Monday, September 22, 2025

On Beowulf and Clergy


Which Beowulf should YOU read? - Three Editions Compared
Gavin the Medievalist | 23 Aug 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-mWVY-xc54


How old is Beowulf?
Gavin the Medievalist | 30 Aug 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY2sLgDGq04


5:59 If the Beowulf poet's native language wasn't (Old) English, the linguistic argument could be somewhat moot, right?

Because, Apollonius of Rhodes didn't speak and Old Ionic two centuries younger than Homer, he spoke Koiné, and learned Homeric Greek as a foreign language.

So, if for instance ex-Patriarch Photius, once he had retired to a monastery, learned the English to write Beowulf, he could pretty easily have learned it from texts that were two hundred years older, and imitated them much more successfully than an actual Englishman, given that 200 years is pretty close in language development, and avoiding intereference from one's own contemporary language would have been harder.

Meanwhile, Photius' own version of Koiné Greek (some 1000 years after Apollonius, but very attached to models like LXX and NT in his class) would not have interfered at all ... except, he could have used an objective genitive, unaware that this didn't exist in Old English.

soðfaestra dom ... based on purely English models, a scholar has argued, the poet spoke of Beowulf's subjective hope to be judged by true and steady men in posterity.

If Greek was the underlying language, the poet could actually have been arguing against what is now known as Feeneyism: Beowulf (ultimately) died in the hope of receiving the judgement bequeathed on the true and the steady, i e, we hope he was saved.

Even if this would not painting Geats as being quite as much in danger of damnation for being non-Christians, a) the danger could have increased in the meantime, because of Odinism presumed to not have been as prevalent in Beowulf's lifetime, b) it did inspire St. Sigfrid (the time for the Beowulf manuscript is a very good match for when St. Sigfrid came to Sweden:

In his hagiography, Saint Sigfrid of Sweden is problematically described as having held the office of Archbishop of York.[48] It is possible basis that Sigeferð of Lindsey could have been elected to that office in the late Spring of 1002, following the death of Archbishop Ealdwulf, but because of a call to evangelize Sweden, resigned before enthronement, whereupon Wulfstan, Bishop of London, took his place at York. One seeks in vain for an Archbishop of York signing English royal charters in the summer of 1002)


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Is Tolkien's Beowulf ANY GOOD? A Review by a Medievalist
Gavin the Medievalist | 12 Sept. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN4QkyTmtqE


[Links to the three essays given, but disappeared]

7:48 I would say, in the Ludwigslied, you do find a pretty chivalric atmosphere.

It's from the 880's so, while well after the "700 — 750" date, well before the actual manuscript.

The Inklings were themselves sure that Beowulf as much as Homer and Virgil dealt with warriors of an essentially chivalric tradition.

Confer the knights of the ... Carolingian ... table (in Aachen). A few decades before Lewis III of France or of West-Francia, with whom the Ludwigslied deals ...

Saturday, September 20, 2025

Pam Bondi NOT Honouring Charlie Kirk


Charlie Kirk dind't want that
The Comments Section | 19 Sept. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bjoWW3Gufs


Can this have something to do with Trump visiting Charles III?

UK has no bill of rights, but by now pretty draconian laws against "hate speech" ...

As Said, Candace Was Certainly Not Trying to Smudge Charlie's Name


Officer Tatum BREAKS His Silence on Candace Owens' Allegations on Charlie Kirk
Tamera Nealy | 19.IX.2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96-YXBuVDKc


A certain pastor who had been that of Charlie Kirk went after Candace for "denigrating" his memory over saying he was going towards Catholic conversion.

You say she's "denigrating" his memory for going against the atrocities Israel does in Gaza and stating Charlie Kirk was withdrawing his previous support.

As becoming Catholic and not supporting what Israel does in Gaza (most of it) is not Candace Owen's "black" but her (and my) "white" ... it's pretty obvious that such a way of seing it totally misrepresents Candace Owens.

You may think she and I are wrong. You may think Charlie Kirk was wrong if he was joining us on those issues. You may think Candace Owens was wrong about Charlie Kirk. BUT you cannot pretend she would have thought Charlie Kirk joining us would be wrong.

Friday, September 19, 2025

Shoe had a good take (but I'm repeating myself)


These People are Sick
Shoe0nHead | 18 Sept. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJENP0Rr8p0


2:15 He did not advocate to stone gays.* A Lesbian quoted Leviticus 19 to him, he quipped with Leviticus 18 and added that was the old law. His point was not for stoning gays, but for not quoting the Bible out of context. Pretty much what some LGBTQ advocates do when arguing about shrimps, and we don't call them out for wanting to stone Danes for eating smørrebrød med pillede reger (reger meaning shrimps).

Even Stephen King has apologised for that one.

He also didn't say black women are too stupid to be pilots. He was commenting on them becoming pilots on DEI rules. A DEI policy says you can allow the fourth best applicant (or whatever) to get a job if the very best is white male and the fourth best is in a group where equity and diversity would warrant giving a pass. He may be wrong. But he arguably wasn't wrong about it with Lesbians in the LA fire department back in January, so, he had at least fresh news to back it up with.

The thinking is, good competence is scarce. The very best applicant is adequate, but hiring the fourth best instead is courting disaster. It's not that the black woman for being a black woman is stupid, it's that she could have been only the fourth best applicant. However, I would agree against DEI policies when it comes to making people policy makers albeit on subsidiary roles (LA Fire Department). Or when the marginalised group being recent immigrants they are applied on so many levels they court Great Replacement. (The main courting of GR is obviously childlessness and childscarcity among white indigenous people of the First World).

If the applicants for a job are 20 to 100 and even the tenth or fifthieth would be good enough, because those who aren't have the sense to not apply, or their teachers have the sense not to encourage them, hiring the fourth best is obviously not as disastrous a deal as some think.

7:14 She's so totally out of touch.**

11:21 If someone calls you a Fascist, feel free to quip they are confusing you with Connor Estelle, Nick Fuentes or myself.

13:30 Wait, you got called Fascist for calling out a certain company which may have apologised but put out really creepy material with small children?

I recall you said that, but not that someone called you Fascist for it ...

18:05 Rome stopped having a Republic when murdering Tiberius Gracchus led to Sylla's men murdering Marians, leading to Marius' men murdering Syllans ... leading to Catilina, leading to ... well, Caesar. Princeps senatus, but one who didn't always leave much job for the rest of the Senate.

Spain got a very bloody war from 1936 to 1939, with too little pardon for beaten adversaries after the war, over a murder culture. You know Calvo Sotelo was the fourth murder in a few months, in a Left-Right vendetta.

18:51 Workers rights, unions?

If on top of that you are against abortion, even more, against actual Communism (as expropriation of companies followed by collectivisation) you are actually a Fascist. I just reminded Casey Cole OFM when he said sth about "people want to fix homelessness, but won't pay taxes for cheap housing" ... that was actually one of Franco's policies.

And before you say "Nordic Socialism", actually Swedish Social Democrats did copy the programme of Nysvenskarne, a Fascist party which admired Il Duce and Perón, but not a certain man who should have remained a painter after hearing of certain camps. Or is it Nysvenskarna? Both plurals are valid in Swedish.

When Lyndon LaRouche called Olof Palme a Fascist, in economic policies, he wasn't wrong. Unfortunately, Palme wasn't pro-life.

* Shoe went on to make the point herself, after 2:15.

** Shoe happened to show a clip of someone saying so few could relate to Charlie, no one was going to consider him as a martyr. That girl, fortunately left anonymous has been proven very wrong, even into France and Germany. Shoe isn't very often out of touch herself.

Two Franciscans Presumably (or for one certainly) Against Death Penalty (Neither of them is For the Shooting)


Should We Kill Charlie Kirk's Assassin? (Fr. Boniface Hicks)
More Pints With Aquinas | 16 Sept. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS2eMVH-YLo


15:40 The law was not to kill her alone.

Now, this law was a civil law for Israel, later for Judah and Israel, an applied insofar as Judah had autonomous jurisdiction.

However, this is a prophecy in Genesis, namely 49:10 The sceptre shall not be taken away from Juda, nor a ruler from his thigh, till he come that is to be sent, and he shall be the expectation of nations.

Now, Jesus had already come, so, Judah could have and actually had lost autonomy, after Archelaos:

Pilate therefore said to them: Take him you, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said to him: It is not lawful for us to put any man to death
[John 18:31]

In other words, before Pilate, Jews recognised they had lost the authority to mete out death penalty. Perhaps this applied only to men in the sense of males, though I doubt it, but if so, that would make the stoning of an adulteress only (without the adulterer) a "norm" that contrasted with the actual Mosaic norm for an independent Hebrew state.

I would say that He Who is without sin threw a stone on the first adulterer and first adulteress in the universe, Satan, and that stone was inscribed with Et tibi dabo claves regni caelorum. Et quodcumque ligaveris super terram, erit ligatum et in caelis: et quodcumque solveris super terram, erit solutum et in caelis.

Probably the reason why the first Pope's new name was Peter.

He did not throw a stone on the woman, whom nobody could any more judge according to Jewish law.

We Need to Talk About Charlie Kirk
Breaking In The Habit | 19 Sept. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wsllpI3fpQ


["They literally don't know who the other is."]


3:01 You mean like between Tel Aviv and Gaza?

4:42 Actually, there is some unhinged hatred, when, a) a Lesbian argued against a CK position from Leviticus 19, b) CK reminded her of a thing in Leviticus 18 and c) Stephen King pretended CK wanted to stone LGBTQ people today.

On some parts, it's a question of unhinged credulity, being ready to believe any bad thing about CK. On some parts, it's a question of more, of actually wanting to distort or at least spontaneously distorting through one's filters what one hears the other person saying.

Not saying this is inexistent on the right, but (biassed as I am) I don't find it as prominent.

8:24 "Division is profitable"

Sounds a bit like the point a certain de La Tour du Pin was making against both Capitalism and Communism ... René, Count de La Tour du Pin.

By the way, did CK ever make that point too?

13:06 Whatever success rating you are giving CK, you are certainly for what he was at least trying to do.

Protests in Russia


Les Russes protestent enfin contre Poutine*
NFKRZ | 18 Sept. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKHFjO2T-Xw


* Presumably: Russians are Finally Protesting Putin.

The title was autotranslated, but the video is in English.

Thursday, September 18, 2025

Tolkien and Hope


The Return of the King is a DARK Book
First Timers | 18 Sept. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOTuGGoQAG0


7:23 "and banners still streaming in the breeze"

I think Tolkien, unpatriotic from "a Brit" (or Englishman) as it may be, may have made an oblique reference to a 14th of September in 1814 when in the morning, the British ships had not taken down the barred and star spangled banner. I'll always recall actually understanding your National Hymn (you aren't Canadian, eh?) for the first time when hearing El pendón estrellado in a video recounting the history from the referenced occasion to the official translation into Spanish. Up to then, I had just taken it as random, jumbled, war imagery. Epics tell stories. Lyrics reflect on salient things, including salient aspects of stories ... but they are not always great explainers of the story they reflect on.

Tolkien would not have referred to himself as a Brit, to him Brits are the guys in Cardiff or that placename which counted in letters is the longest place name in the world.

7:42 "if only on one leg"

Reference to the Gaulish cock. As in, you know, rooster.

8:20 / 8:40 And "valley, where the grass is green" would seem to refer to Wales, via "How Green was my valley" by Richard Llewelyn (novel appeared 1939).

