Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: 2025

Friday, April 4, 2025

A Video on St. Patrick, an Observation on the Demons he Drove out

Φιλολoγικά/Philologica: Black Magic in Shimao and Ur · More Like the Same? · What About the Opposite? · Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Gospel against Cannibalism and Accusation thereof. · A Video on St. Patrick, an Observation on the Demons he Drove out

The Fierce Courage of St. Patrick | FORWARD BOLDLY
Christine Niles | 17.III.2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx7o5-cSw-I

9:20 Have you heard of Fontbrégoua Cave in S. France?

If not, you may have heard of Herxheim. Now, Herxheim, Fontbrégoua, El Toro were three very similar places of Cannibalism in the Neolithic. In Fontbrégoua, archaeologists have said, they are not quite sure. It could be secondary burials.

I don't believe secondary burials involve cracking open bones to extract the marrow ... unless the burial ritual involves, you know, Cannibalism.

Now, I sometimes in bored moments will do stuff that involves some calculation. For instance, 48° 51′ 23″ N, 2° 21′ 08″ E is the Town Hall of Paris. If I add 90 degrees to the East, I get obviously 48° 51′ 23″ N, 92° 21′ 08″ E ... and I want to know where that is. I change the coordinate on GeoHack ... and I came near sth that could be a river or sth, with the text Myangad Naranbulag. It's in Western Mongolia.

I did that for Herxheim, Fontbrégoua and El Toro too. Not just 90 degrees further East (or West for El Toro), the easist add, but also 90 degrees to the other direction of the compass and 180 degrees.

Unlike Marian shrines, these three have a common theme on two of the points, where they are not in the Pacific. Also common with the localities themselves. All of them are near borders. 1) Herxheim in Germany is near France. To the East you get Mongolia very near Russia. To the West you get a place in Canada, South of Hudson Bay, near the border of Quebec, which once was an actual border, when Quebec was a French possession. Obviously, the area between Hudson Bay and Toronto is also a place where any part is closer to the current US border than the middle line of Canada would normally be. 2) Fontbrégoua is in France, near Monaco and Italy. The other two are in Mongolia, near the border of China, and in the US, near the border of Canada. 3) El Toro is in Spain, near Gibraltar and Morocco. To the West, you have a place in Missouri, near the four junction of states, near former France (Missouri) and former Cherokee territory.

Whether God chose to comment on where the demons inspired their evil, or whether the demons chose the spots because God had revealed the places would be near borders and the cross-points too ... the common theme is there.

For Shimao and Ur, servants were sacrificed in graves of lords. For both, the crosspoints land in the water, not just the Pacific one.

For Carthage, it was a battle field itself, and the crosspoints except the Pacific one are near battles (Lexington in the US, Battle of Dafei River, where Tibet conquered Tuyuhun in modern Qinghai.

For Gehenna, you have these cross points:

31°46′11″N 125°13′36″E
Offshore between China, Korea and Japan

31°46′11″N 54°46′24″W
Offshore between Canada, US, Brazil

31°46′11″N 144°46′24″W
Pacific, between California and Honolulu

For Tyre you have these ones:

33°16′15″N 125°11′46″E
Offshore near Korea

33°16′15″N 54°48'14"W
Offshore East of Bermuda

33°16′15″N 144°48'14"W
Pacific, West of California, NE of Honolulu

For the earliest known human sacrifice of the Neolithic you also have the offshore theme.

There is no way that the men who committed the atrocities had any knowledge this would be the case naturally. So, someone else, not human, certainly knew. I guess demons, and as to foreknowledge of battles and frontiers, God could have given them that.

Meanwhile, Rue de Bac, La Salette, Lourdes, Fátima, Šiluva, none of the spooky "themes" on cross points, for Rue de Bac rather a calm theme, solidly inside countries, the supernatural is in the Marian apparitions and graces thereafter themselves.

Thursday, April 3, 2025

Judicial Overreach ... Sharing a Story

It's fictional, as per the disclaimer, but it typefies a certain type of behaviour:

Judge Fines Pam Bondi for Wearing a Cross—Then Uncovers Her Legal Brilliance
Elite Stories | 18 March 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX5ICKMErh8

It's even easier when people have to do with rubber rules than in a courtroom of normal proceedings (judges on liberties are not normal)./HGL

Wednesday, April 2, 2025

While I Have Touched on Theology, More Than A Little, I Have Not Proclaimed Myself a Theologian

For all the Self-proclaimed theologians.
The Catholic Wire | 9 Febr. 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9AdQRqB2JM

6:39 Who introduced psychology into seminars?

9:17 I have seen a commentary by Lapide, which, for Creation week day IV, introduces a discussion from the 19th C.

Haydock is a commentary for laymen, and we know he writes in the 19th C. Some whom he cites wrote in the patristic or scholastic era, but the only trace of Heliocentric compatibility that I have seen (and by compatibility, I mean not considering Heliocentrism condemned by a passage) are from Haydock, on Joshua 10, and from Guillaume François Berthier, SJ, whose work on the Psalms was published posthumousy in 1782. None of the commenters, not even Haydock or Berthier, show a Heliocentric preference.

Pope Michael I was an outspoken Geocentric, as you may know. His successor has not retracted that.

So, supposing I'm not wrong to take the election as validly by the virtue of epikeia transferring the task of electing a pope downward, I know I have the backing of the latest Pope who pronounced himself.

9:42 Deo gratias, si uolo studere Postillae in Libros Geneseos uel Condempnationibus Episcopi Parisiensis Stephani II Tempier et sine versione anglica id possum.

Refutaui quendam "Balaster Convalier" qui scripsit Sanctum Robertum dixisse, "si papa dixerit quid contra ueritatem uel moralem, ecclesia est obligata credere falsa uel mala", quia semel una bibliotheca Dominicanorum inueni Robertum Bellarminum et uidi eum reuera dixisse "si papa dixerit etc, ecclesia esset obligata etc" in casu irreali.

Eo tempore aliqui Photiani incoeperunt me pro catamitam ponere et in tergo quasi mihi, quasi non mihi dicere dimidiam accusationis.

In facultate Lundensi latinae et graecae linguis studium feci ... et pro latina, nunquam nimiam aerugam patiebatur.

[tried to add:]

numquam nimia aerugine patiebatur, my bad

10:44 I am very aware that a certain man in Manresa was told by the Inquisitors, he was not allowed to continue giving women advice on the difference between venial and mortal without studying moral theology. I hope the man was from Heaven not too pround of Berthier, but regardless of when corruption came into his order, I am, when touching on theology, which is not always the case when I write, abstaining very consciously from giving that kind of advice.

Nevertheless, Gilbert Keith Chesterton did not have the full training of a priest in seminary when he wrote The Everlasting Man, which is part of what Pius XI rewarded him for.

I try to give comment in the Apologetic field mainly, when at all theological. When political, I tend to take cues from Franco, Dollfuss, Schuschnigg ... and Chesterton. Not forgetting his comrade Belloc. When engaged in comments on the MIddle Ages of Latin Christendom, I take as part base the things I learned from C. S. Lewis, J. R. R. Tolkien, G. K. Chesterton, Hilaire Belloc, plus some extra tidbits that have been dug up later, like it was probably some kind of Eurocommunist who wrote the book I read in Swedish "den dynamiska medeltiden" where I learned about Nicole d'Oresme ... the man who said, "Heliocentrism is, against every objection, a) possible, and b) totally pointless" ... (yes, the author was Swedish, the book is from 1984).

I also use statistics taken from wikipedian articles arranged inter alia by genealogy (for Lewis XVI and Marie Antoinette, I take each as Sosa-Stradonitz 1 and go back to Sosa-Stradonitz 63 or 127 or so ...). Or facts I find in contemporary historians of the Middle Ages.

But, as said, I respect what the Inquisitors told St. Ignatius of Loyola. Unless the issue is very obvious, like getting slightly tipsy just before you go to bed is not a mortal sin.

There have been 24 years since I came on the internet, my plan to get a better life has always been to get texts from my blogs (essays, with permission from other participants even dialogues, some poems, some sheet music) commercially valorised. You know, at least part of the occupation that Chesterton made his living from. In this query, I have been harrassed from the left, by Protestants who think I really must come to terms with Apologetics not really proving things, "reasons without proof" as someone put it, as well as Christian virtue being impossible, and from a kind of right who, incorrectly, have perceived me as some kind of rival to priests.

I have been under some kind of pastoral at a distance from trad priests who have taken the idea, on my blogs "he doesn't really need the money, it's not like we rob him, he's not interested in getting married" and on any show I am making of trying to get married "oh, he can't responsibly marry, he has no income" ... I would consider those who take this approach as robbers.

