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Why I am Not Eastern Orthodox
Shameless Popery | 26 Aug. 2025
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I can break down my reasons for reverting from Romanian Orthodox into two things.
They lie or are wrong. They hate.
They lie or are wrong.
- Jesuit Inquisitors, or in an updated version, Franciscan Inquisitors, didn't condemn Peter the Aleut to death for refusing to commune in azymes. And it wasn't executed by their servants cutting small piece after small piece from his body, like Persians had done to St. John of Persia to whom incidentally Hermann of Alaska had a devotion, him being the missionary telling his Aleuts "if you go down to California, be very careful to not commune in azymes" ...
- Speaking of azymes, Michael Caerularius was wrong in saying Jesus never celebrated the Seder, but some kind of pre-allusion to it. Prepare everything for the feast (that would include getting rid of leavened bread).
- Paul (de Ballester-Convallier) of Nazianzus did not in a Catholic library find St. Robert Bellarmine saying "if the pope were to teach error or evil, the Church then is obliged", as claimed, but that could be a Protestant mistranslation (not featured in his story of leaving Catholicism, as he is supposed to have found Bellarmine in a Catholic library).
- If Kallistos Ware honestly thought that "filioque was decided at Third Council of Toledo" when Catholic Visigoths could be overreacting to Arian Visigoths, he was wrong. It is verbatim found in the confession of faith against Priscillianists at the FIRST Council of Toledo, ending in 400, so, when Hosius of Cordoba was a likelier influence than St. Augustine of Hippo.
- Hosius of Cordoba met St. Athanasius. I happen to favour Quicumque as really being by him. ONE argument against it is "it includes" (with a slightly different wording) "the filioque" which is circular. Another is "St. Athanasius wrote Greek" ... he spent two years or so in exile in Trier, which wasn't very Greek speaking, so if he didn't learn any Latin, he'd have been lazy as a missionary. There were already Jews in Trier and some parts of Quicumque read like a direct response to the argument from Shema.
They hate.
- Modernist Orthodox hate Fundamentalism. Being against condoms isn't a hit with them, neither is being YEC or Geocentric. Ratzinger was uncharitable with his comments on Africa, if you ask them (that's when I knew I had to get back to Roman and solid ground)
- Trad Orthodox hate Catholicism. How can you even imagine being Orthodox, when you neither abjured Papism nor got a Baptism by three Immersions from an Orthodox priest?
- Middle of the road like Romanides and Metallinos hate both. Filioque breaks the god breathed therapeutic experience of hesychastic prayer and so does believing in the literal truth of Genesis 5 and 11 genealogies. Either way, you are back into "religion", a psycho-physic disease.
I cannot say this covers the Patriarchate of Antioch, but that was not available to me or accessible to me in 2006.
Smaller comments
6:54 In top of that, there are EO where there are Copts.
Catholics both have Uniate Copts and Uniate Melkites. Non-Uniate Melkites are EO, more precisely GO, in Egypt.
8:37 I do not agree with your quasi-total rejection of self-shepherding.
It would follow that conversions to the Catholic Church were illicit as following neither from Catholic shepherding (which by definition the convert didn't have when deciding to convert) nor from the previous whatever shepherd (who usually isn't converting).
In a similar manner, the Catholic Church hasn't condemned individual interpretation of the Bible. The Church has said (Trent IV, Vatican I) the interpretations must never contradict the position which the Church hath held and holds, nor the consensus of the CCFF. And also that making individual interpretation the supreme norm is not a recipe for unity (Mortalium Animos).
People who can't get a father confessor they trust or find a mass they find licit are not supposed to quit Catholicism altogether and people who on a question have no immediate access to the Church's interpretation are not at fault for daring one, unless it contradicts what the Church hath held and holds or contradicts the consensus of the CCFF.
9:57 Twenty.
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