Tolkien would certainly have referred to Richard Llewelyn as a Brit ... or a Cymro.

[Other US Reference, Beacons of Gondor:

Ancient Military Communication System used during the American Revolution 🔥
All Revolutionary War, All The Time! | 20 Sept. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N60VnVF_afs
]

Avi Yemini defends Gaza Humanitarian Foundation


I ask a "counter"-question:

The TRUTH about Gaza humanitarian aid they DON’T want you to see
Avi Yemini | 18 Sept. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kxlinq9FNow


1:39 Supposing this is the truth, why not invite the Flotilla to first deliver their aid, then take trucks to where you are standing?

2:21 why are they not doing it?

GHF challenged on funding and Gaza aid site killings
Channel 4 News | 14 Aug. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMJWckbcXxU

Monday, September 15, 2025

Trent Horn Exposes Salvation and Original Sin in an Excellent Fashion, But Less Excellent on Certain Sci-The Debates


DIALOGUE: Infant Baptism, Catholicism, and The Church of Christ
The Counsel of Trent | 28 Oct. 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JnELgrWyZs


32:42 "it was human death" ... an answer strictly speaking not available to a Catholic

An Anglican or Lutheran or Presbyterian could cite, in support, this:

If so ye continue in the faith, grounded and settled, and immoveable from the hope of the gospel which you have heard, which is preached in all the creation that is under heaven, whereof I Paul am made a minister.
[Colossians 1:23]

But they would then be presupposing that the Gospel is only preached in human creatures.

If we as Catholics bless beasts, food, plants, objects and even minarals like salt, we point to this verse, we say "all creation" means all creation, and then it means that also in relation to death, and in relation to Mark 10:6, "from the beginning of creation" (no limitation of under heaven added here).

33:25 "it was human ..."

For we know that every creature groaneth and travaileth in pain, even till now
[Romans 8:22]

Here is Dom Augustin Calmet cited (and translated to English) by Father Haydock:

The creature, &c. The creatures expect with impatience, and hope with confidence, to see a happy change in their condition; they flatter themselves that they will be delivered from the captivity of sin, to which man has reduced them, and enter into the liberty of the glory of the sons of God. Not that the inanimate creation will really participate the happiness and glory of the elect; although in some sense they may be said to have part in it, since they will enter into a pure, incorruptible and perfect state to the end of ages. They will no longer be subject to those changes and vicissitudes which sin has brought upon them; nor will sinful man any longer abuse their beauty and goodness in offending the Creator of all. St. Ambrose and St. Jerome teach that the sun, moon, and stars will be then much more brilliant and beautiful than at present, no longer subject to those changes they at present suffer. Philo and Tertullian teach that the beasts of prey will then lay aside their ferocity, and venomous serpents their poisonous qualities. (Calmet)

So, it was also animal death, and especially (if we look at Sts Augustine and Bede arguing otherwise on previous) any wasteful and unnecessary suffering in connection to animal death.

34:33 Baronius was dead even before the first trial where Galileo was involved.

IF he said it, he was probably arguing for the licitness of replacing Ptolemy with Tychonian Geocentrism, Galileo was absolutely not a thing yet, while he lived, not in this debate.

We have the quote ONLY through Galileo, and no early source clearly saying it was Baronius he meant, here are the exact words of Galileo to archduchess Cristina:

Galileo writes: “It is clear from a churchman who has been elevated to a very eminent position that the Holy Spirit’s intention is to teach us how to go to Heaven, and not how the heavens go”*


My alternative theory is, it could very well have been a Cardinal Barberini, a friend of Galileo who at this time enjoyed conversations about the subject, but later as Pope Urban VIII took some responsibility about what Galileo was spreading (in fact, an error, in Bible, in the physics/metaphysics of natural philosophy, and in epistemology).




* As I quoted in:
Φιλολoγικά/Philologica: Was it Baronius and Did Galileo Recall His Words Accurately?
https://filolohika.blogspot.com/2024/11/was-it-baronius-and-did-galileo-recall.html

Sunday, September 14, 2025

Newman's Famous, Famous Essay, a Weak Spot in the Catholic Armour? (First Half of Video)


Did Newman Accidentally Refute Roman Catholicism?
Rev. Brandon Warr | 12 Sept. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMQIVtvw7yo


0:19 Will all Catholic bloviators please stand up?

Raising my hand ....

4:26 Clarified in your usage is, for all I know about that essay from 1845, Newman's "developed" ...

Rev. Brandon Warr
@RevBrandonWarr
It doesn't track with how Newman used it. He tried to backpedal on it, but we are not postmodernists. Ultimately, if any tradition can use Newman's points to justify its own continuity, then Newman is wrong about Rome.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@hglundahl
@RevBrandonWarr I have nothing but your word for that.

Especially not my vague memories of his text.

Meanwhile, I'm taking a pause after 10:58 to tomorrow, it's 11:20 PM here, and I left comments between 4:26 and 10:58. If they came into your spam folder, please "unspam" so each point of mine can be debated. Not just a conveniently small number of them. I see two of my fourteen points only.

My answer
was taken away. I'll post this, with comments up to 10:58, Second half may be another time.




5:35 Quotemining. Could the quote in context have referred to change in verbal expression?

Here*, apart from going from St. Augustine's Latin, via his translator's English to French, I have actually changed the wording, adding a consideration which was not explicitly there:

Dans une note en bas de page, Vigouroux cite St. Augustine dans le latin pour le nombre d'hommes quand Caïn fonde la cité de Hénoch. Cité de Dieu, livre XV, chapitre 8. Pour le propos dans le titre, allons plutôt à l'argument du chapitre 16.

Je le résume ainsi, avec observations supplémentaires : — 1° l'inceste (entre frère et sœur) est abhorré comme posant une coalescence entre relations qui diminue le nombre de personnes avec qui on est dans une relation amicale. (Il ne parle même pas de toute un autre problème encore plus grave entre parent et progéniture, puisque ce n'est pas du tout dans le texte, Genèse 4 et 5 n'ai rién de la tragédie de Thèbes). Idéalement, donc, deux fonctions de relations doivent vous unir à deux personnes différentes. — 2° Mais la génération après Adam et Ève, il y avait juste deux fonctions qui coïncidèrent : père et beau-père, la relation d'Adam à Caïn et à sa femme (mère et belle-mère pour Ève) et à l'inverse fils et beau-fils pour Caïn, fille et belle-fille pour sa femme. Et ce n'était pas évitable. — 3° Par contre, la génération prochaine, c'était déjà évitable, on pouvait épouser une cousine germaine, et la coïncidence aurait été de trois relations : Caïn aurait été à la fois père et beau-père de Hénoch et encore l'oncle maternel aussi, si Hénoch avait épousé sa sœur; donc, si Hénoch a épousé une cousine, Caïn n'était que juste père et oncle, mais pas encore beau-père au-dessus du marché. — 4° Dès la génération d'Irad, c'était possible d'avoir Hénoch uniquement comme père, quelqu'un d'autre comme beaupère et quelqu'un d'autre comme oncle maternel. Depuis, on ne fait même pas coïncider deux relations. C'est à dire, licitement. — 5° Avant de répondre que l'affaire entre un frère et une sœur de nos jours ferait juste coïncider deux relations, puisque leur père et mère ne sont pas frère et sœur comme Adam et Ève ne l'étaient pas, les relations licitent doive se pouvoir répéter sans trop d'inconvénient, et là on aurait dans la génération suivante une coïncidance entre trois relations. Et ce qui est dit de Caïn, Hénoch, Irad doit s'entendre aussi de Seth, Énos, Caïnan.


Did I substantiallly change the position of St. Augustine on why brother-sister marriages are normally wrong, but weren't the first generation after Adam and Eve? Or have I just clarified?

I think the latter, and nevertheless, the wording is very different from the locus in City of God, XV:16.

5:44 In 1845, Newman was not speaking for the Catholic Church, so it was not the Church admitting, it was Newman presuming a change over time.

Note, he wrote the book before actually converting, and before actually even getting Catholic instruction before converting.

Why, you may ask ...?

Well, given the celebrity of Newman, Church authorities already such could figure out that people would attribute his defection from Anglicanism and adherence to Catholicism in terms of Ulterior motives (and not Ulsterior ones, but much more material than that!) ... the solution was to make him write a book which written when it was, showed his motives to convert as motives from within his previous Anglican position.

It's not the Catholic saying why he was right to convert, it's the Anglican saying why he was going to be right to convert.

I'd be very happy if Prevost (though I hold him to be anti-pope, pending evidence to the contrary, given his three predecessors) clarified that his canonisation of Newman's doctrine extends to works after 1845. In Idea of a Catholic University, in the section defining six meanings of history, he actually talks like a Fundie. And by then, he actually is a spokesman of the Catholic Church.



5:50 Supposing by developments he means what you call clarifications, I see nothing objectionable in the quote.

5:58 By the way, he does not say "profitable" but "probable" according to the text you have on the screen.

6:18 You are referring to a dictionary definition of "development" which is very summary, which presumably doesn't even cover the much more related concept of development section in a sonata, while Newman could easily have given the word a different meaning from you, closer to "development of an argument" or "development section of a sonata" ...

This sounds dangerously close to strawmanning Newman's position these few months prior to his conversion. Can we expect similar straw-Manning with other converts?

7:28 "as Newman himself admits"

Admitted a few months before his conversion.

I would say the NT textual case for the three doctrine areas (Mariology, Papacy, Veneration of Saints) is far better than Newman had up to 1845 learnt from studying as an Anglican, consulting Anglicans, using (much if not all of the time) Anglican methodology as it was in 1840 ...

That Newman felt he had to defend them by "development of doctrine" shows the weakness of Catholicism within Newman's up to then Anglican context, not the weakness of Catholicism as such.

1) All of the OT is typological and as such about Christ or diverse relations to Him, see Luke 24:27 (I think it was) (yep)
2) Jael is a type of Mary by "blessed among women" and Satan is the only candidate for Our Lady's Sisera (and Our Lady was given the title of Jael but generalised before being pregnant with Jesus).
3) Eliacim is a type of Peter, as per Matthew 16:19 echoing Isaias 22:22
4) Martyrs are a type of all who reign in Christ, during the Millennium, which you will concede is the Church Age, not after it, starting after AD 33, not after Armageddon, and Apoc. 6 shows us how they reign. Namely by prayers for the Church militant or against Her enemies. OT saints are types of NT saints, both Elisaeus and St. Paul show miracles being worked by their relics.

8:09 To be deep in history is to get out of Trail of Blood history.

Tondrakians and Paulicians are not early Protestants.

I'm reminded of the existence of red napkins being confirmations of all ravens being black, by being non-black non-ravens, and the objection "wouldn't the existence of non-red non-ravens prove all ravens are red" ... doesn't hold, since we already know from direct experience some ravens at least or even all we have knowledge of are black, none red.

In order to develop doctrine from a point in 1st C. AD to a point in 19th C. AD, you need to be actually around between 1st and 19th CC. AD. The "Baptist" Church of Trail of Blood clearly wasn't. It's as bad history as claiming Columbus proved what Washington Irving said he proved, earth being round, in the face of a flat earth consensus, which obviously didn't exist.

8:27 A pretty banal example of a necessity of verbal change could be given this way, and Newman's points make perfect sense.