An explanation of Sedevacantism - Is the SSPX correct?
The Catholic Wire | 11 Jan. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvpbzcwJW0o

[under this one, I posed the question where he stood on Pope Michael II
... deleted or hidden]

Tuesday, April 1, 2025

Does Anti-White Racism Exist? Yes

YouTuber Alec Gunter Called Me a N4zi, F4scist, YT Supremacist, Racist. My Counter Attack
Metatron | 31 March 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIAnSygfZdo

I'm a bit affected by this kind of thing.

I came out in defense of Kyle Rittenhouse.

Φιλολoγικά/Philologica: A Thread As Allie Denounced Disney +
https://filolohika.blogspot.com/2023/02/a-thread-as-allie-denounced-disney.html

It came up again in 2023:

Φιλολoγικά/Philologica: A Thread As Allie Denounced Disney +
https://filolohika.blogspot.com/2023/02/a-thread-as-allie-denounced-disney.html

Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Allie's Video, Outside the Thread with J R
https://assortedretorts.blogspot.com/2023/02/allies-video-outside-thread-with-j-r.html

I live in the street, I have to this day people of coulour passing by with noise when I try to sleep, in some cases very clearly deliberately, because they perceive me as a racist.

[tried to add:]

Sorry, first link should be:

Φιλολoγικά/Philologica: "This takes us back to enslavement" a Black woman said ...
https://filolohika.blogspot.com/2021/11/this-takes-us-back-to-enslavement-black.html

Monday, March 31, 2025

Galileo Case

What Galileo Means For Atheists, Catholics, and Protestants in 2025
Gavin Ortlund | 31 March 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS4rjpaZKmA

How do you feel about the idea that the best proof text for Geocentrism is Romans 1?

You know, there are Catholics and even Protestants who haven't abandoned the historic reluctance for the position of Galileo.

I think Pope Michael I on occasion cited Gerardus Dingeman Bouw. Doctor in Astrophysics.

2:16 You are levying a heavy accusation against Pope Urban VIII.

He did not sit in judgement over Galileo. Among the assessors, one other Barberini, a relative of the Pope, did not vote.

If he was annoyed, he went to some length to assure the annoyance would not play into the judgement.

10:38 I think this is the second or third if probably not fourth time you call Galileo's attitude prior to 1633 "Augustinian" ... is your criterium for that the very overquoted "it sometimes happens" passage?

Because if you read book I of De Genesi ad Litteram libri XII, St. Augustine actually comes out very directly as a Geocentric.

7:30 Antipope Wojtyla was not just feeling sorry for how Galileo was treated, he also expressed, erroneously, that he was right.

19:50 For once, Luther is spot on.*

The result, chapter 10, verse 13, is given in narrative and could be phenomenological language.

But the immediate miraculous cause, Joshua's words after the prayer to God, we don't expect phenomenological language in the words working a miracle. We don't expect a miracle worker to say the words that someone else expect's them to say to adress what is involved in the result, but we expect them to say the words that are in fact things involved in the result. If Jesus tells a demon "go out of him" or "go out of her" we don't expect this to be a roundabout adress to a mental disease that's intrapersonal, we expect that another person, created thousands of years earlier, was interfering with the person (from the inside) and told to get out.

19:50 For once, Luther is spot on.

The result, chapter 10, verse 13, is given in narrative and could be phenomenological language.

But the immediate miraculous cause, Joshua's words after the prayer to God, we don't expect phenomenological language in the words working a miracle. We don't expect a miracle worker to say the words that someone else expect's them to say to adress what is involved in the result, but we expect them to say the words that are in fact things involved in the result. If Jesus tells a demon "go out of him" or "go out of her" we don't expect this to be a roundabout adress to a mental disease that's intrapersonal, we expect that another person, created thousands of years earlier, was interfering with the person (from the inside) and told to get out.

21:41 John Owen is actually doing Heliocentrism too much honour in pretending it "built on fallible phenomena" ... no, the phenomena Galileo observed were good, but Heliocentrism was not built on them. And Ptolemaic astronomy is not privileged over Tychonian in Scripture.

John Owen and John Calvin examplify two of the things I mistrust and at times (when too exposed) detest in some Protestants:

granting the erring scientist that the phenomena support him, like a certain type of Creationist very far from Creation Science who would pretend that Dino bones if real would be a point in favour of Deep Time and Evolution, so they must be false;
or pretending mad, demon possessed and monstruous someone disagreeing with them, like it seems some Protestants do about my relative support for the Inquisition (while it lasted) and my support for Inquisitors being right and Galileo being wrong.

23:23 Would you mind going a bit further?

Put yourself in their mindset, imagine one of them transported to the present and confronted with all the arguments of modern scientific establishment, BUT not having received this from childhood at home PLUS several times over in school.

What in the modern arguments would persuade them?

I have basically "St. Thomas looking over my shoulder" as I peruse the modern arguments. To me it's clear, if the Medieval and Ancient arguments are given a fair hearing, nothing can persuade anyone short of an Atheist of Heliocentrism. Or some very impersonal type of Pantheist, like a Spinozist or Hegelian. Also no Christian.

In the Middle Ages, one Nicolas Oresme, who ended up as bishop in Lisieux, which you may imagine many Catholics would consider a Holy Place, bc of St. Thérèse Martin or Sister Thérèse of the Child Jesus and of the Holy Face, before that, as a scholastic in Paris, gave an argument about Heliocentrism.

a) everything in it is theoretically possible
b) but it is totally superfluous, Geocentrism works just fine.

23:52 Where do you get it from that Heliocentrism was genuine scientific advance (or has become so since)?

Is it just a postulate to make the Galileo case this "cautionary tale"?

24:58 Is Augustinianism short for this overquoted and quotemined quotable quote "it sometimes happens that ..."?

25:26 Tycho Brahe would interpret these verses exactly as a Medieval Ptolemaic would.

You are suggesting that Scripture could say things that go beyond the immediate context verbally and still not really mean them.

26:33 I'm reading Scripture in the context of the Church that made Oresme a bishop and Galileo a suspect.

26:50 To us Catholics that would primarily be Haydock.

The commentary explicitly compatible with Heliocentrism is late:

92:1 This does not prove that the earth moves not on its own axis daily, and round the sun every year. (Berthier)

95:10 The Christian faith shall not be abolished, (Menochius) or corrected. (Haydock) --- "Faith is not to be reformed." (Tertullian)

103:5 The established order shall subsist, though the earth may move, Psalm ci. 27. (Berthier) --- It is fixed by its own gravity in the centre. (Worthington)

Worthington took the position of St. Thomas and held Aristotelic Gravity.

W. F. Berthier wrote in 1782, sorry, was published in the year of his death, namely 1782:

Guillaume-François Berthier, S.J.

One metaphoric sense goes against reforming the faith with modernity changing the meaning.

* "However, as Holy Scripture tells us, so did Joshua bid the sun to stand still and not the earth."

Defending the 1990 Emergency Conclave

I am Not a Usurer · Celarent or Cesare? · Defending the 1990 Emergency Conclave

Traditional Catholic Groups Explained
DenshiVideo | 30 March 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbrt_UDi5EA

32:05 You are actually attributing to the late Pope Michael I a motive that cannot be totally verified.

Bawden wanted to see if a Pope could be elected.

Ask Theresa S. Benns if she believed and perhaps participated in David Bawden sending out invitations to lots of bishops. If he actually did, he hoped for someone else to become Pope.

If he didn't, but the other participants believed he did, they at least believed the "emergency conclave" was validly convoked. And it's those other five who elected him.

So, to the purposes of at least five people (the only ones who voted for him, he didn't vote for himself) he tried to get a Pope elected.

32:37 Thanks for noting Michael II exists and at least admitting he's a priest.

You could have done one better and also admit Michael I was ordinained priest and consecrated bishop the Gaudete weekend in 2011.

Ruin a Man's Life with False Evidence ....

The New Jerusalem Report 65-Taking responsibility
The New Jerusalem Report | 31 March 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex-tZKhamPA

6:32 I think some people have taken me for that bitter man in prison, and think they are angels when they are offering themselves as mentors.

The reality is, legally I got out of prison in 2000. People who think they are mentoring me are just prolonging the sentence illegally.

6:42 How do you expect someone to forgive if he's never allowed to have a life?

If every day is stolen by people who think they are teaching him forgiveness?

8:42 I'm providing myself with work and God is allowing me to write about things.

Some people think I need their service for the homeless "to raise me up" and so are against me living off my work.

The New Jerusalem Report
@TheNewJerusalemReport: A man's only freedom is inside himself.You get to choose what you want to believe.
Hans-Georg Lundahl
@hglundahl: @TheNewJerusalemReport There are actually external freedoms as well.

And St. Paul seems to encourage us to keep them.

"You are bought with a great price, don't become slaves to men"

11:23 At least for young Jewish inmates in the camps, I get the impression the Nazis wanted to mentor them.

It's certain that at least some Jews who were old or sick or handicapped were killed, the perpetrator was one of the 1945 suicides, but Hitler had ordered the same thing about Germans in the Aktion T4. I believe the actual deaths were also meant to scare Jewish youngsters inside into compliance. By faking death threats.

