image, as spoken of in the second commandment? ...


Meanwhile, the right column, Trentine Catechism, just continues on the same commandment, while the subject changes to images.



Sources:

The Longer Catechism of The Orthodox, Catholic, Eastern Church
http://www.pravoslavieto.com/docs/eng/Orthodox_Catechism_of_Philaret.htm


Tridentine Catechism of the Holy Catholic Church
https://www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong/TridentineCatechism.htm


** See this image:



The Ten Commandments
https://catechism.cph.org/en/10-commandments.html


*** 7 Secrets of The Hebrew Ten Commandments
magnify, 9 April 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi5GXwY7W_0