In the 1st C (according to a convert priest's theory) all priests were called "episkopoi" while bishops were variously called "apostoloi, euangelistai, aggeloi, presbuteroi" and perhaps even add "prophetai" ... after the 1st C (according to same theory), one kept the office of bishop common to all categories, but did not keep all the categories, so suddenly needed a common term, and found one in Acts one et episcopatum ejus accipiat alter given the twelve were the original bishops, whereafter the term "presbuteros" was transferred to the lower degree, to simple priests.

Obviously I'm not sure whether this is the correct explanation, it's that priest's opinion, not dogma, but if it is, it would exemplify a necessity of verbal change within doctrinal continuity. And the doctrinal continuity would be perfect, there would just be an impoverishment in disciplinary categories.

8:42 Come on ... he was in a mental quandary after being taught for decades there is no explicit support for Mary's sinlessness in the NT, he did the best he could before he had Catholic instruction to enlighten him, and you treat his words as if they were the be all end all of Catholicism.

Plus you are still doing a straw-Manning of him, as presumably with Manning if you treat him (or perhaps not, perhaps Manning actually was less good doctrinally) by pitting "development" and "change" against "clarification" ...

9:55 It may have left the Roman magisterium at an awkward position in 1845, but very arguably in a less awkward one than the Protestantism of 1845.

And either of these entities as measured in Newman's then imperfectly enlightened mind.

10:37 That word doesn't mean what you think it means.**

And because from thy infancy thou hast known the holy scriptures, which can instruct thee to salvation, by the faith which is in Christ Jesus 16 All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice 17 That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work
[2 Timothy 3:15-17]

St. Tim was actually well trained, not a person approaching the texts for the first time, even so they only became this sufficient thing for him (or any other "man of God", terminus technicus not coextensive with "faithful") by a thing added to the texts in question, after he had been trained in them, namely "the faith which is in Christ Jesus" ...

You're strawmanning St. Paul as much as you are strawmanning Newman.

10:58 This contrasts with Trent Session IV, right?

  • all 73 books
  • as held in the past and present by the Church (if the definition had just hit the present, the Council Fathers could have opened a door to Reformation, in many Lutheran countries, Lutheranism was by then held by all clergy, since Catholic clergy had already been killed or exiled)
  • and as held by Church Fathers in consensus


Now, how could you distinguish the Concord formula from this using Scripture and how would Scripture not favour Trent IV over Concord, esp. given Matthew 28:20?

* Φιλολoγικά/Philologica: Certains ont une horreur de l'idée que Caïn et Seth aient épousé chacun une des sœurs
https://filolohika.blogspot.com/2025/09/certains-ont-une-horreur-de-lidee-que.html

** Can I, pretty please, make an Inigo Montoya reference in revenge for his Sandler skits, adding a perspective that simply isn't there in the words?

There are Good People on Both Sides


Doesn't mean both sides are good, but means even on the wrong side, people who are decent still are around:

A Man Who Debates Charlie Kirk Breaks His Silence After He Was Killed ...
StateOfDaniel | 13 Sept. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKEoi7pQ8F4


I'm reminded what the leader of the (so far presumably illegal) Socialist Party in Spain said, when Franco died.

He was offered Champagne to celebrate and answered:

"I will not drink to the death of a Spaniard!"


The latest Franco biography I read was by Castillo (Les temps de Franco, I think) who, as a Socialist, and after honestly given all the honourable gestures Franco did, like saving Moscardó, couldn't omit that one honourable gesture from his own side, and didn't need to, as it was on the subject, in context with Franco's death.

Saturday, September 13, 2025

Catholic Men's Podcast = America Needs Fatima


RIP Charlie Kirk: What Do We Do Now?
The Catholic Men's Podcast | 12 Sept. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG1HDsgxTU8


3:42 Correction on detail. The Soviets or Russians were occupying a quarter of Vienna and a quarter of Austria, precisely as with a quarter of Berlin and a quarter of Germany.

In Germany, East Berlin and East Germany didn't get liberated from the Communists until 1989. In Austria it was, thanks to the Rosary, just to 1955.

I was born in the former American Zone of Vienna.

4:51 It can be mentioned about Mariazell, if Pavlicec went there early in 1945, he was courageous:

1945 zog die Rote Armee der Sowjetunion in Mariazell ein und nahm mit 5000 Mann Quartier; als Teil der Steiermark kam der Ort aber später im Jahr zur britischen Besatzungszone.

Answering Charlie Kirk on Mariology


Mary is the Solution to Toxic Feminism
Charlie Kirk | 23 July 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzUBMlqF1tA


SINLESS

3:18 Yes, I believe Mary was sinless.

Blessed among women be Jahel the wife of Haber the Cinite, and blessed be she in her tent 25 He asked her water and she gave him milk, and offered him butter in a dish fit for princes 26 She put her left hand to the nail, and her right hand to the workman's hammer, and she struck Sisara, seeking in his head a place for the wound, and strongly piercing through his temples 27 At her feet he fell: he fainted, and he died: he rolled before her feet, and he lay lifeless and wretched
[Judges 5:24-27]

And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women 29 Who having heard, was troubled at his saying, and thought with herself what manner of salutation this should be
[Luke 1:28-29]

Like, She couldn't remember a particular man rolling down lifeless at Her feet.

And it came to pass, that when Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the infant leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb
[Luke 1:41-42]

So, who was writing lifeless at Her and Her Son's feet? Wait, that reminds Her of something:

And the Lord God said to the serpent: Because thou hast done this thing, thou art cursed among all cattle, and beasts of the earth: upon thy breast shalt thou go, and earth shalt thou eat all the days of thy life I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel
[Genesis 3:14-15]

This is when She brightens up for real. If Satan was "Her Sisera" it means, Sin never dominated Her, since Sin would have been his victory, not Hers over him.

And recall, She had victory over him before the pregnancy. Revise the angel's words ...

And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women [Luke 1:28] Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus [Luke 1:31]

So, She had been defeating Satan before God Almighty became Man in Her womb. She wasn't omnipotent Herself. The only victory She could already have is where Adam and Eve were defeated. No. Single. Sin.

ASSUMED INTO HEAVEN

3:50 Yes, Mary was assumed into Heaven:

And the temple of God was opened in heaven: and the ark of his testament was seen in his temple, and there were lightnings, and voices, and an earthquake, and great hail [Apocalypse (Revelation) 11:19]
And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars [Apocalypse (Revelation) 12:1]

So, the Woman of Apocalypse 12 is in the end of Apocalypse 11 described as the "ark of his covenant" and if this means the new covenant, that Ark is Mary.

Elisabeth reacts to Mary, like David to the Ark:

And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me
[Luke 1:43]

And David was afraid of the Lord that day, saying: How shall the ark of the Lord come to me?
[2 Kings (2 Samuel) 6:9]

The two covenantal arks contain the same thing, in symbol and in actual fact:

  • mannah, because Jesus is the bread from Heaven
  • stone tablets, because Jesus' heart in Mary's womb is the noblest engraving of God's law
  • rod of Aaron brought to flourish, because Jesus is born of a virgin and will rise from the dead.


Since the temple of God was opened in Heaven and the Ark was there it means Mary is in Heaven.

4:20 For all have sinned, and do need the glory of God.
[Romans 3:23]

Doesn't textually say "except Jesus" ... we agree Jesus is excepted, you should agree the exception is not stated, so, how could a person so close to Jesus be absolutely barred from also being an exception, especially as "blessed among women" actually indicates this?

SEMPER VIRGO

4:43 What is this temple gate:

And the Lord said to me: This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall pass through it: because the Lord the God of Israel hath entered in by it, and it shall be shut
[Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 44:2]

Is Jesus the Lord the God of Israel?

You know He is, right?

Friday, September 12, 2025

External Locus of Control — Enemies of Free Speech (One Against, One For Heschmeyer)


This is Why they Killed Charlie Kirk
Shameless Popery | 11 sept. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaWdyJR7SSY


9:49 Does it ever happen that someone on the poorer end of incomes and social connections actually has his life pretty actively mismanaged by others?

Because, once someone has people telling each other and third party that so and so needs others to step in, take responsibility for him or so, then these people are in a golden position to push the person even further away from actually getting back some kind of control over his circumstances, barring radical measures, not limited to violent ones.

And if you can also push the narrative that "external locus of control" is a "predictor of violence" they have an even more golden position to demonise that person and tell each other and third party why so and so can't be allowed to control his life "right now"

A culture of assassination, so far, so good. I agree such circumstances exist, I actually honour Franco's uprising in 1936 precisely because the goal was to end such a thing in the Second Republic Spain. We agree.

Blaming the internet? You may have a clear point in blaming specific sites for specific positions. Blueskye for assassination glorification. 4chan, perhaps Gab too, for pushing gun liberties to where guns become accessible to Robin Westman. On the other hand, one may have a point, no law will control every gun. But equally, no singling out of one single type of scene will eliminate group mentalities that in various ways glorify violence. Owning a gun, fine, but how many people on those sites would recommend to shoot first and ask questions later or call the police if you saw a homeless man intrude into precincts around your habitation in the obvious purpose of putting down his sleeping bag under the cover of your garage or the entrance of your apartment block? While celebrating murder is evil, so is celebrating oppression, sometimes to the point of manslaughter.

But when what you demonise is not a specific ideologeme, but a statement about your situation which can arguably be a true one in some cases, sorry, but you are backing oppression.

What was the journal you were citing again? Catholics shouldn't cite such statements from such journals. Catholics shouldn't be encouraged to believe in shrinks. These have been used to oppress Christians as such since the time of Khrushchev. They have been in oppressive business (with Christian victims, though for other reasons) even longer. Check Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR) on the history of psychiatry, including drapetomania.

You are right that I would not be saying this to you face to face. You would interrupt me before I got very far, and presumably in a cordial manner, I'd be momentarily disarmed, and when we parted, I'd be able to kick my own ass for not having said this or not having said that.

But it doesn't mean I don't really mean it, and it actually doesn't mean I dishumanise you by stating these things. Don't end up in positions which, if bishops of older times (like in a council of Meaux in presumably 845, the canon relevant not being limited to Jews) had now been alive, they would have excommunicated you.

10:09 I actually keep and keep and keep trying, and people keep and keep and keep showing me, they don't intend to hand me back control over my life.

With 13 000 + blogposts, many of which are essays, most of which not about my life or my complains, and most of which on subjects that would be interesting in apologetics, to geeks, or to geeks who are into apologetics, I should be able to make a living as a writer.

I find it useless to turn to Hachette or Flammarion, they are on the Evolutionist side. I find it useless to turn to small trad and patriotic publishers in France, I have tried and tried. Whether their point is, a homeless can't get an education to have something interesting to say, or a person who didn't grow up in a French speaking country can't learn good enough French or this or that or sundry of my positions (like preferring Ukraine over Russia ... though not to supporting the bombing of Moscow) rubs them the wrong way, they seem decided (last time I checked) to treat me like a nice guy, but one they can simply ignore. If I try to get a following among young people who haven't started their carreeres yet, in the hope of one of them starting a publishing house with my writings as a starting point, I'm getting demonised both as a "bad influence on the internet" and possibly even as a potential predator.

There are situations where doing the right thing won't get you anywhere. There are people from whom others have taken control away over their lives, and in my case this has not happened legally, I have never been condemned to what's happening now.

10:51 Thanks for mentioning Lukianoff.