Tovia Singer Judges Monotheletism ...

How Many Jews Will Tovia Singer Convert to Christianity? · Tovia Singer Judges Monotheletism ...

... but he thinks he's judging Christianity.

Judaism vs. Christianity on the Messiah: Why We Differ -Rabbi Tovia Singer
Tovia Singer | 10 Sept. 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_SWAcZqTbE

From the side of the human will, He could theoretically have sinned, as Adam sinned, though previously innocent.

From the side of the divine will, and of their perfect union, He could not have sinned. A will that in itself was capable of falling, was gifted by the divine will, of the same person, with the gift of impeccability, like that of the blessed after the Resurrection.

He was in the earthly life "simul viator et comprehensor" i e He was simultaneously in the state of those who haven't died yet and of those who are Resurrected in Glory (starting with Him and His Mother). Concretely, therefore, He could not have sinned, but there was in Him sth which apart from this circumstance could have. Which therefore could experience the strain of the temptation.

Thanks for reminding me Monotheletism (the doctrine He only had one will) is a heresy.

5:51 Isaias 2, first four verses: 1 The word that Isaias the son of Amos saw, concerning Juda and Jerusalem. 2 And in the last days the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be prepared on the top of mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills, and all nations shall flow unto it. 3 And many people shall go, and say: Come and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob, and he will teach us his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall come forth from Sion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

Catholic comment:

[2] "The last days": The whole time of the new law, from the coming of Christ till the end of the world, is called in the scripture the last days; because no other age or time shall come after it, but only eternity.-- Ibid.

[2] "On the top of mountains": This shews the perpetual visibility of the church of Christ: for a mountain upon the top of mountains cannot be hid.

The Catholic Church actually began teaching in Jerusalem, in Acts chapter 2.

6:20 That war will come to an end as soon as the Messias comes does not follow from the prophecies you have cited.

Two things should not be conflated:

Judah and Ephraim will make no more wars against each other and will have no armies (fulfilled in the Palestinian Christians who descend from First Century Jews and Samaritans, and by the way, they have not made wars against either Mitsrahi Jews or non-Christian Samaritans).
God's word of peace will go out to the peoples.

It has. It has not abolished all war, but it has changed the way war is viewed. You may have noticed a certain Herzog and a certain Netanyahu arguing for total war, as if you were Joshua fighting Canaaneans. You may also have noticed quite a few Christian voices basically stating "we don't do total war, we don't kill civilians" ... well, that's the effect of God's word of peace going out to the nations 2000 years ago. Class relations have changed. Sex relations have changed. Age relations have changed. Slavery has been abolished in Christian country after Christian country (South of US and Brazil were the last ones, at least among Catholic and Protestant countries, Russian serfdom may not have been quite the same, I'm not totally sure of conditions in Ethiopia prior to Italy and to Communism). Women are seen as fully honourable, equal in honour if not all other rights to men. Children are not slaves of parents, disobedient children are not stoned or decapitated.

6:41 Indeed, the first Christians were Jews who repented.

6:52 St. Paul doesn't say no one can repent.

He says no one can make an initiative to repent independently of God. Big difference. When God saves, in precisely St. Paul, the ones saved as adults repent.

Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, Nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners, shall possess the kingdom of God. And such some of you were; but you are washed, but you are sanctified, but you are justified in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Spirit of our God

I e, the sinners whom Jesus saved were saved by repenting. I Cor. 6:9-11.

6:58 Here is the LXX text for Isaias 59:20

καὶ ἥξει ἕνεκεν Σιων ὁ ῥυόμενος καὶ ἀποστρέψει ἀσεβείας ἀπὸ Ιακωβ

The exact same wording is found in St. Paul's Greek in Romans 11, except there is no "kai" and "heneken" has been changed to "ek" ...

9:05 Jesus could as man fear God, while as God being God.

Again, no problem. He did the appropriate thing in both natures.

9:55 Again no contradiction. Eccl. 12:13

Let us all hear together the conclusion of the discourse. Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is all man:

Ah, wait, you translate "kal ha adam" as "all man's" and we as "all man" ...

But I think "kal" / "kol" can also be translated "the whole" ... now, "this is the whole man" ... what about the broken man who currently doesn't do that? He needs to become whole, which is where a Christian redeemer comes in. (I don't master Hebrew by the way, I consult the interlinear know what a status constructus is, guess "kal" is constructus for "kol" and consult 3605. kol for the range of meanings being All, every, whole, entire, total).

10:20 Obviously the "we" or "our sins" in Isaias 53 refers to the believers.

We don't say "Jesus died for our sins" is the only thing you have to believe.

The presence of the "we" obviously proves that the suffering servant is not the people of Israel.

10:41 No, freemasonry and some versions of Judaism (kabbalism, lots of mentorship going on) is that highly developed version of mystery religions.

11:24 No, as a Jew not believing in Jesus you are not a light to the nations. Jesus passed that office to those believing in Him:

You are the light of the world. A city seated on a mountain cannot be hid.
[Matthew 5:14]

The audience were Jews, they were not exclusively His disciples, the mountain was still Zion, but they were listening and believing. That is what Catholics do to this day. (Oh, not all of us, there are some bad Catholics too).

@ToviaSinger1
The Christian Lie About the Septuagint! -Rabbi Tovia Singer
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/O8FfKX1-H60

Already in the five books of Moses we have an example of Jews having a motive to change the text.

I'd also say the rest of the LXX was extant before Christianity came around, like when St. Paul refers to the Scriptures which St. Tim had known since childhood, since St Tim was a Hellenistic Jew, he knew them as the LXX.

Back to the motive. With a Masoretic Genesis 11, you could argue that Melchisedec was Shem, which was clearly not the opinion of St. Paul about the tithing of Abraham.

Sunday, March 30, 2025

Celarent or Cesare?

I am Not a Usurer · Celarent or Cesare? · Defending the 1990 Emergency Conclave

Which mode of syllogism is valid about St. Robert's principle?

Cardinal Bellarmine: Patron of Popesplainers?
Reason & Theology | 30.III.2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3D7T5vvI24

If Wojtyla, Ratzinger and Bergoglio have all upheld (since 1992), this:

The question about the origins of the world and of man has been the object of many scientific studies which have splendidly enriched our knowledge of the age and dimensions of the cosmos, the development of life-forms and the appearance of man. These discoveries invite us to even greater admiration for the greatness of the Creator, prompting us to give him thanks for all his works and for the understanding and wisdom he gives to scholars and researchers. With Solomon they can say: "It is he who gave me unerring knowledge of what exists, to know the structure of the world and the activity of the elements... for wisdom, the fashioner of all things, taught me."

I don't see how this is material.

It involves heresy, since it involves denial of Geocentrism and Young Earth Creationism to a degree beyond what Leo XIII or Fulcran Vigouroux could have imagined.

So, the options are, according to St. Robert:

A Pope cannot uphold CCC 283
John Paul II, Benedict XVI, Francis are Popes
= John Paul II, Benedict XVI, Francis have not upheld CCC 283

Or:

A Pope cannot uphold CCC 283
Wojtyla, Ratzinger and Bergoglio have upheld CCC 283
= Wojtyla, Ratzinger and Bergoglio are not Popes.

Saturday, March 29, 2025

I am Not a Usurer

I am Not a Usurer · Celarent or Cesare? · Defending the 1990 Emergency Conclave

Secret Catholic Teachings Nobody Knows
Brian Holdsworth | 28 March 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fOnTLbZQU4

Two more. Young Earth Creationism and Geocentrism.

Consistently taught, never revoked (unless you count CCC from 1992 as binding, I shun it).

famemolto
@famemolto: Could you distinguish these teachings as truth claims not related to faith and morals?
Hans-Georg Lundahl
@hglundahl: @famemolto I don't really think so.

Let's say that Jesus came in the Sixth Millennium. Let's say that to God one day is like a Thousand Years.

That means, that if Adam who sinned was created on the Sixth Day from a human perspective, he was redeemed on the Sixth Day from God's perspective. For an eternity of joy (for those who profit from redemption), God allowed Satan only "six days" of wreaking havoc on mankind, and now "two days" more to the Return of Christ. (Good Friday, Holy Saturday, Easter Sunday are creation days of the New Creation).

If Adam lived 40 000 or 90 000 years ago, this breaks down. The promise of Redemption in Genesis 3:15 would have had ample time to be forgotten, and for those not forgetting it, to be reasonably doubted. Genesis 3:15 would not be history, and unlike Genesis 1, there is no tradition that Moses got chapter 3 as prophecy, as a vision.

With Heliocentrism, you have Joshua adressing the wrong astronomic entity as to what should change behaviour, in 10:12, and through parallax and stellar statistics building on that and some further methods building on those, you get stars to be 100 000 or millions or billions light years away, which argues in favour of Deep Time, whereas Geocentrism doesn't argue for the phenomenon named "parallax" to be parallactic and dispenses with Deep Time.

Furthermore, with Geocentrism and a "small" universe (perhaps just one light day in radius up to the stars) you have Heaven right above the fix stars exactly as with St. Thomas and Dante, and you have Jesus' physically present up there. And with Geocentrism, you need something or someone to move the fix stars and all of the bodies below them from East to West each day, which is a proof of God.

With Heliocentrism you have a spread of Atheism as well as "Christians" misconstruing Heaven as immaterial or "another dimension" ...

2:55 Once upon a time, I inherited a shared heritage with sister after 10 years in the bank.

I decided that, neither I nor she should be damned for taking usury so I made sure to pay someone else that amount to give to the poor.

3:19 If a thing is used up in the use, consumed, or as per money, quasi-consumed, an equal amount of an equal quality is the due repayment.

If a thing is kept intact in the use, like a boat*, you can charge rent over and above the restoration of the object.

6:10 I would dispute that the "second answer is probably right" ...

9:58 "we will receive glorified bodies"

We will be reunited to our bodies that become glorified ... or not, depending on our Eternal Status ... let's not forget the glorified body is "numerically the same" just "qualitatively different"

* Or that other thing you can be a cybernetes of, a computer with internet connexion.

If you click to enlarge above, you'll find why getting a wife really past the prime of her fertility is not just not my preference, but also not my best moral option. Yes, it says "3: The Primary Purpose of Marriage".

Friday, March 28, 2025

Sharing a Discussion on Africa, Commenting on Not so African Things that I Know Better

The Myth of the African Novus Ordo, Vatican II Success Story with Dr. Peter Kwasniewski
Mere Tradition with Kennedy Hall | 27 March 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNSfx4FahWE

36:47 They even use names in Old Church Slavonic. Vladimir is Old Church Slavonic. The Ukrainean Volodymyr feels "rustic" to Russians, because it's the actual Russian form.

The nickname for a Vladimir is Volodya.

Confer South Slavic forms in -grad (Beograd), and note, Old Church Slavonic is actually Old Bulgarian, with East Slavic (Russian, Ukrainian, etc) forms in -gorod (Novgorod).

That said, people who are used to the liturgy in Greece or Russia or Ukraine will arguably come to understand the liturgic language by kind of osmosis, like Danish worked for me (I'm a Swede) or like Dutch partly worked for me (I grew up bilingual in German).

Latin came to a breaking point in 800 to 813. Before 800, the Latin in France was definitely odd to priests from elsewhere. From 813 it was recognised, common people didn't really understand Latin. The difference was made by Alcuin as to brushing up Proto-Romance with Latin to Latinising spelling into actual Latin of centuries earlier in Rome, and the reaction was to add an explanation in the vernacuar when people were obliged to attend (Lord's Days and Holidays of Obligation), either about the Gospel or about the object of the feast.

So, all of the sacred languages actually started out as vernaculars (Pali was the native language of Buddha and of Ashoka, btw, we find older inscriptions in Pali than in Sanscrit, the oldest being by Ashoka). When Pope Michael I allowed the Mass of 1950's liturgic books to be said with the translation for the faithful instead of the Latin, it was not an overreach.

38:24 They are certainly wrong about history as a method.

I've seen so many deny that the founding of Rome by Romulus and the war of Troy are historic events. "No, oral tradition isn't good enough, we need contemporary written records" ...

Well, contemporary written records are a plus, but for most of Genesis, starting with chapter 2, Moses, relied on oral tradition, which was good enough for him, or at least for Genesis 2 to 11 he did, and it was good enough for Abraham (a Beduin tribe would have been able to preserve records from Genesis 12 on, and also to write down the oral transmission from up to Abraham).

46:44 There is an ancient exception. Since Tarquin the haughty raped Lucretia, Rome was allergic against monarchy.

The result came to be a highly oligarchic Senatorial state, which I count as the Ancient version of the Fourth Beast. The modern version would be Communism, which obviously is highly Senatorial to not say Senile.

47:05 Clovis, obviously, and Saint Volodymyr in Ukraine. His capital was Kiev. Ukraine has preserved more of the old Rus' than Russia has, since Russia was Tatarised.

Did you know that St. Bridget was told to tell our king in Sweden (back then bigger, also included Finland) to go on a Crusade against the Heathen of Novgorod?

My second father confessor, back then Novus Ordo, now EOF, mentioned this to me, to dissuade me from believing too much in private revelations. His argument was "obviously the Russian Orthodox weren't Pagans, so, St. Bridget mistook her own culture for God's voice" ... I think she didn't. Novgorod was at the time (100 years after Alexander Nevski) dominated by the Tatars. And with Tatars busy on the Swedish front, there might not have been that Tatar siege on Crimea, which got the Bubonic plague started in Europe.

How Niche is Creationism?

Discovery Institute seems to have overestimated the honesty of scientific institutions, 20 years ago. So, my comments start with someone else's comments and are really a tangent.

Hey Discovery Institute, How's That 20-Year Plan Going?
Creation Myths | 27 March 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8meWkfXYCg

gupdoo3
@gupdoo3: Speaking of how niche creationism is. One time I told my cousin that I was a YEC until my late teens/early 20s and she was shocked that was even possible
Hans-Georg Lundahl
@hglundahl: I was an Evolutionist up to age 10 (one year after I became Christian, first year I tried to turn every stone on how Evolution, my previous belief, could harmonise with the Bible).
Fulminato
@ilFulminat0: @hglundahl oh, yes. the mental ability of a person of 10 years old are developed enough to end this debate.

don't care about the thousand poeople devoted their live to understand nature (in this case biology). trust the intuition of a 10 years old.*

convincing.
Austin Sims
@creationismsuperthesisguy: I'm in college for biology right now. Tons of religious people. Not one creationist so far.
Hans-Georg Lundahl: @ [Fulminato] Did I say I went by intuition?

Did I say I have stopped thinking at 10?

No.

My point was simply, don't brag for your position that mine was one you had when you were more immature. Yours is one that I had when I was more immature.*
Hans-Georg Lundahl: @ [Austin Sims] how is your professor explaining the waiting time problem?

Like this?

Waiting-time? No Problem.**
Zach B. Hancock | 6 March 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLPZxAU9nAM

"gene is doubled, each half retains half of the function, and one or other half on the other part gains a new function, that only takes one million years"?

Basically?

One million years is non-observed time, as to human and scientific observation at least. I e, the process is just hypothesised, never shown to have happened.

Cell types, well, there was a page saying the human body's cell types appeared on average one new every three million years, excepting neurons.

Obviously not observed, but also not observed among millions of other species.
Fulminato: @hglundahl intuition it's the only instrument a 10 year old kid had access.
because i cannot call "indoctrinal brainwashing" an instument, or even a tought process.

for all intents and purposes you never start to think, if you are still stick what your line of thinking was at 10, without wavering.

the sum of all it's your reasoning backfire spectacular. you only prove how brittle you reasoning is, an if you are saying the true, how much indotrinated are you.
Hans-Georg Lundahl: @ilFulminat0 " intuition it's the only instrument a 10 year old kid had access"

No, a 10 year old can definitely have access to reason and know whether Evolution is or isn't compatible with the Bible.

"if you are still stick what your line of thinking was at 10, without wavering."

So, all unwavering Evolution believers since age 10 never started to think?

Or was that just applicable one way, from you to your opponents? Ad hominem, did you hear of that?

Other thread:

Dr. Chris Thompson
@Dr.ChrisThompson: Oh boy, I remember when the Wedge Document leaked. It was a huge deal at the time. I appreciate the walk down memory lane. It seemed "ambitious" at the time, but clearly they were delusional with their plan.
Steve Greene
@steveg1961: Just like they're delusional about science.
Hans-Georg Lundahl: @steveg1961 That no.

Plan, yes. Except "delusional" is a pejorative for over-optimistic.
Steve Greene: @ [Hans-Georg Lundahl] No, I'm speaking in the context of the long history of creationism pseudoscience. I'm not being pejorative. I'm being factual.

Also, I believe I made another, longer post, that the Facebook bot filter chose to remove for no good reason whatsoever.
Hans-Georg Lundahl: @ [Steve Greene] No, they are not delusional about science and they are less wrong than you are.

* Creationism is really a bit too niche when he thinks he can get away with that and when I have to make this reply.
** May be doing a kind of reaction to that one later.

Thursday, March 27, 2025

Agreeing with Robert Carter on Skeleta, Disagreeing on LXX

Where are all the skeletons from REALLY old people? Archaeology vs the Bible.
Biblical Genetics | 7 Dec. 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A28Mi2drTI

1:43 It can be added, they seem to have miscalculated the 60 Anglo-Saxon skeleta from which they extrapolated the lifespans of the Middle Ages.

They had stated "none of them died beyond 45" and then a dentist comes around, looks at the dental calculus and concludes "yes, they did actually live longer than that" ...