In 2021 Lukianoff coined the term Weimar Fallacy in reference to the idea that too much free speech is the true cause of the horrors of Nazi Germany and the Holocaust. Lukianoff noted of the Weimar Republic government's campaign of widespread shutdown of Nazi newspapers that: "in a two-year period, they shut down 99 in Prussia alone — but they accelerated that crackdown on speech as the Nazis ascended to power. Hitler himself was banned from speaking in several German states from 1925 until 1927."


I'm probably a victim of that fallacy. I support, like Connor Estelle, Franco, for several things, including ending a period of assassination culture, as well as upholding bans on abortion and introducing bans on freemasonry. For this reason, some see me as an equivalent of Hitler. And find denials or, when that's too blatantly illegal, sabotage of free speech and of the freedoms others have to consult me, including by outright calumny, to be the best way to "avoid making the Weimar mistake".

I've cited wiki referring to:

Eric Berkowitz’s new book ‘Dangerous Ideas’ is a masterpiece, but I have some quibbles
by Greg Lukianoff May 7, 2021
https://www.thefire.org/news/blogs/eternally-radical-idea/eric-berkowitzs-new-book-dangerous-ideas-masterpiece-i-have-some


12:24 Here I'd clearly agree.

What happened with Milo is unacceptable, as well as obviously what happened to his supporter.

And it's very well related to the kind of hate crime Charlie Kirk was killed in.

13:25 "broken bodies" may be a reference to remarks he apologised for considering the age of consent ...

13:25 bis, if it refers to Gazawis, it seems that they were barking up the wrong tree. Milo is not a known supporter of Israel.

24:41 "Christ or Chaos" is a booktitle too. I recalled Dorothy Sayers vaguely, but her book is "Creed or Chaos", while "Christ or Chaos" is a 2016 book by Dan DeWitt.

Tunisians on the Flotilla and on Palestine


The Media Won't Show You THAT in Tunisia
Brent Timm | 11 Sept. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2RBZz6vN4o

Someone Cancelled Charlie Kirk by Direct Violence, Someone is Cancelling Me in Other Ways


The killing of Charlie Kirk. My statement
Metatron's Academy | 12 Sept. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JMySiIobcQ




The link I gave in the comment that immediately disappeared:

Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: ... on Flood and Mind, part 2
Thursday, January 30, 2014, Posted by Hans Georg Lundahl at 1:54 AM
https://assortedretorts.blogspot.com/2014/01/on-flood-and-mind-part-2.html


And it seems I was wrong, this link is not where I interacted with Thunderf00t, but I just mentioned having interacted with him earlier. Yes, I actually debated Thunderf00t before Charlie Kirk started his debates on Turning Point USA:

Creation vs. Evolution: thunderf00t ... did you actually say that? (part 1)
mercredi 14 novembre 2012, Publié par Hans Georg Lundahl à 09:34
https://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2012/11/thunderf00t-did-you-actually-say-that.html


So, what's the relevance of Thunderf00t, you may ask? Metatron brought him up as one of the bad actors who liked that Charlie had been shot. Hence my comment in 11:54 to above video.

What's the relevance of me debating anyone, anytime? Well, debating is what Charlie Kirk did. Some would say, that's exactly what he was shot for.

And probably also exactly why my comments have started disappearing from under videos, perhaps a year ago ...

Thursday, September 11, 2025

Am I Too Concerned with Numbers?


A Warning to Those Who Want to Be a Catholic Content Creator
The Religious Hippie | 10 Sept. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U5dCezyzCQ


0:18 Stop looking at crap you shouldn't be looking at.

Obviously does not involve Religious Hippie or Keith Nester.

In context, I thought it was a warning about ending like Charlie Kirk. Like ending the earthly existence, that is.

1:53 I personally need numbers, not least perhaps in France, so a parent can feel good about letting a 20 year old son or daughter start a publishing house.

I have 13 000 + blog posts, not all Apologetics or exploicitly Catholic, so, the problem wouldn't be "can I meet the deadlines" but the problem is, can I get readers.

Meanwhile, I need a publishing house, because my blogs are not monetised, so, anyone reading them is reading them for free, and that's how it should be. It's in order to get pages of real paper to turn that you should pay ... printer and binder, publisher and writer, that last person being me.

So, OK, if someone opened a publishing house in the US or if TAN or Angelus decided, they can already count on readers for me ... less certain in France so far.



[tried to add:

Case in point about the US:

États-Unis
75 + 443 + 84 + 165 + 241 + 423 + 8 + 530 + 72 + 39 + 14 + 76 + 75 + 43 + 69 + 104 + 78 + 991 + 188 + 33 + 318 + 15 + 396 + 80 + 45 + 38 + 16 + 68 = 4727 = 4.73 k
4.73 k + 22.2 k + 9.02 k + 1.72 k + 1.71 k + 5.65 k + 8.16 k + 2.45 k + 2.04 k + 5.64 k + 1.7 k + 1.26 k + 1.01 k + 1.44 k + 1.87 k = 70.6 k

Those are stats for one week = 10 k per day.

Meanwhile, in France, I had a rise from a low at 12 per day to 31 per day.]

Tuesday, September 9, 2025

Heschmeyer Defends the Rosary, Half Bad, Half Good


Or quarter bad, three quarters good.

Does the Bible Condemn the Rosary ? (Answer to DLM Christian Lifestyle)
Shameless Popery | 9 Sept. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc-uFyfpGG4


2:34 I avoid the term "unbiblical" or at least try to.

Instead of this, if its not in the Bible as such, I speak of not Biblical or extra-Biblical. Or not explicitly Biblical.
If it's against the Bible, I use the term "anti-Biblical" ...

4:56 I don't think mechanical repetition cuts it either.

When praying the Rosary, and when distracted, one time after time would at least for a few moments fall into mechanical repetition, before you start thinking of the fact you were praying and supposed to meditate on mysteries. So, if "mechanical repetition" were the issue, the Rosary would be, if not forbidden, at least inadvisible. Just as going into a bar with ten friends who are already a bit tipsy doesn't automatically mean you drink alcohol, but is likely to lead to it, and that would be inadvisible to an alcoholic (which I'm not) needing total abstinence to recover.

In fact, Jesus gives us a clue. He says "like the heathens" and He doesn't mean in context Hindoos, Buddhists or Muslims, He means Greco-Roman pagans and a few more.

We have a Pagan prayer from the same year, sixteenth year of Tiberius. It's in the very end of Velleius Paterculus. There is nothing mechanical, and there are no overt verbal repetitions about it.

The kind of stuttering one can read into it is the stuttering of a nervous person. Like Edmund stuttering to the White Witch, once he's in her palace.

Velleius is starting over and over again, in the hope of getting to exactly the right divinity with words exactly calculated to appeal to that divinity to have the prayer answered. Including epithet. Perhaps he didn't get it right with Upholding Jove (Jupiter Stativus), so, he turns to Mars too (forgetting his epithet) and to Vesta (forgetting hers) ... with all those pleas, surely one of them must be the right plea to explain to one of the gods why it's a good idea for them to hear what he's asking?

It's obviously the exact opposed confidence He's inviting us to have to God, Who knows our needs and cares for us, before we speak. The boy who had anular pancreas didn't run around between Carlo Acutis, Thérèse of Lisieux, God the Father, God the Son, making exquisite speeches meant to make a good impression. He prayed with a relic of Carlo Acutis in the simplest possible words and had a full meal that very evening, without throwing up.

5:01 No, a mechanic repetition is NOT what Jesus warns against.

1) That's "thrallein" (like you would do when learning a verb paradigm or learning the lyrics of a song) and the thing banned is "battalogein" (stutter-speak)
2) That's not an issue with the then and there paganism.

If you'd object to this referring to Pervigilium Veneris, which repeats over and over again "cras amet qui nunquam amavit, quique amavit cras amet" this text is so late it is, while overtly Pagan, pretty certainly influenced by Christianity and perhaps even done by Christians cosplaying as Pagans, unless it's by Tiberianus (Neo-Platonic, on that account somewhat closer to Christians than a Classic pagan), and on top of that, it's not even a prayer.

Pretending Jesus warns against mechanic repetition is taking over bad theology and exegesis from Protestants.

11:30 In this second part, you are much better than on Matthew 6:7.

You have nailed it, a certain objection is logical only if it comes from JWs, Muslims or Jews (not meaning Jews for Jesus, but like Tovia Singer). From any actual Christian, it's totally demented.

13:25 Wait, is that also rooted in Charles Spurgeon?

I was just aware of his (rather selective) idea of persisting until someone is saved, or if in fact damned, he should be dying cursing those who tried to save him.

For some reason, he never applied this treatment to politicians causing a manmade starvation on Ireland, but only to the poor, not least people in the street ...

If ever I do make some kind of fan fic on Nimrod, I think I need to make him a Gnostic as well as a slave hunter, considering Spurgeon.

They make a curious exception for a material Bible, printed on paper, though. Their one material sacramental, one would say ...

Climate Clown for Palestine? Or Does "Doom Goblin" Have a Point?


Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Those Critics Are Missing a Distinction · Climate Clown for Palestine? Or Does "Doom Goblin" Have a Point? · New blog on the kid: The Man Who Launched Greta

This man has misanalysed Greta about the village / coal mine arrests before. The German police didn't have any orders to obstruct reporting, they only had orders to obstruct the human obstructions to a coal mine. This man who thinks in terms of Brasilian police misunderstood it. Now he's at it again, but this time he's at least curious.

Greta Thunberg caught in her BIGGEST LIE ever
The Body Language Guy | 7 Sept. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbZ__5xeemg


2:46 Have you heard of the nuclear waste problem?

There was a time when nuclear power was more of an environmental issue than carbon emissions, I'm kind of from that era and kind of suspect carbon scares have been fabricated to repromote nuclear power (except in Iran, of course).

Plus, obviously, if you have nuclear plants in a country, and someone else wants to damage it, they are an easy target with high potential for damage.

4:20 Living longer and healthier?

More like, if you lived long in earlier ages, you were healthy, but if you do now, it happens you are a product of pharmaceutic dependencies.

Fewer wars? Perhaps fewer micro-wars and feuds, but more prolonged wars and conclicts running and rerunning into wars.

If we look to war deaths in the European population, in % it's basically an escalation from 1200's to 1900's, except that the 1600's (with the Thirty Years' War) stands out as the worst prior to the 1900's and the two World Wars.

6:31 Have you heard of storage of nuclear waste, again?

The formation that makes up Yucca Mountain was created by several large eruptions from a caldera volcano and is composed of alternating layers of ignimbrite (welded tuff), non-welded tuff, and semi-welded tuff. The volcanic units have been tilted along fault lines, thus forming the current ridge line called Yucca Mountain. In addition to these faults, Yucca Mountain is criss-crossed by fractures, many of which formed when the volcanic units cooled.


Is it just a coincidence that Shoshone living there have browner skin than typical NY state dwellers, where no one is storing nuke waste?

7:00 AI is if anything another argument against Nuclear Power.

7:26 everyone and everything follows money and power interests ... except Greta, famously didn't.

She refused to look at the money and power interests that would be upset by her activism. And as a bonus won some onto her side.

8:00 Greta actually isn't using Palestine as propaganda for Environmentalism.

She's badgered about the topic, and she answers. But she's not making a point about it herself.