3:22 Good point.

Robert Sungenis answered a question about Ishmael by stating "he was roughly ten years" ... well, no. He was born when Abraham was 86. He was not banished before Isaac was weaned. So, he was closer to 15 than to 14, in chronological age. How could his mother carry him?

14:24 If you are interested in my lineup of archaeology and Biblical chronology as per Roman Martyrology (LXX minus second Cainan), I pose Abraham's pharao as Narmer or even before or Hor Aha, Joseph's as Djoser. That would be a lot of generations.

15:18 To revert to my lineup, I place the post-Neanderthal Upper Palaeolithic at the 350 years after the Flood.

Anyone who died then, in LXX chronology, would be dying at younger ages than the line of Genesis 11.

Seth living 500 years into the post-Flood era would have died at carbon dated "6600 BC". Arphaxad 65 years later, carbon dated sth like "5900 BC". Shela 30 years after that. "5700 BC", Eber 174 years after that, "4364 BC", Peleg actually 30 years before his father, "4623 BC" ... Reu 130 years after his father, or 100 years after Peleg, between "3774" and "3652 BC" in carbon dates. None of these longlived guys died in the post-Neanderthal Palaeolithic.

RnJ
@UserRandJ: As per skip to minute 14 / the centre of false doctrine, and learn about your false views. Regards Jake

https://youtu.be/zxK8ZBn-pPU
[not linking]
Lenka
@lenka156: Interesting.
Hans-Georg Lundahl
@hglundahl: @UserRandJ That probable pastor has two arguments against the LXX.

First his second one. "God says nothing good about Egypt ever" ...

Now a certain Jew, named Apollo, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, came to Ephesus, one mighty in the scriptures.
[Acts of Apostles 18:24]

Which means, he was probably mighty in the Alexandria version of them.

Second, his first one. Egypt was the centre of Gnosticism.

Sethians started in Egypt and Palestine. Could be either place. Ophites were opposed by Alexandrian Christians using the LXX. Their writings [those of the Ophites] have been found in Nag Hammadi, which is far from Alexandria, in Upper Egypt. Cainites are undocumented except for early Church Father polemic. Valentinians come from Rome.
Hans-Georg Lundahl: @lenka156 I think Genesis is interesting too ...

17:21 Visual spectacle of a pelican adult feeding the young half chewed fish looks a bit like the pelican pushing his own breast to feed them with his own blood.

In the Middle Ages, they were considered symbols of Christ.

Wednesday, March 26, 2025

Please Note, the Bratty Liberal is a Daughter of a Police Officer

@OpinionOverdrivex
Charlie Kirk DESTROYS a BRATTY LIB! #shorts #charliekirk #debate
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JYEkMRWKXCA

Also note, the "delusional"* liberal who thinks her parents are in a cult, is exactly what certain people want me to become.

But Conservatives are betraying me to them.

@OpinionOverdrivex
Charlie Kirk DESTROYS a DELUSIONAL Liberal! #shorts #charliekirk #debate
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/drVFJv2dLyw

* Hopefully not Charlie Kirk's caption, but that of someone else. But he is correct that that is damaging.

Tuesday, March 25, 2025

Gospel against Cannibalism and Accusation thereof.

Neanderthals were pre-Flood, the just were veggies and the unjust added cannibalism (this was before Genesis 9:2)
Neanderthal doesn't directly equal Nephelim, as some of them were in fact veggies.

The method archaeologists use to find how some were perpetrators or victims of cannibalism is not too mysterious.

Neanderthals in Belgium have human genome in their dental calculus. Not so those in El Sidrón, who seem to have liked pine nuts.

Homo erectus on Java has for instance had heads cut off so the upper part can serve as cups, and some bones in Atapuerca are per genome or proteins human bones, but per splitting, the marrow has been sucked out.

Vampyrism is obviously less easy to detect once the flesh and skin of the neck have been rotted away. But if Henoch in Nod is ever dug up, I imagine we might find pictorial evidence.

3:22 Both funerary cannibalism and cannibalism of enemies have occurred.

They are different insofar as a dwelling place of cannibals will ...

contain victim split bones of divergent genomes if enemy cannibalism
contain victim bones of a consistent genome of funerary cannibalism.

Now, to be clear, I do not agree that either practise should be destigmatised, but the latter is somewhat less evil (unless involving euthanasia, in that case it's more evil).

4:31 Indeed. But do you get a certain smell of the science community denying the human body that whiff of the sacred?

Euthanasia, cremation, donating bodies to science, abortion, contraception, eugenics (by the way, the downtrodden victim in Buck v. Bell had a daughter named Vivian Dobbs, I find Dobbs v. Jackson a very fitting poetic justice), lobotomy, psychiatric drugs that debilitate, I get a real feeling, those guys may actually at heart be Gnostics.

Probably inherited from Protestantism as it has historically been (I'm aware you are not that type in these contexts).

8:57 Emblems and seals?

He didn't believe in the real presence?

It so happens, even if you said "the Catholic position implies cannibalism, but the Protestant is just symbolic" you just said yourself that actual cannibalism is seen as accursed even when it's just symbolic. So, one would have to say the Flesh and Blood can indeed be literal, provided there is a clear difference from cannibalism. There is.

The body is present where the substance of the bread was, i e under the accidents of bread, and the chewing or swallowing affects those accidents (starting with circumference) and do not hurt the actual body of Jesus, though it is there;
cannibalism is an act against a dead or dying person, but both at the Last Supper and now, it is the living flesh and living blood of the living Christ we receive.

Hence, there is no cannibalism in it.*

11:35 I would not agree with "tribal" it sounds as if the social fact of living "in a tribe" would by itself lead to barbarism.

It's a view point of the 19th C.

Meanwhile, the practise is demonic. I don't think one can be too offensive to demons.

That and human sacrifice. Take a look at the places demons chose to mislead people on, geometrically correlated places around the earth (a cross through the axis is what I've looked at) shows there are themes that the people just committing those things couldn't know.

Φιλολoγικά/Philologica: Black Magic in Shimao and Ur
https://filolohika.blogspot.com/2025/03/black-magic-in-shimao-and-ur.html

11:54 Just in case you think Catholics have been lazy about going to those peoples, check wiki for "Catholic Church in Papua New Guinea" and "Congregation of the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary"

Monday, March 24, 2025

My situation, bis

HGL's F.B. writings: About My Situation · Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: My situation, bis

Kennedy Hall is a Problem...Again...
Avoiding Babylon | 28 Oct. 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvGowvIvW_Q

1:11 His nonno happened to live in an era with more jobs and less supervision ...

3:21 No, the feeling of being oppressed is NOT Marxism.

Marxists have their ways of exploiting this feeling, but the feeling as such is not Marxism.

Marxists have exploited the victim status of Indian, Amerindian, populations.

But Pope Saint Pius X affirmed it.

LACRIMABILI STATU
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS X ON THE INDIANS OF SOUTH AMERICA TO THE ARCHBISHOPS AND BISHOPS OF LATIN AMERICA
https://www.vatican.va/content/pius-x/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-x_enc_07061912_lacrimabili-statu.html

Given the title, perhaps it's a good thing to stop talking of "cry-babies" ... "lacrimabilis" literally means "it's for crying out loud" ...

3:38 I am sorry, but I have very much NOT let victimhood mentality stop me from going forward.

I am on the contrary the victim of people who are actively pushing me back.

And if one man can possibly overcome one man, he rarely overcomes a whole bunch.

I have, very consistently, worked, writing. My oppressors are people who dislike my writing, and have diverse excuses for deflecting from the issue who's going to print my stuff.

1) You are just a snowflake, why are you so special, why should anyone read you? In fact you're a narcissist! (A word that's both used about Mozart and about the crookish husband in Gas Light)
2) Nobody's reading you (well, in February my blogs were viewed 4659 times per day and on March so far just 3080 times, so, part of the readers like to make this prophecy)
3) Your blogging isn't work, nobody's paying you (so far true, but not a physical necessity for the future, however "stop the victim mentality" is clearly one way of prolonging it)
4) You can't keep it up anyway, real writers need to be able to write every day (yes, I usually publish as much per day, roughly speaking, as Stephen King and Neil Gaiman write in raw, of which they delete some)
5) You can't be a pastor unless you're born again (I'm a Catholic essayist, not a Protestant pastor)
6) You can't be a monk and be so indiscrete about your consolations (I'm a Catholic essayist, not a prophetic monk)
7) Stop this victim mentality, it's Marxist (you are in fact helping precisely Marxists to persecute me).

4:57 I'm one of the older guys, struggling as if I were 18 to 20.

6:02 Some of those young men could actually start a business to print my blog posts as books or magazines.

Given the conditions, it could even be lots of many small companies, giving jobs to many ...

6:47 My struggle of getting a woman is two fold.

1) I am regularly being kept too tired.
2) I am also trying to be faithful to a girl who has at least strongly given the impression of not being faithful to me ...

Both compounded by people who are telling each other I need to get things together. I e who denigrate what I'm actually doing.

If a MUSLIM says I don't work, I get it. He wouldn't like me to get paying readers when I say alcohol is licit and God is three in one. But what's YOUR problem?

1) If I don't complain, you assume I'm totally satisfied with my situation.
2) If I do complain, I have a victim mentality. Has anyone told you you have a leopard mentality?

Like the mentality of four leopard heads (Judaism, Islam, Puritan Protestantism, Freemasonry, I presume)?

A little about tactics ... see how William and Harry were forced to parade behind their mother's coffin:

Princess Diana's Brother Breaks Silence on Diana, Leaving Everyone Speechless
The Prime Expedition | 9 March 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9vIhd3ODwU

How many have been similarily deceived about what I really want?

Too many, and they may at times have included my mother.

Language Related, Conlangs, Language Policy, Indo-European, Language Origin

Actually some time since I had a series of language related quora questions appear as a post here. Time for a new one:

Conlangs

Hans-Georg Lundahl shared https://www.quora.com/profile/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2/One-could-add-that-while-Atlantean-is-fictitious-as-native-language-of-the-submarine-population-it-is-not-fictitious-a

Studied Latin (language) at Lund University

Jan 25 2025

One could add that, while Atlantean is fictitious as native language of the submarine population, it is not fictitious as vocabulary and grammar that are functional enough to write movie lines in.

That’s why linguists don’t refer to such things as “fictitious languages” plus the obvious that the term refers to sth else, to when not just the native language or whatever of a population doesn’t have that population, but when it doesn’t even have words and grammar.

Q I

What language is used in the Justice League and Aquaman movies to represent the Atlantean language? Is it English or a fictional language?
https://www.quora.com/What-language-is-used-in-the-Justice-League-and-Aquaman-movies-to-represent-the-Atlantean-language-Is-it-English-or-a-fictional-language/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Studied Latin (language) at Lund University

Jan 25 2025

If it’s English, then Atlantean is a fictional language.

If it’s a “fictional language” it’s not fictional but constructed.

In the real novel by Gilbert Keith Chesterton, The Return of Don Quixote[1], there is a fictional play, Blondel the Troubadour. There are lines quoted from Blondel the Troubadour, and those lines are obviously real lines of poetry. But all the other lines of the play are fictional, because Chesterton didn’t write them and because the novel character supposed to have written the play doesn’t exist.

So, if what we hear in the movies (which I have not seen) is English, then Atlantean is fictional. If instead we hear some words of Atlantean, at least for those words Atlantean isn’t fictional but constructed.

Looking up the word “Atlantean language” it seems it’s actually constructed[2] , namely by Mark Okrand.[3] He probably didn’t construct a complete language, at least not yet, but he very probably constructed lots more of it than just what is heard or written in the films. The actors did take very real and not fictional language lessons in order to master, as comprehensible language, the lines they were saying in Atlantean.

Footnotes

[1] http://www.gkc.org.uk/gkc/books/Don_Quixote.txt
[2] Atlantean language - Wikipedia
[3] Marc Okrand - Wikipedia

Q II

Can a fictional language be created and used as a native tongue?
https://www.quora.com/Can-a-fictional-language-be-created-and-used-as-a-native-tongue/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2

Hans-Georg Lundahl

amateur linguist

Dec 3 2024

I think there was a child who was raised in Klingon.

So, he is a native speaker of Klingon, even if he quit using it at age five, so perhaps “was” would be more appropriate.

A conlang or constructed language for long is actually a better term. A language is “fictional” if it is stated in a fictional work as existing. It is constructed if it is actually shown. So, in Lord of the Rings Westron is a fictional language, consistently replaced with English, but Quenya is a constructed language, with a poem by Galadriel and an Oath of Elendil as actual samples.

Constructed languages can be constructed to the level of completion when one can use them, Esperanto is in principle no different from Quenya, and Esperanto is usable. And any language which one can use, one can also transmit to children.

Q III

How would you create a new language? What factors would you consider in designing its writing and pronunciation?
https://www.quora.com/How-would-you-create-a-new-language-What-factors-would-you-consider-in-designing-its-writing-and-pronunciation/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2

Hans-Georg Lundahl

amateur linguist

Oct 31 2024

Totally depends on what you would want it for.

Artlangs like Quenya or Black Speech, obviously a good portion of beauty or ugliness.

Auxiliary languages, and I’d priorise those spanning a region of related languages, the maximum matches and minimum dysmatches of words in the auxiliary language and any really occurring language of the region.

Language politics

Q IV

What language would be most beneficial for a Uyghur to learn?
https://www.quora.com/What-language-would-be-most-beneficial-for-a-Uyghur-to-learn/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Studied Latin (language) at Lund University

23.III.2025

Normally Uyghur and Chinese, both.

Q V

Do you believe there will be a time when learning multiple languages is no longer necessary? If so, what language do you think will become the universal language and why?
https://www.quora.com/Do-you-believe-there-will-be-a-time-when-learning-multiple-languages-is-no-longer-necessary-If-so-what-language-do-you-think-will-become-the-universal-language-and-why/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2

Hans-Georg Lundahl

amateur linguist

Mar 14 2025

Learning multiple languages is already not necessary, it’s an option to get the opportunities that learning languages gives you, not a life necessity.

I do NOT believe that there will be a universal language, or, if there is, that it will totally replace the others.

God confused the languages because it served and still serves a purpose. And one is, preventing too much unity among those who disobey God, and another is, learning languages is an occasion for humility.

Q VI

How do professional linguists choose which endangered languages to study and preserve?
https://www.quora.com/How-do-professional-linguists-choose-which-endangered-languages-to-study-and-preserve/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2

Hans-Georg Lundahl

amateur linguist

24.III.2025

Personal interest comes into what languages you study. Endangered or otherwise.

That and opportunity in which ones you preserve.

By the way, preservation of endangered languages is just one of the jobs you can do as a linguist. I don’t think you can speak of “professional linguist” but rather of “academic linguist” as the opposite of amateur linguist in my self description. Linguist is a competence, not exactly a job title. Though, obviously, any authority or company that uses linguists can make their job title for the relevant job “linguist” whether it’s a film maker helping to teach the actors a language or a missionary trying to translate the Bible into the latest discovered language that has no alphabet yet.

Q VII

When does linguistic evolution become acceptable in formal writing?
https://www.quora.com/When-does-linguistic-evolution-become-acceptable-in-formal-writing/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2

Hans-Georg Lundahl

amateur linguist

24.III.2025

When it becomes used by a sufficient number of writers who are already considered competent.

Babel and Indo-European

Q VIII

Can you explain the difference between a proto language and a parent language?
https://www.quora.com/Can-you-explain-the-difference-between-a-proto-language-and-a-parent-language/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2

Hans-Georg Lundahl

amateur linguist

Dec 19 2024

When two or more languages are seen as related:

their parent language is whatever one really spoke before the splitting up;
their proto-language is whatever one reconstructs as their parent language, whether it coincides well or ill with it and whether they had a common parent language or not.

Parent language is also posited without splitting up. In the Old Norse period, Swedish and Icelandic were still pretty much the same language. Proto-Norse (which isn’t totally a proto-language as defined above, since it is attested) is its parent language. Koiné is the parent language of Dhimotiki, and would be so even if the Pontic split off didn’t exist.

Q IX

Is it true that all languages have a direct ancestor or original language, except for English which was derived from multiple languages?
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-all-languages-have-a-direct-ancestor-or-original-language-except-for-English-which-was-derived-from-multiple-languages/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2

Hans-Georg Lundahl

amateur linguist

Feb 3 2025

Most languages do have direct ancestors, including English.

Anglo-Saxon is the oldest ancestor of English we have in writing.

English isn’t a just total mixture of AS with Old Norse and Anglo-French, it’s AS taking on words and features (sometimes in basic grammar) of ON and AF. It’s Sprachbund, not language mixture. This is also a pretty common thing.

Between the Koiné Greek of Aristotle and Modern Greek, for instance, you have admixtures of Latin, Turkish, probably Albanian and Bulgarian too, and maybe more.

French descends from Latin, but has admixtures of Gaulish, Frankish, Arabic, and more recently other languages (I’d say Italian, Spanish, German loans are post-1500).

Russian descends from Old Russian or Old East Slavic, a language not directly attested as they wrote Church Slavonic, but indirectly shown when someone in a Church Slavonic text would insert an Old East Slavic name of a person or a place without translating. So do Ukrainian and Belarusian. Russian then has admixtures from Tataric and probably some Finno-Ugric languages that are not there in Ukrainian or Belarusian.

Feb 3 2025

Kaden Vanciel

Those languages mentioned are descendants of Proto-Indo-European if I may point out.

Feb 4 2025

Hans-Georg Lundahl

That is disputed.