How about that brilliant analysis of a girl pretended to be seen threatening with a knife and hatchet, when she's actually retreating?* Why are your analytic skills lower on this issue?

9:17 Greta has said "it has to do with climate justice" but how many others have used that language, when they are not being asked?

Rima Hassan? Thiago Avila? Liam Cunningham?

The point is, you don't wipe terrorists out by wiping out civilians. And it doesn't matter if you point guns and fire or block food access, either way you are wiping out civilians. The clowns, as you put it, have shown, beyond the shadow of a doubt, and confirmed by doctors working in Gaza, low access to food is NOT just an accident, but an actual goal of Israel.

There was a child who was getting a prothesis with Madleen, Israelis have so far not clarified the child actually got it after they arrested Greta in international waters, which is an act of piracy.

You call them clowns. "Be a clown, be a clown, all the world loves a clown" ... except those who for some reason haven't. Perhaps Netanyahu rewatched "It" a few times too often.

9:25 "The people who are financing her?"

Registered charities, whether you mean "Fridays for the Future" or "Freedom Flotilla" ...

If Red Cross goes to a rescue mission to a disaster struck country in Africa, those financing them are generally people who believe in that charity.

You don't ask "did Soros finance the Red Cross" even though Soros on occasion was a donor. You accept that the Red Cross functions, mainly, because of people like you and me spending some coffee change on donating to the Red Cross a few times a year. Plus some richer people want to make tax deductions. Well, Fridays for the Future, the charity that she helped to open up a few years ago, and Freedom Flotilla, the one she's working for currently, are also run as publically registered charities.

9:53 A clear example of "environmental racism" would be "we can't stock nuclear waste where white people live in hoards, but if the country is poor and inhabited by brown skinned people, we can use economic leverage to stock nuclear waste in their country" ... now, this is not the Palestinian case, what about hearing her sentence out?

10:17 How about this scenario. People in Europe access the same electrity. People in the Third World access the same nuclear waste ... I think that kind of sounds racist.

10:46 Yeah, what about countries which are invested in precisely because they produce things without expensive emission cleaning?

Oh, no one can emit those quantities of sulphur in Europe? The filters that would catch it are expensive and augment the production cost by ten to twenty percent? Well, there are countries that can't afford to sit on their high horses when it comes to enforcing regulations. Like because they are endebted ...

I would call that solution environmentally racist. Pushing the pollution to poorer people with fewer regulations because they live in the Global South and suffer Neo-Colonialism.

Get children working in a dangerous unhealthy mine in Europe? You go to prison. Make someone do it in Africa? Georgia Meloni just pointed out that France is earning money that way.

11:17 She basically said "if all we care about is a clean environment in First World Countries, that's a luxury and privilege" ... or in other words, man made starvation is worse than man made pollution (if the levels are anywhere like supposed to be safe).

11:38 Climate welfare: people in Europe and (most states of) the US and Canada have a clean environment.
Climate justice: we don't buy that by pushing the pollution on poorer countries which can't afford to regulate.
Broader justice: we don't want poorer people to suffer manmade starvation either.

The only point where she was unclear was she didn't verbally distinguish climate justice from broader justice as two different concepts.

Apart from that, she has basically repeated the Swedish King Oscar II saying "not free trade, but fair trade" ... I bet she bought choclate and her parents coffee from Max Havelaar before Fridays for the Future.




* It exactly parallels my own analysis of the white mother who confronted a Somali child who had taken her own child's toy without asking. The video of her repeating the N word is a video with her retreating with her own baby, and being harrassed by a man with a phone with a camera, not a video of her chasing someone else's child.

How did ancient people learn foreign languages?


New blog on the kid : How do Esquimaux Learn Tlingit? · Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: How did ancient people learn foreign languages?

How did ancient people learn foreign languages?
Metatron's Academy | 9 Sept. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se2dSupqsaw


haec domus - ho oikos
huius domus - tou oikou
huic domui - to oiko
hanc domum - ton oikon
o domus - o oike
ex hac domu - ek tou oikou
hac domu - to oiko

2:32 I just gave an example of formal class room instructions of Latin speakers in Greek and of Greek speakers in Latin.

Such school books have been found.

10:56 Do you know what a Liber Catonicus is?

A beginners' book in Latin, basically the Disticha Catonis and some similarily simple things.

Used both for speakers of Late Latin / Early Romance to acquire literary Latin, and for speakers of Germanic languages to acquire it too, the one as a register, the other as a language.

It has been in use from the time of St. Ambrose roughly to the time of Benjamin Franklin.

Friday, September 5, 2025

Revisiting Breivik


Q
How does speaking Norwegian give you a different lens on international news, especially regarding the Nordic region or energy?
https://www.quora.com/How-does-speaking-Norwegian-give-you-a-different-lens-on-international-news-especially-regarding-the-Nordic-region-or-energy/answer/Hans-Georg-Lundahl-2


Hans-Georg Lundahl
amateur linguist
5.IX.2025
I recall one item.

French media in 2011 reported that Norwegian Police had reported that the perpetrator was a “Fundamentalist Christian” …

I quickly found out he was anything but. The day after the killing, the Norwegian Freemasons, the “Johannislosjen” excluded Breivik because of his behaviour being at odds with Masonic values.

I linked to the pages on my blog, but they are taken down now. Meanwhile, it is very clear, Norwegian authorities are clueless about religion, and mistook “identitarian Christian” (someone who believes in Christian heritage being part of the National heritage, what Breivik clearly did believe) with “fundamentalist Christian” (someone who believes the doctrines and sacred scriptures of Christianity are literally true, which Breivik clearly did not believe).

Eva Vlaardingerbroek and I are Antivaxxers


Eva Vlaardingerbroek explique pourquoi les droits naturels sont « érodés » par les gouvernements ...
APT | 27 Aug. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR1g1YyhRdU


Back when I came out as a Trad, I was shocked when reading the Declaration of Human Rights by the European Council.

Article four:
....
3. For the purpose of this Article the term “forced or compulsory labour” shall not include:
...
(c) any service exacted in case of an emergency or calamity threatening the life or well-being of the community;
...

Article five
...
No one shall be deprived of his liberty save in the following cases and in accordance with a procedure prescribed by law:
...
e) the lawful detention of persons for the prevention of the spreading of infectious diseases, of persons of unsound mind, alcoholics or drug addicts or vagrants;
...

Article eight
...
2 There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except ...for the protectionof health or morals ....
...

Article nine
...
2 Freedom to manifest one's religion or beliefs shall be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society .... for the protection of ... health or morals ...

Article ten
...
2 The exercise of these freedoms ... may be subject to such ... restrictions ... for the protection of health or morals ...

Article eleven
...
2 No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights other than ... for the protection of health or morals ...


I'm against these declarations of human rights, because, a Christian and a Satanist enjoy equal religious freedom, and ... an actually free man and a mental patient, or by now an anti-vaxxer, don't.

I'm obviously for the human rights that are the inverse of the human duties of the Decalogue, as traditionally understood by the Catholic Church.

Sunday, August 31, 2025

Gaza and Prophecy


What Gaza has revealed: how Christians are wrong about Biblical Prophecy
Wholehearted Ness Podcast | 30 Aug. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p5pAonQKEc


Did you mention to your friend that Catholic commentary traces the fulfilment of those prophecies pretty much to the time of Alexander the Great, or for some even Nebuchadnezzar?

Sophonias 2:6

6 And the sea coast shall be the resting-place of shepherds, and folds for cattle:


Haydock comment:

Ver. 6. Shepherds. Merchants shall come no longer, the country being subdued by Nabuchodonosor, and by the Machabees, ver. 7. --- Alexander ruined Gaza. (Curt. iv.)


So, does Netanyahu believe he is a soldier of Alexander of Macedon? Or, does your Christian (?) friend believe he is?

Saturday, August 30, 2025

A Tolkien Fan Misrepresents Anne Catherine Emmerick and Pius XII


That is, he probably gives an accurate account of her life, but he misrepresents the content of her text, to, with her holiness, bolster his misreading of her as "real prophecy" ... it obviously isn't because he is missciting her.


Evolution and The Fall of Man — Analog Episode 7
Mabel Media | 7 May 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeND7hU5ZzA


I think you misrecall Anne Catherine Emmerick as much as you misconstrue Humani Generis.

You basically don't know what you are talking about.

Here is her text* about Cain's fear:

But when God replied that Abel’s blood cried to Him from the earth, Cain grew more troubled, and I saw that he disputed long with God. God told him that he should be cursed upon the earth, that it should bring forth no fruit for him, and that he should forthwith flee from the land in which he then dwelt. Cain responded that everywhere his fellow men would seek to kill him. There were already many people upon the earth. Cain was very old and had children. Abel also left children, and there were other brothers and sisters, the children of Adam. But God replied that it would not be so; that whoever should kill Cain should himself be punished sevenfold, and He placed a sign upon him that no one should slay him. Cain’s posterity gradually became colored. Cham’s children also were browner than those of Sem. The nobler races were always of a lighter color. They who were distinguished by a particular mark engendered children of the same stamp; and as corruption increased, the mark also increased until at last it covered the whole body, and people became darker and darker. But yet in the beginning there were no people perfectly black; they became so only by degrees.


There is one phrase which could at first seem to support you, namely "There were already many people upon the earth."

This is however an area of agreement between Fundies and yourself.

What doesn't support you is the explanation: "Cain was very old and had children. Abel also left children, and there were other brothers and sisters, the children of Adam."

After that a little hint at what could be considered as racism** ...




[The following disappeared, perhaps the videasts hate what St. Augustine was saying ... seeing the man was classifying it as blasphemy in the video]

And you misconstrue St. Augustine.

It is indeed possible he did utter in books 4 to 6 some kind of repudiation of literal days from the reason you gave, but painstakingly in book 1 he had precisely explained how a 24 h day was possible before the creation of the sun (in clearly Geocentric terms). But his alternative to 6 literal days was not millions or billions of years, but one single moment.

Furthermore, you accuse him of blasphemy, because he did defend sibling marriages in the generation after Adam and Eve.

For it is very reasonable and just that men, among whom concord is honorable and useful, should be bound together by various relationships; and one man should not himself sustain many relationships, but that the various relationships should be distributed among several, and should thus serve to bind together the greatest number in the same social interests. Father and father-in-law are the names of two relationships. When, therefore, a man has one person for his father, another for his father-in-law, friendship extends itself to a larger number. But Adam in his single person was obliged to hold both relations to his sons and daughters, for brothers and sisters were united in marriage. So too Eve his wife was both mother and mother-in-law to her children of both sexes; while, had there been two women, one the mother, the other the mother-in-law, the family affection would have had a wider field. Then the sister herself by becoming a wife sustained in her single person two relationships, which, had they been distributed among individuals, one being sister, and another being wife, the family tie would have embraced a greater number of persons. But there was then no material for effecting this, since there were no human beings but the brothers and sisters born of those two first parents. Therefore, when an abundant population made it possible, men ought to choose for wives women who were not already their sisters; for not only would there then be no necessity for marrying sisters, but, were it done, it would be most abominable. For if the grandchildren of the first pair, being now able to choose their cousins for wives, married their sisters, then it would no longer be only two but three relationships that were held by one man, while each of these relationships ought to have been held by a separate individual, so as to bind together by family affection a larger number. For one man would in that case be both father, and father-in-law, and uncle to his own children (brother and sister now man and wife); and his wife would be mother, aunt, and mother-in-law to them; and they themselves would be not only brother and sister, and man and wife, but cousins also, being the children of brother and sister. Now, all these relationships, which combined three men into one, would have embraced nine persons had each relationship been held by one individual, so that a man had one person for his sister, another his wife, another his cousin, another his father, another his uncle, another his father-in-law, another his mother, another his aunt, another his mother-in-law; and thus the social bond would not have been tightened to bind a few, but loosened to embrace a larger number of relations.