They certainly are correctly classified as Indo-European, but there is some dispute whether Indo-European is a family, descending from a common proto-language, or a Sprachbund.

Q X

How do linguists decide which language family a heavily mixed language belongs to?
https://www.quora.com/How-do-linguists-decide-which-language-family-a-heavily-mixed-language-belongs-to/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2

Hans-Georg Lundahl

amateur linguist

23.III.2025

Depends.

Normally, you go with basic grammar, majority of words.
But in some cases this can give equivocal results, Armenian was once, wrongly, considered part of the Persian or Iranian family. It has many loan words from Persian, and I suppose some of them are so old they don’t sound like modern Persian. Like “joy” and “royal” in English don’t sound like “joie” and “royal(e)” in French.

If you were digging for an occasion to argue for Indo-European family unity rather than all included language families starting as “heavily mixed languages” by each other and then separated from that neighbourly situation, well, the problem is, so much vocabulary is missing from each “branch of Indo-European” … For instance, take the words “father, mother, son, daughter, brother, sister” … There is only Proto-Indo-European and Germanic that has all six. Latin and Irish have other words for son and daughter, and Welsh has another word for father too. Greek has other words for brother and sister. Baltic and Slavic both have other words for father, Slavic has the “ther” ending sometimes replaced by “-ts” in masculine (like in the other word for father) and “ka” in feminine, so only sister ends in “r” …

It’s not an easy task to determine what the Indo-European word for “head” was, and I thought the situation was similar for “hand” but it turns out the Greek word is shared by Armenian and by Hittite, so it’s original. It’s “replaced by other words” (or never borrowed) in Celtic, Latin/Romance, Germanic, Balto-Slavic. The words one to ten, twenty, hundred, are similar across the board, but the teens and the tens above twenty are made in different ways. The word for thousand is different across the board, with Germanic sharing one with Balto-Slavic. The way the teens work are also similar between Baltic and the words “eleven” and “twelve” in Germanic, different in Slavic.

twelve or thirteen men

Polish: dwunastu lub trzynastu mężczyzn
Lithuanian: dvylika ar trylika vyrų

Germanic -l(e)ve(n) = Lithuanian -lika.

But we don't say **threlve, we say thirteen.

The Slavic like the Baltic is consistent from 11 to 19, and the Slavic ending is separate, the Germanic ending from 13 to 19 is separate.

In Greek and Latin, you simply add "and ten" or "ten" to the unit, so, basically Latin "eleven" is "oneteen" ...

Let's test twenty or thirty instead ...

Polish: dwudziestu lub trzydziestu mężczyzn
Lithuanian: dvidešimt ar trisdešimt vyrų (adds "ten" which would in Germanic and Latin be an addition rather than a multiplication)

If we compare the Polish endings for twelve and twenty, which is closer to "ten" ("dziesięć")?

dwunastu or dwudziestu?

Polish too adds "ten" which in Latin and Germanic would be addition. To be fair, it seems probable "dwunastu" is short for "dwu na dziestu" if we compare Ukrainian:

twelve or twenty
дванадцять або двадцять = dvanadtsyatʹ abo dvadtsyatʹ

So, Polish makes teens like Greek "one and ten" in Greek, "one on ten" in Polish.

One “clear marker” of Indo-European is verb endings, but Finnish has more Indo-European verb endings than Germanic, even at the oldest stage. And Germanic is, while Finnish isn’t Indo-European.

Q XI

Can speakers of Indo-European languages understand each other as if they were speaking one language?
https://www.quora.com/Can-speakers-of-Indo-European-languages-understand-each-other-as-if-they-were-speaking-one-language/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2

Hans-Georg Lundahl

amateur linguist

Mar 9 2025

Russian, Spanish and English are all Indo-European languages.

According to a certain theory, this means they all descend from Proto-Indo-European.

But according to how you select for what groups (I named Slavic, Romance and Germanic in my three examples) are Indo-European, this simply means they share certain key features. Or each a sufficient number from a larger list. These are NOT sufficient to understand each other.

Q XII

How do linguists trace the evolution of ancient languages to their modern descendants?
https://www.quora.com/How-do-linguists-trace-the-evolution-of-ancient-languages-to-their-modern-descendants/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2

Hans-Georg Lundahl

amateur linguist

24.III.2025

Depends very much on whether they use documentation (like between Latin and French) or reconstruction (like between Proto-Indo-European and Proto-Italo-Celtic, Proto-Italo-Celtic and Proto-Italic, Proto-Italic and Old Latin).

When it comes to Latin to French, the period between Caesar and Alcuin is one where spoken language changes while the written retains basically the spelling of Caesar’s language, and the tracing is one of sound changes reflected in spelling mistakes. For the principle, imagine a version of English where no H is pronounced, but where people also don’t go to English schools. You could detect that by someone writing “hover the ill” instead of “over the hill” … From Alcuin on, there is a very brief gap of some decades before you get that first texts often considered as “written in Old French” (definitely not Classic Old French, some reassign them to Proto-Gallo-Romance …) namely Strassburg Oaths and Eulalia Sequence. And as, from Alcuin on, the spelling convention was fixed in Latin, the conventional relation of sound and spelling could be preserved instead of an old spelling from Eulalia and Roland up to the printing press.

When it comes to Proto-Indo-European to Latin, the method is very different, since the process (real or supposed) has no written traces, by the time we get to Old Latin it’s by definition already Latin.

You collect a number of languages supposed to descend from Proto-Indo-European. In each clear family (like Germanic or Italic) you chose one or more of the oldest language forms (in Italic you’d prefer Latin and extinct Umbrian over French or Italian). You look at things that are identic or similar in meaning and reasonably similar in sound. Second person in -S (though in lots of Old Germanic languages, it could look like -ST instead)? Italic, Greek, Germanic …. a word meaning “carry” (in general) or “deliver a baby”? Fero, phero, bära, ge-bären, beirim (Old Irish biru?), bhárati …

You make a large collection of those things, you hope they have been inherited by the original mother language, since that is your working hypothesis, you try to work out how it sounded in the original language, and in this connection you need two things:

a proto-form
sound changes that lead from the proto-form to the forms that are attested.

So, for the verb mentioned, and it’s one of the flag ships for Indo-European scholarship, take this approach, first just use the stem:

*bher- → bhar- (Old Indian, Sanskrit)
*bher- → *βer- → *φer- → fer- (Latin)
*bher- → *βer- → *ber- → lengthened in second last syllable : bär- (Swedish), ge-bär- (German), bear (English) …

Then do the same thing for the endings that correspond. Spoiler, not all endings do correspond, though many do.

Q XIII

Can the phonology of Proto-Indo-European be reconstructed for a specific reconstructed morpheme, such as 'to be'?
https://www.quora.com/Can-the-phonology-of-Proto-Indo-European-be-reconstructed-for-a-specific-reconstructed-morpheme-such-as-to-be/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2

Hans-Georg Lundahl

amateur linguist

Dec 4 2024

Yes and no.

If you assume that PIE existed
and if you take one of the reconstruction models

THEN you can reconstruct precisely the phonology of a specific morpheme.

Q XIV

What can ancient writing systems tell us about how humans think and communicate?
https://www.quora.com/What-can-ancient-writing-systems-tell-us-about-how-humans-think-and-communicate/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2

Hans-Georg Lundahl

amateur linguist

24.III.2025

Usually, a single language has one writing system, rarely two (Old Swedish has been written both in Runes and in the Latin alphabet). If any at all.

One writing system can be used by more than one language or language family. In that case, there is always cultural contact either present or at least past.

So, for instance, if prior to Göbekli Tepe people from Spain to Indonesia repeated 32 not obviously pictorial signs, and if after Göbekli Tepe you find very different types of proto-writing popping up in Mohenjo-Daro and Greece and perhaps elsewhere, we can conclude that before Göbekli Tepe there was a single language or at least languages in contact with each other, and after Göbekli Tepe a discontinuity both with that past and with each other in different places.

Q XV

What are some of the earliest known languages? Is there evidence to support the theory that all languages evolved from one common language?
https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-of-the-earliest-known-languages-Is-there-evidence-to-support-the-theory-that-all-languages-evolved-from-one-common-language/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2

Hans-Georg Lundahl

amateur linguist

Oct 31 2024

A few things to keep in mind.