City of God, Book 15, Chapter 16. Citing part of the first paragraph.***

In other words, it was not against the natural law for Cain, Abel and Seth to marry their sisters.




Let me get this straight.

A) You say some kind of people of Homo sapiens type preexisted Adam and Eve, but weren't created for a relation with God;
B) The Evolutionary Timeline holds, as per dating methods
C) Adam was in this Evolutionary timeline created 6000 years ago.

In this perspective, Americas and Oceania, peopled "before 6000 years ago" should, in pre-Columbian times, have been peopled by pre-Adamites.

A position held once by Isaac La Peyrère and condemned by the Catholic Church, his book was on the latest edition of the Index Librorum in 1948.

How would you get around that?

Universal Flood? Yeah, sure, Anzick 1 was a pre-Adamite, but his relatives were wiped out 4500 years ago, and replaced later on by descendants of Adam via Noah?

Won't work. If the Flood was in 2468 BC in the Evolutionary timeline, it had to be local or regional. Egyptians were Egyptian before and after that date, if we equate the real and Biblical date to carbon dates, Chinese were Chinese before and after, Japanese were Jomon before and after and so on. So, the Americas were American and Oceania was Pacific before and after.

You'd have a pretty good case for Isaac La Peyrère, and so against the Catholic Church.

Meanwhile, you'd be very hard pressed philosophically to motivate how a "very clever animal" could have developed language and all the things you pretend specimens of Homo sapiens were doing before 6000 years ago "without being the image of God" and you have no theological business to pretend "image of God" only means, the empirically not very directly verifiable "created for a relation with God" ...

* The complete visions of Anne Catherine Emmerich : The Old Testament – Part 2
http://annecatherineemmerich.com/complete_visions/volume_1_the_old_testament/the-old-testament-part-2/


** A lady who was a fervent believer in Anne Catherin Emmerick was also a very nice mother in law to a daughter in law who was black. "The curse is not on the individual" ...

*** The City of God (Book XV)
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/120115.htm

Wednesday, August 27, 2025

Heschmeyer and Myself on Why Not Orthodox?


HGL's F.B. writings: If the Church is Very Reduced, the Pope Is at Some Risk of Being Bamboozled by Bigger Actors · Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Brian Holdsworth and Myself on Why Not Orthodox · Heschmeyer and Myself on Why Not Orthodox?

Why I am Not Eastern Orthodox
Shameless Popery | 26 Aug. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKrRzk94j2E


I can break down my reasons for reverting from Romanian Orthodox into two things.

They lie or are wrong. They hate.

They lie or are wrong.

  • Jesuit Inquisitors, or in an updated version, Franciscan Inquisitors, didn't condemn Peter the Aleut to death for refusing to commune in azymes. And it wasn't executed by their servants cutting small piece after small piece from his body, like Persians had done to St. John of Persia to whom incidentally Hermann of Alaska had a devotion, him being the missionary telling his Aleuts "if you go down to California, be very careful to not commune in azymes" ...
  • Speaking of azymes, Michael Caerularius was wrong in saying Jesus never celebrated the Seder, but some kind of pre-allusion to it. Prepare everything for the feast (that would include getting rid of leavened bread).
  • Paul (de Ballester-Convallier) of Nazianzus did not in a Catholic library find St. Robert Bellarmine saying "if the pope were to teach error or evil, the Church then is obliged", as claimed, but that could be a Protestant mistranslation (not featured in his story of leaving Catholicism, as he is supposed to have found Bellarmine in a Catholic library).
  • If Kallistos Ware honestly thought that "filioque was decided at Third Council of Toledo" when Catholic Visigoths could be overreacting to Arian Visigoths, he was wrong. It is verbatim found in the confession of faith against Priscillianists at the FIRST Council of Toledo, ending in 400, so, when Hosius of Cordoba was a likelier influence than St. Augustine of Hippo.
  • Hosius of Cordoba met St. Athanasius. I happen to favour Quicumque as really being by him. ONE argument against it is "it includes" (with a slightly different wording) "the filioque" which is circular. Another is "St. Athanasius wrote Greek" ... he spent two years or so in exile in Trier, which wasn't very Greek speaking, so if he didn't learn any Latin, he'd have been lazy as a missionary. There were already Jews in Trier and some parts of Quicumque read like a direct response to the argument from Shema.


They hate.

  • Modernist Orthodox hate Fundamentalism. Being against condoms isn't a hit with them, neither is being YEC or Geocentric. Ratzinger was uncharitable with his comments on Africa, if you ask them (that's when I knew I had to get back to Roman and solid ground)
  • Trad Orthodox hate Catholicism. How can you even imagine being Orthodox, when you neither abjured Papism nor got a Baptism by three Immersions from an Orthodox priest?
  • Middle of the road like Romanides and Metallinos hate both. Filioque breaks the god breathed therapeutic experience of hesychastic prayer and so does believing in the literal truth of Genesis 5 and 11 genealogies. Either way, you are back into "religion", a psycho-physic disease.


I cannot say this covers the Patriarchate of Antioch, but that was not available to me or accessible to me in 2006.


Smaller comments


6:54 In top of that, there are EO where there are Copts.

Catholics both have Uniate Copts and Uniate Melkites. Non-Uniate Melkites are EO, more precisely GO, in Egypt.

8:37 I do not agree with your quasi-total rejection of self-shepherding.

It would follow that conversions to the Catholic Church were illicit as following neither from Catholic shepherding (which by definition the convert didn't have when deciding to convert) nor from the previous whatever shepherd (who usually isn't converting).

In a similar manner, the Catholic Church hasn't condemned individual interpretation of the Bible. The Church has said (Trent IV, Vatican I) the interpretations must never contradict the position which the Church hath held and holds, nor the consensus of the CCFF. And also that making individual interpretation the supreme norm is not a recipe for unity (Mortalium Animos).

People who can't get a father confessor they trust or find a mass they find licit are not supposed to quit Catholicism altogether and people who on a question have no immediate access to the Church's interpretation are not at fault for daring one, unless it contradicts what the Church hath held and holds or contradicts the consensus of the CCFF.

9:57 Twenty.

Sunday, August 24, 2025

Brian Holdsworth and Myself on Why Not Orthodox


HGL's F.B. writings: If the Church is Very Reduced, the Pope Is at Some Risk of Being Bamboozled by Bigger Actors · Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Brian Holdsworth and Myself on Why Not Orthodox · Heschmeyer and Myself on Why Not Orthodox?

Reconsidering the Eastern Orthodox
Brian Holdsworth | 23 Aug. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4KyyoYFEBY


16:04 You are probably making too big a concession to the Orthodox by tracing the Western view to St. Augustine.

He wasn't a writer prior to being a bishop and in 395 he was made coadjutor.

However in 400, a council in Spain, Toledo I, mentioned the filioque basically "off topic" in a creed (off topic insofar as it's not apparent that Priscillian, whom the council was condemning, was denying it).

If the Church is Very Reduced, the Pope Is at Some Risk of Being Bamboozled by Bigger Actors
https://hglsfbwritings.blogspot.com/2025/06/if-church-is-very-reduced-pope-is-at.html


Concilium Toletanum primum
https://www.benedictus.mgh.de/quellen/chga/chga_043t.htm


Spiritum quoque esse paraclitum, qui nec pater sit ipse, nec filius, sed a patre filioque procedens.


This is before St. Augustine could reasonably have been influential in Toledo.

21:20 I think you overdo the problem in their own ecclesiology.

I'm a revert from the Orthodox, and I can relate to:
  • old territories under old jurisdictions
  • new territories (like lands to be Christened) or new old territories (like RC and Protestant lands) under whatever old jurisdiction comes there first.


In my own case, Russian was out of question, I'm a Swede, and Russia and Sweden have been enemies over centuries, both Charles XII and Gustavus IV Adolfus were opposing Czars in wars. On the other hand, I had been in Romania a few months of vacations when I was small and that was as close as I was to any Orthodox country at all. Now, less good reasoning. I was Neo-Himerite (corresponds to Patriarchate of Moscow) because I wanted to hold a hand in each direction of both Catholic Trads and Palaeo-Himerites (corresponds to Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia).

In my experience, Orthodox may have a harsh attitude on Catholics or a harsh attitude on Trads/Fundies, or both. But it's not neither. Perhaps I could have had that with Antioch, but wasn't available.

So having some Orthos frown on me because I didn't totally renounce Catholicism (I didn't abjure, and also didn't abjure on my return), others would do so because I was too traddy or fundie.

[Above apparently disappeared, as I saw when I tried to add the first of the two following lines]

Palaeo-Himerites never accepted me, and a Neo-Himerite Pentecost sermon criticised Antipope Ratzinger for exactly the wrong reason, pretending his view on condoms was uncharitable to Africans.

That's when I returned.

Saturday, August 23, 2025

Answering Jayni Jackson


The One Question That Shuts Down the Catholic and Orthodox ‘Authority’ Trap
Jayni Jackson | 16 Aug. 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02FmU-NfmkE


3:05 Seing he had already done that once before, at the beginning of His Ministry, the priests certainly had thought of that.

9:38 "every Christian has a mandate to read the Bible for himself"

From Jesus or from Luther?

10:11 So glad you asked.

Under the authority of Moses. For instance Deuteronomy 13.

I'm not sure whether a representative of the Sanhedrin was among the Beroeans, but the duty of them to reject a false prophet is parallel to that of stoning a false prophet.

So, the Beroeans acted under the authority of the Old Law.

Jayni Jackson
@jaynijackson
@hglundahl That’s an interesting point, and it actually reinforces the very argument I’m making. If the Bereans were acting under the authority of the Mosaic Law, as you say, then their standard was still Scripture, not institutional tradition. Deuteronomy 13 doesn’t say “trust your leaders no matter what”—it says to test the prophet’s words against God’s revealed commands. If what they preach contradicts God’s Word, they are to be rejected—even if they come with signs and wonders.

That’s exactly what the Bereans did with Paul. They heard him preach and didn’t say, “He’s an apostle, so we must accept it.” They went home, opened the Scriptures, and tested him. That’s the heart of the point: authority doesn’t override the need for discernment, and discernment must be anchored in the Word of God.

So whether you say they were acting under Moses or under general covenant responsibility, the takeaway is the same. Even an apostle was not above being examined. That’s not rebellion; it’s faithfulness.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@hglundahl
@jaynijackson "then their standard was still Scripture, not institutional tradition."

Not quite. Non-Cohanim reading Scripture was not foreseen by Scripture, at least not the law of Moses, which stpiulated the High Priest had to read the law to the people once every seven years.

"Deuteronomy 13 doesn’t say “trust your leaders no matter what”—it says to test the prophet’s words against God’s revealed commands."

Catholicism doesn't say "trust your leaders no matter what" ... the command is immediately adressed to the leaders. However, in the time of Ezra these had stipulated that people who were interested should be studying the law even if they weren't priests or scribes. That's the foundation of the Pharisees.

"If what they preach contradicts God’s Word, they are to be rejected—even if they come with signs and wonders."

Roman Catholicism agrees. It's primarily the responsibility of ecclesia docens, that is Popes, Bishops of Dioceses, sui juris Abbots (and I think also generals of some orders like the Jesuits and Opus Dei).

"That’s exactly what the Bereans did with Paul."

Who was so far not one of their leaders. He was recognised as an Apostle by the Christians. He was recognised as "one of those Christians" by the Beroeans.

"They heard him preach and didn’t say, “He’s an apostle, so we must accept it.”"

Because they weren't accepting Apostles of Jesus in the first place, so far.

"They went home, opened the Scriptures, and tested him."

Who says they went home and opened the Scriptures there? I take it that Sts. Paul and Luke and a few more heard every part of the testing, as it was an openly conducted debate.

"authority doesn’t override the need for discernment,"

Cannot be the point, because St. Paul was at this point not yet an authority to them.

"and discernment must be anchored in the Word of God."

Indeed. And primarily in its continuity of the Christian faith, be conducted by clergy. The Beroeans were obviously at a point of discontinuity, when changing leaders, from Sanhedrin to Apostles.

"Even an apostle was not above being examined."

No one, and also not the word of God, is above being examined by an honest enquirer not yet accepting the authority.

Beroean Jews had a right and duty to examine the authority of Christian Apostles before submitting to it. A modern atheist who is a scientist or an archaeologist, has a right and duty to examine Genesis 1 to 11 before submitting to the Torah, the Tanakh or the whole of the Christian Bible.


10:18 If the Pope should ever teach heresy, under the authority of Pope Paul IV and a few more we should conclude he is no Catholic and therefore no Pope.

There are also Church Fathers and ultimately Jesus for this move.

Now, a counterquestion. If I can detect an otherwise apparent Pope as teaching heresy, is it by contrast with what daddy heard in Catechism more than 60 years ago, or is it by contrast with what a highly learned man dug up as the Bible really meaning, even if no one ever heard of it, despite everyone reading the Bible, or what that highly learned man assures us the early Church did before Constantine?

10:39 No Catholic will say you have no right to believe the Bible.

The question is whether you have the right to interpret it.

If you say things like Ephesians 2:8 to 9 prove, not just justification without previous works meriting it (which we also believe), but also without an obligation to works from justification on, we could ask "who gave you authority to omit verse 10?"

If you say things like Matthew 16:18 having Jesus as the rock, we could ask you "and who gave you authority to omit verse 19?"

If furthermore we say Matthew 16:19 is a clear parallel to Isaias 22:22 speaking of Eliacim, and you respond "nah, Peter and Eliacim are two different persons" we could ask "who gave you permission to interpret the OT as if it were not about Jesus?"

And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded to them in all the scriptures, the things that were concerning him
[Luke 24:27]


Did you note: "in all the scriptures"? ... all of the OT is about Himself.

Including the relation between the House of David (=Jesus Himself) and Eliacim (can you find a better candidate than Peter?)

10:51 You are aware that Beroeans were at that point not yet Christians?

11:13 An Apostle's teaching "was tested by the very word of God"' by people who had not yet accepted his authority as an Apostle.

This is not a blueprint for how Christians should behave to their pastors ...

11:24 F. F. Bruce is not an Apostle. Nor someone the Catholic Church accepts as a legitimate successor of them.

And, in this context, not someone that I see as very well analysing the situation of the Beroeans.

11:34 If what you are doing is discerning simply from the Scriptures you accept whether you should become Catholic, fine, you are following the Beroean model.

However, what it seems to me you are doing is looking for excuses to reject Catholic authority, which reminds me more of how some groups of Pharisees were dealing with Jesus.

Like "Beroean model" vs "Catholic model" ... won't fly. Bad excuse. While examining St. Paul they were not yet accepting him as authority, but they were open to it. They were like any Jew today asking if Catholicism fits the Torah ... and some conclude it does.

12:06 The dilemma you have painted falls apart.

Current Church teaching indeed has a standard to live up to (so, higher). 1) Bible. 2) Oral traditions codified in post-Biblical times. 3) Past Church teaching.

Biblically, whatever is the true Church has an assurance that this will not fall apart into contradictions. Matthew 28:20.

12:46 Found the quote:

5. But, as I had begun to say, let us not listen to “you say this, I say that” but let us listen to “the Lord says this.” Certainly, there are the Lord’s books, on whose authority we both agree, to which we concede, and which we serve; there we seek the Church, there we argue our case


St. Augustine is not arguing for indivudual Bible reading to decide individual belief. He's arguing to take a schism to the Bible, the one authority both parties claim to adher to.

A little later he goes on to warn against churches or interpretations found only in some nationalities:

But if the Church of Christ is delineated among all peoples with divine and most certain evidence of the canonical Scriptures, whatever they should bring to bear and whoever should read it should say Look! Here is the Messiah! Or, There he is! Let us rather hear, if we are his sheep, the voice of our pastor saying Do not believe it (Matth. XVIV, 23). Indeed, those individual churches are not found among many nations, where that Church is; but this Church, which is everywhere, is found even where they are. Therefore, we seek it in the holy canonical Scriptures.


Like if you go to Ethiopia, you are likier to find Catholics and Copts than Protestants. If you go to Austria, you are likelier to find Catholics and Protestants than Copts.

13:12 "not just to the clergy"

No, but principally. Timothy is selected as clergyman because he is expert on OT Scriptures. He's instructed on how to chose clergy:

Holding the mystery of faith in a pure conscience And let these also first be proved: and so let them minister, having no crime
[1 Timothy 3:9-10]


There are two criteria. Faith (to be judged by ordaining or consecrating bishop). Pure Conscience (to be judged by ordaining of consecrating bishop).

13:24 "the Beroeans weren't rabbis"

Did rabbis, as a distinct institution, even exist?

They were however Pharisees, i e students of the law, like Paul himself had been. They were not fishermen from Galilee.

14:15 No, there is nothing about either right or responsibility of weighing every single teaching of someone you already accept as your legitimate pastor ... unless you have reason to doubt he is such.

The key point is, Luke is describing the behaviour of Beroeans prior to becoming Christians, prior to accepting Paul as their authority.

The way you put it, it sounds as if Paul came in, held a speech, and then Beroeans at home verified. If that had been the case, how would Luke have known they verified? He obviously knew because they voiced the test criteria. "OK, but does this really match up with ...." and Paul answered.

This was not an ordinary occasion, it was a missionary one. Same problem that Sabbatarians have with the text, they think Paul worshipped mainly by preaching in the Synagogue. No, he worshipped at Holy Mass, on Sundays. He preached on Sabbaths, because he was a missionary. They voiced objections, because it was his duty to answer objections as a missionary.

14:44 "my allegiance is to Christ, and to Christ alone"

Can you source that in the Bible?

Daniel Kim
@danielkim672
Are you looking for a direct quote? Only Through Christ can we have salvation. Only Through Christ are we restored into relationship with God). Jesus is the Head of the Body, all Christians make up the Body, just like Jesus is the Head of the Church. And Just as Jesus is the Groom.

You will agree that God is explicitly taught to us to have allegiance in only God and to God alone. Jesus is God, so what is the issue with saying Christ Alone as well? The Spirit Alone? As just because he said Christ alone, doesnt imply Christ but not God or Holy Spirit.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@hglundahl
@danielkim672 "You will agree that God is explicitly taught to us to have allegiance in only God and to God alone."

Again, a written quote would be welcome.

You are here making a reasoning, a plea, and not giving a direct quote.

The allegiance of the Beroeans was not just to God and Moses on Sinai, but to all of what they had grown up in ... with a healthy conception that some of it could be temporary for up to the arrival of the Messiah.

Peace2U
@Peace2U-LM
@danielkim672 HELLO…. Whom ever hears you hears Me!

Daniel Kim
@Peace2U-LM sorry, not understanding your point

Daniel Kim
@hglundahl What type of verse are you looking for?

Exodus 20 And God spoke all these words, saying,

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God,


Deuteronomy 6:5 is only for God. Is there any teaching to give this to Moses?

In Isaiah 45:23. Is anyone bowing to Moses? Or any other human like we all will do for God? The only one everyone of God will swear allegiance to is God alone.

23 By myself I have sworn;
from my mouth has gone out in righteousness
a word that shall not return:
‘To me every knee shall bow,
every tongue shall swear allegiance.’


Peace2U
@danielkim672 Luke 10:16. Jesus gave his authority to His church.

Daniel Kim
@Peace2U-LM Of course Jesus gives authority to His Church, He is the head of the Church. But I am not sure I agree with you that is what Luke 10:16, Jesus is teaching this. First, this is before the church is formed. Second, this power and authority is given to the 72 disciples that were sent out. That is a specific number and not all of the disciples of Jesus at the time were sent out nor given this authority. This was a special power and direct given at a specific time by Jesus.

Peace2U
@danielkim672 The 72 were taught and ordained priests before they were sent. This is parallel with the 72 priests under Aaron in the OT.

One was not to teach unless sent by the church. Jesus refined the OT Priesthood.

Daniel Kim
@Peace2U-LM I do not disagree with you regarding teaching others that there is extra responsibilities with teachers as that is what the Bible teaches. But how do you jump to 'one was not to teach unless sent by the church'? Again the church was not established yet and Jesus is sending these 72 out not the church. I do know where you are leading with this, but I disagree.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@danielkim672 OK, if that's the standard of allegiance, yes.

But in ordinary life allegiance to a King doesn't mean you defy police officers because they are not personally the King himself.

So, the allegiance to God, to Jesus Who is God (thank you for sourcing "every knee shall bow" in the NT to Isaias, proving it is a statement of Jesus' Divinity) involves obedience to others than the King of Heaven Himself. Insofar as they act in His name, which the Apostles and their successors do.

@danielkim672 Jesus was, with His disciples, in the last 3 1/2 years before the New Covenant, dress rehearsing the Church.

The hierarchy that He established before (72, 12, Peter above the rest in each case) remains in the Church afterwards.

This is especially obvious with Peter ("I will build my Church, I will give thee the keys" in Matthew 16, as well as with the 12 / 11 ("all power is given me" is adressed to them, if you look at Matthew 28:16, the intro verse to the passage).

Peace2U
@danielkim672 Because the scriptural name given as “Apostle” means one who is sent out. Only these men were empowered by the one who sent them. Others who also went out without being sent did not receive condemnation however, because they were not in succession of Jesus taught truths plus errors. This is why there were many heresies. The early church fathers “those taught by Apostles” wrote several letters which make clear the meaning of much that the CC teaches throughout the centuries. If one doesn’t adhere and instead assumes for himself he often teaches others errors.

@danielkim672 The church did exist in its infancy yet not fully developed. Christ gave His authority to forgive sins to his church in the upper room. It’s not always easy to recognize someone from their baby pictures lol. To many Christians do not understand many passages unless they are denotatively written. It’s a shame that the English words used to replace the ancient Koine Greek cause a loss of understanding.

TickettoRide!!
@TickettoRide-b8x
Apostle Paul — everything is but dung compared to knowledge of Christ. Philippians 3.