The idea all languages over the world, from Chinese to Kiché evolved from a single language, called “Proto-World” by adherents should not be confused with the idea that all Indo-European languages (46 % speak them as first language over the world) evolved from Proto-Indo-European. The strictly linguistic evidence for the latter is not uncontrovertible, Trubetskoy who founded Balkan linguistics was against it, and the linguistic evidence for the former is obviously much more slender than that. One adherent (Merrit Ruhlen, I think, or he could have cited earlier adherents) reconstructed 32 root words he considered as recurring all over the world, while for Proto-Indo-European Pokorny lists 2,222 main entries. To be clear, not all of those are evidenced from all “branches of Indo-European” some get only three out of ten big ones, and not always even plus a few small obscure ones.
There is theological evidence that the actual first language was Hebrew, and that most non-Hebrew or at least all non-Semitic and plenty of non-Hebrew Semitic ones did not naturally evolve, but split off from Hebrew by miraculous change, see Genesis 11, yes, this is how the text is taken by Church Fathers and Scholastics who have commented on it. The Hebrew spoken immediately after the Flood, before Babel need not have been strictly letter for letter the same that Moses would write down 1447 years later if it was at the Exodus event he began writing. But it would still be at least as recogniseable as Old English from Beowulf or King Alfred is seen from Modern English. Probably a bit more due to longer lifespans.
Evolution believers think that human language began to exist some time between “at least” half a million years ago “as far back as” in Homo erectus and as late as Homo Sapiens only, around the time of the Neanderthal extinction or even pushing back to 90 000 years ago. Compared to that, the earliest languages we have now are recent. There is nothing in language development since these earliest attested languages (they obviously think Sumerian is older than any recognisable form of Hebrew), whether they survived or not, to remotely illustrate the ideas of Evolution believers that language as we know human language developed from “more primitive” predecessors. The “language of the great apes” in Tarzan is strictly speaking fan fiction on evolutionary linguistics. It has no support in actual historic linguistics. So, all “evidence” for human languages developing from different strands of hominins independently or from a single strand are speculations in the shadow field evolutionary linguistics, no support at all in linguistics proper.

To the first question. As I said, Evolution believers would say Sumerian was spoken as early as 3500 BC (a carbon date I consider as equivalent to a real date between 2039 and 2022 BC), and written down only 900 years later, and obviously Hebrew even in the form of Proto-Sinaitic is not recorded in writing earlier than well after that.

Wikipedia has an excellent entry on that. List of languages by first written record.[1]

Footnotes

[1] List of languages by first written account - Wikipedia

Q XVI

Did ancient civilizations have a common language or did they speak different languages and were isolated from each other?
https://www.quora.com/Did-ancient-civilizations-have-a-common-language-or-did-they-speak-different-languages-and-were-isolated-from-each-other/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2

Hans-Georg Lundahl

amateur linguist

Oct 31 2024

Mankind in the Upper Palaeolithic could have had a common language, as Genevieve von Petzinger found 32 symbols recurring everywhere from Spain to Indonesia. Of these, the hashtag has been found in Neanderthal caves.
For Göbekli Tepe, we have no written remains at all.
Proto-writing after Göbekli Tepe seems diverse.
Deciphered writings even later definitely are diverse, and record different languages.
Nevertheless, while Egyptians, Sumerians, Akkadians, Hatti, Hittites, Mitanni, Elamites had different languages, they were not isolated, but had already established relationships using the skills of bilingual people.

Here is how I read this, as a Christian:

Pre-Flood and early post-Flood mankind, up to the death of Noah 350 years after the Flood all spoke Hebrew. Neanderthals would have before the Flood spoken a dialect in which AH and OH didn’t occur. Or at least those with flat roof skulls, a feature posing a problem to pronounce such vowels.
350 to 401 after the Flood, the elites from all around the world were drafted by Nimrod to Babel. He had no use for writing, neither had his colleague over in Jericho.
In 401 when Phalec was born, or rather somewhat before it, perhaps as much as seven years, mankind was breaking up bc of the confusion of tongues. Hence his name, as the seven years up to his birth had seen men divide more and more. The ones who tried to write afterwards were “reinventing” the lost “wheel” and coming up with new shapes.
Once writings are made that we can still or at least again read, the languages were obviously already different.
And these civilisations with deciphered writings started out so late after Babel that they had begun to reconnect through bilinguals. All of above writings come from the times of Joseph in Egypt or later.

Some will pretend this doesn’t make sense with the time scale, well, it does if carbon dates are inflated and more and more the further back we go, past a certain point which I consider the fall of Troy.

Language Origin

Q XVII

What is the logic behind how spoken language works? How were noises and sounds associated with things and ideas to form the "word"?
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-logic-behind-how-spoken-language-works-How-were-noises-and-sounds-associated-with-things-and-ideas-to-form-the-word/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2

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Hans-Georg Lundahl

amateur linguist

Mar 10 2025

The logic is, it is mainly notional.

You mainly predicate one notion about one other notion.

This means, the phrase is nearly always at least two morphemes.

Also, in order to have a sufficient number of morphemes, for this to work, the morpheme is nearly always at least two phonemes, not just one noise, but a number of them in a specific order.

You cut things with a knife. You tuck someone in a blanket. Cut and tuck contain the same three phonemes, but not in the same order.

The next question you ask is how this came to happen. Well, for those who insist it happened by evolution, no one knows how. For those who insist it didn’t happen by evolution, some of us know God gave this as a gift to Adam on the very first day he was alive.

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Q XVIII

What is the most effective way to understand an ancient text from a different language without having to learn all related languages beforehand?
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-most-effective-way-to-understand-an-ancient-text-from-a-different-language-without-having-to-learn-all-related-languages-beforehand/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-1

Hans-Georg Lundahl

amateur linguist

25.III.2025

Feast of Annunciation

To learn THAT language.
or to read in translation.

In either case, you are perfectly entitled to inform yourself about ancient translations, if any.

“Battologein” means “stutter-speak” and while the Vulgate picks on about the probable intended sense of “holding speaches nervously” by stating “use verbosity” the Syriac and Coptic, as I have been told on Quora, translate “stutter” …. not a single translation prior to the heresiarch Calvin uses “vain repetitions” as a translation.

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Freemarket Holodomor on Ireland, 19th C.

New blog on the kid: Is Unlimited Capitalism Freedom and Individual Responsibility? · Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Freemarket Holodomor on Ireland, 19th C.

Why didn't Irish people eat fish during the Great Famine
Irish History Podcast | 20 March 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17RE_G-DJzg

3:46 That's certainly not true according to the stated profession of Molly Malone.

A society with no one able to fish will not have fish mongers. Arguably, while getting up cockles and mussels is perhaps a bit more complicated, they know how to do that too.

5:36 OK, UK rules Ireland as part of itself, and wants to prefer "itself" over part of itself?

Or did it perhaps want to prefer other parts, with more Protestants in them?

Saturday, March 22, 2025

On Adam and Eve and their Whenabouts

Correcting Brandon Robbins on Some Things Flood-Related · On Adam and Eve and their Whenabouts

Scientific Evidence That Adam & Eve Existed?! (Priest Reacts)
Father David Michael Moses | 21 March 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVM49DgEeiE

0:32 Technically correct. De Genesi ad litteram libri XII, the discussion starts somewhere in book IV, covers all of book V and ends near the beginning of book VI.

But two caveats.

1) He never said the creation of a complete universe could be considerably longer than 6 * 24 hours, he just said it probably was considerably shorter, i e one moment.
2) Even if you extrapolate, either that the 6 days could be longer periods (as Fr. Fulcran Vigouroux did) or that there was a gap before the 6 * 24 hours, and long periods before that gap, (as Cardinal Wiseman did), from the creation of Adam and Eve on, this still leaves you with Biblical chronology. Like Genesis 5 says, according to text versions a few versions between 1300 + and 2262 years up to the Flood. Like Genesis 11 says, according to text versions, 292, 942 or 1070 years from Flood to birth of Abraham, and I think I've seen Josephus go some century short of 942 years.

And in case you wanted to extrapolate further freedoms from St. Augustin's view of the Creation days, that's a no-go. In City of God (which, while leaving me Roman Catholic, converted me back to YEC, as I had been up to a few years after my conversion), you find he's pretty strict on taking Genesis 5 and 11 literally.

2:00 I recomend you don't take the 200,000 years literally.

Those scientists have been checking genetic changes with the understanding of populations always being fairly big.

By contrast, if you go to the Biblical story, the first generations after Adam and Eve are a bottleneck, the time after the Flood was a bottleneck, and for many populations after Babel the first time after this split was a bottleneck too.

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Hans-Georg Lundahl
@hglundahl: @ji8044 What's funny?

You do agree that with sciences, we need to consider scientific methods, and for some there are weaknesses, don't you?

For a mutation to spread in a group of 72 men plus women and children is obviously faster than for it to spread in a population of "at least 10 000" like the scientists count, those in question. This number 72 men etc. is part of the post-Flood bottleneck ending in Babel, followed by smaller bottlenecks after Babel.

4:08 The huge majority of the saints were Young Earth Creationists and Geocentrics.

I'm modelling my intellectual life on that (this includes St. Augustine and St. Thomas).

4:28 Y-chromosome Adam is also known as Noah.

Mitochondrial Eve was the last common female ancestor of the three daughters in law. Probably later than Eve.

Neanderthals have different Y-chromosomes and mitochondriae, they descend from Adam and Eve too.

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