@Peace2U-LM YOU: The 72 were taught and ordained priests before they were sent.
ME: No. Jesus ordained them as traveling APOSTLES who were PREACHING the Good News of Jewish Messiah/Redeemer Jesus. PRIESTS are those that do rituals in the Jewish Temple, APOSTLES are traveling preachers (Mark 16:15-16, Acts 1:8, etc) — and Jesus' Apostles were to travel/preach ONLY to the JEWS — Matthew 10:5-6, etc

@danielkim672 YOU: But how do you jump to 'one was not to teach unless sent by the church'?
ME: Thats a false Roman belief — Acts 9:15-16 — and Paul immediately started preaching without any contact with the Church in Jerusalem — Acts 9:20. It is GOD that gives the Holy Spirit GIFT of any particular ministry: preaching, apostle, teacher, etc — the church has nothing to do with it. 1Corinth 12.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@TickettoRide-b8x Compared to, yes, but if in relation to, no.

@TickettoRide-b8x "PRIESTS are those that do rituals"

Pertaining to a covenant, a sacrifice.

In the words of Institution, Jesus describes the chalice as a new covenant which is eternal, and in Malachi 1:11, the OT prophet describes a food offering as the sacrifice by which God's Name is Holy among the Gentiles.

But this question goes beyond the scope of the video, since the video is supposed to defend Sola Scriptura.

"Paul immediately started preaching without any contact with the Church in Jerusalem"

Not without any contact with Ananias, who already belonged to the Church, and the preaching in Acts 9:20 was a proclamation of a miracle witness, not ordinary doctrinal preaching. By the time Paul and Barnabas set fourth as teachers, they clearly are sent by the Church, and more specically ordained, see Acts 13.

@TickettoRide-b8x "It is GOD that gives the Holy Spirit GIFT of any particular ministry: preaching, apostle, teacher, etc — the church has nothing to do with it. 1Corinth 12."

Looking up the passage about the Spirit giving, that's about charismatic gifts, not about offices in the Church.

TickettoRide!!
@hglundahl YOU: not about offices in the Church
ME: LOL. It IS about offices in the church — see 1Corinth 12:27-28. Apostle, teacher...... Other offices such as Deacons/Bishops or those with other ministries such as "service", are voted on by the entire congregation/disciples based on certain qualifications (Acts 6:2-5) — such as Bishops MUST be married with well disciplined children in order to be QUALIFIED — 1Timothy 3:4-5. Sometimes it's even the least esteemed in the congregation that makes binding decisions — 1Corinth 6:4. The Roman hierarchy is NOT the Ekklesia/Church -- ekklesia means "congregation of believers, assembled believers, the called out ones".

Chris
@FreeTans239
Mat 10:34-39

TickettoRide!!
@FreeTans239 Matthew 15:1-9, 2Timothy 3:15-17

Chris
@TickettoRide-b8x what’s your point?

TickettoRide!!
@FreeTans239 That like Jesus, we are to use Scripture to CORRECT false doctrines of religious leaders (2Timothy 3:15-17) and to REJECT the added traditions of religious leaders (Matthew 15:1-9) — which will cause our friends and family to be our enemies (Matthew 10:34-36) — but if we are not willing to leave our families/friends to follow the truth of Jesus Christ, we are not worthy of Jesus (Matthew 10:37-39).

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@TickettoRide-b8x "see 1Corinth 12:27-28. Apostle, teacher"

In that exact passage it is "God has set" and doesn't specify how. The immediate context of "the Spirit ... according as he will" has been first replaced by the analogy of the body before coming to the point of a diversity of ministries, also known as hierarchy.

BOTH the charismatic gifts AND the body parts were leading up to this.

"are voted on by the entire congregation/disciples based on certain qualifications"

Your example from Acts 6 involved a very holy congregation. Not necessarily a model for how deacons are chosen hereafter, especially not an obliging model in case of a less holy congregation.

"such as Bishops MUST be married with well disciplined children in order to be QUALIFIED"

There is no requirement of marriage, just a maximum of wife as only one. Equally, there is no requirement of having children, just that if one has, they must be well educated.

1 Cor. 6:4 is actually not giving a regular hierarchic decision making, but making an outrageous proposal in the midst of a quarrel. It's not necessary the decision was binding simply because of them making it, it may have been confirmed by more responsible, but the decision delegated to the least esteemed in order to avoid a quarrel within the set of the most responsible.

"The Roman hierarchy is NOT the Ekklesia/Church"

Thanks for showing your fondness of strawmen. We believe that all believers ARE the Church, and the Church HAS a hierarchy, just as She did back then.

@TickettoRide-b8x "we are to use Scripture to CORRECT false doctrines of religious leaders (2Timothy 3:15-17)"

In 2 Tim 3, St. Paul was not instructing St. Tim to correct anything in "religious leaders" since he had already made St. Tim THE leader of Ephesus.

"to REJECT the added traditions of religious leaders (Matthew 15:1-9)"

That's not an "added tradition" in the Protestant sense, that's a simple compromise to make certain choices easier, like if your dad wanted to waste the perfume box on someone you didn't like (like Jesus).

What you need to look out for is not "anything in Roman Catholicism that you aren't used to finding in the Bible and therefore need to regard as an added tradition", but a recent compromise about choices that recently have become hard.

"if we are not willing to leave our families/friends to follow the truth of Jesus Christ, we are not worthy of Jesus (Matthew 10:37-39)."

Hence the duty to convert to Catholicism, even if some family members oppose it.


15:43 The Beroeans were pretty close to at least first year theology students and they were at the point described not being faithful to Jesus Whom they hadn't accepted yet, but to Moses.

16:04 When they consulted the Scriptures, it is very arguable they also consulted the Oral Torah, as still not yet adulterated among them by rejection of Christ, as it was going to be.

17:24 They discerned under the authority of Moses.

Daniel Kim
@danielkim672
Under the authority of Moses? Why would a dead Moses have authority over people thousands of years later? Under whose authority is and was Moses? Did Moses create the Ten Commandments or God? Did Moses create the Levitical Laws or God?

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@hglundahl
@danielkim672 God set the law up through Moses. This means Moses had authority.

The specific Pharisaic habit of non-cohanim and non-levites studying the law was set up by Ezra, under the authority of Ezra and so of Moses. It was not a requirement under the law of Moses, which only prescribed every seventh year the High Priest should read all of the law to all of the people.

In fact, one could in a sense say, they were even acting under the authority of the priests in the temple, but those priests (unless St. John the Gospeller was among them) were mainly apostates by rejecting Jesus, so, the authority of their persons being annulled, it devolves back to Ezra and Moses.

The point is, the Beroeans were acting, not simply under the authority of a written text, but of a whole ecclesial arrangement, that of the old law as it was in this Second Temple period. They were not braving a system to make personal Bible study their rule. They were hearing about a change of the system and checking whether it was warranted from within the Old Covenant, all of it, not just bare texts.

@danielkim672 You also miss that Jesus told the Pharisees "Moses will judge you" — Our Lord didn't think Moses lost authority by dying.

Daniel Kim
@hglundahl I will ask you for the verse here. I think I know what you are referring to but want to make sure.

The Law of Moses, was it Moses that gave that Law any power or GOD?

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@danielkim672 God gave the law and its human author Moses authority under Himself.

Think not that I will accuse you to the Father. There is one that accuseth you, Moses, in whom you trust.
[John 5:45]


This means, Moses still has authority.

Either way, whether they were right or wrong that Moses had authority, they were acting under the authority of the law, specifically I would say Deuteronomy 13, the grave duty of rejecting false prophets.

The Beroeans were certainly NOT yet acting within the New Covenant or under the authority of St. Paul. Just as the Old Covenant didn't foresee you could defy a direct order by the High Priest by appealing to the law of Moses as written, so the New Covenant doesn't foresee you can defy an Apostle once you accept him as such or even just double-check him.


17:35 We should reject a heretical office holder or apparent holder as not Catholic and not office holder, on the authority of the teaching of the Gospel as it came down to our fathers within living memory.

If everyone within living memory in the Catholic Church had been decidedly Heliocentric, I would have no right to stay aloof from an apparent Pope who in 1992 said "Galileo was right" which he wasn't.

Fernand Crombette was Geocentric and Young Earth Creationist, and he died in 1970, two years after I was born. No one was telling him "no, you can't" ... because no such outrageous decision was taken prior to 1992.

So, I reject Wojtyla for 1992 bc Fernand Crombette is within living memory and because no previous Pope in an official statement adressed to all the earth's Catholics had come out as decidedly either Heliocentric or Old Earth. Pius XII did come out as Old Earth in 1951, but only in a document adressed to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences.

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18:51 No, when I belong to Jesus, I'm already beyond the stage of the Beroeans who were at that point only disciples of Moses.

Jesus did NOT ask us to believe Him without any human institution as evidence, if human means consisting of human beings and visible in human affairs.

If Jesus told Apostles to teach all peoples, He expected all peoples to hear the Apostles. Not just critically, while deciding, but uncritically once they had decided.

He that heareth you, heareth me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth me; and he that despiseth me, despiseth him that sent me.
[Luke 10:16]


I am a convert. My confirmation sponsor was a convert. His confirmation sponsor was also my friend, and his reason for converting was :

How then shall they call on him, in whom they have not believed? Or how shall they believe him, of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear, without a preacher And how shall they preach unless they be sent, as it is written: How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, of them that bring glad tidings of good things
Romans 10:14-15]


In other words, we are NOT just supposed to believe Jesus because Jesus, but because credible human testimony which comes through the Church and refers to the Church.

19:56 "we all need reformation at some point"

We don't all need reformation at the same point in time. When Rome was as corrupt as Luther saw it (after that, St. Filip Neri is counted as Third Apostle of Rome), Cardinal Francisco Jiménez de Cisneros made sure that Toledo was not corrupt.

When Poland needed cleansing from Lutheran errors, Rome was already OK again (one ancestor of Lewis XVI on the side of his Polish ancestors became a Lutheran, his son became Catholic again).

20:17 "who are the Beroeans to test Paul's word?"

So far, while doing so, still un-Christian.

20:36 In some cases one can.

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction
[2 Peter 3:16]


Note that in the previous words, St. Paul was not supposed to be scrutinised according to the OT (St. Peter was not adressing Beroeans before their conversion), but adherred to:

And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation; as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you
[2 Peter 3:15]


— Yes, but Romans 2:4 is different, that's Scripture!
— OK, how were they supposed to know it was Scripture if no one told them?

This by the way confirms that Peter was writing to Romans, he was near the Tiber, not near Euphrates.

But the point is, the easiest way for Romans to know the Epistle to the Romans was Scripture was, because Peter said so.

20:46 Can you point to any Pope prior to John XXIII doing so?

By the way, when Daniel cites Nebuchadnezzar and Cyrus as adoring the true God, are they using the tetragrammaton name, or is Daniel interpreting their use of Nebo or of Ahura Mazda?

Just in case you should find one.

21:20 He is certainly not teaching obvious Catholic tradition.

The Catholic position would normally be, the Muslims have a correct philosophical grasp on what God is, but not a correct theological grasp on Who God Is.

22:05 I think pretty much all of your video has been challenging Catholicism on credentials instead of truth claims.

So, the question, why do we challenge your credentials can be answered: how do you know you are not one of the unstable and unlearned who twist the Scriptures.

If any Catholic would like to ask me that, I'd answer "I checked with Aquinas and Church Fathers on essential or doctrinal points, I just provide technical solutions" ....

24:18 As you asked for challenges, feel welcome to mine!




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