My own most maritime relatives are Gothenburgers, and seeing her obvious prowess with boats, I forgot where the School Strike began. My bad.
"Comment Greta est arrivée ici" [title, fortunately not video, automatically translated to French, and sorry, but I forgot the exact idiomatic Englisn phrase]
Jordan B Peterson Clips | 10 June 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXabYcz_LGA
0:28 Already, you are basically saying her position is due to some kind of fringe parents, the position on carbon emissions that is.
In Sweden, it's arguably opposition to that narrative that's likely to come from fringe parents.
Plus the idea that if a fringe parent succeeds in transmitting the values to her progeny, it's by being very domineering.
That's idiocy too, but totally irrelevant for Miss Thunberg. She heard the climate apocalypticism from very mainstream science in a very mainstreal school, which was so mainstream it conducted some kind of diagnostic procedure about autism, because obviously a diagnosis is good for treatment ... in certain domains of what academically counts as medicine, treatment is not actually so likely to be a real benefit.
0:39 Plus, and here your misassessment of her position overlaps very much with misassessments of YEC, you think that if there is a collective blind spot, it is due to a conspiracy by people about the moral level of Dr. Mabuse.
How about prejudice rather than lies? How about conniving with people boosting your prejudice rather than conspiring elaborately with people who would have no chance of maintaining the prejudice other than by very illegal means being secretly employed?
So, no, your pseudo-empathy is definitely about as gross as Mr. Trump's when he recommended anger management classes about a Miss Thunberg who is visibly a very composed and usually pretty smiling person.
0:44 As you mentioned industry, I do think the carbon scare is a conspiratorial deflection from real environmental issues with the industry.
Dupond and teflon production? Don't get me wrong, teflon itself is safe, if you ingest it, it will get through your bowels, it's too big to get into your blood stream. I mean another molecule that is also built on Fluorine tied to Carbon, much smaller, and actually different molecules. "C-8 is dangerous" -- "ah, there are no studies saying C-6 is dangerous" ... those short molecules can get into the bloodstream, do accumulate, are not digested, do cause cancer.
And they hid facts as long as they legally could from Rob Bilott, the lawyer of a farmer whose cows were going bad, close to that factory.
On that level of capitalists, yes, there are conspiracies.
1:09 You even garble the facts.
Fridays for the Future started 20 augusti 2018. ("augusti" is Swedish for August).
"Greta Tintin Eleonora Ernman Thunberg, född 3 januari 2003"
So, the actual age when the Climate Strike started was 15 years, 7 months, 17 days.
"i Stockholm"
Oops, my bad. I had recently qualified her as from Gothenburg, because my own maritime relatives being from there.
Now, returning to you, if someone takes a girl aged nearly 16 and describes her as 13, what does that say about one's attitude to that girl?
Now, it was only "15 mars 2019" that the strike became global. By then Miss Thunberg was 16 years, 2 months, 12 days.
She only appeared in Lausanne at a conference 5 Aug 2019. 16 years, 7 months, 2 days.
That's the real age for what you consider a "girl of 13" ... when she came up with "how dare you" she was not expecting to be listened to, or not more than half, that's why she was somewhat less smiling than recently.
1:16 Confused and a bit autistic ... the only diagnosis that's actually given is "a bit autistic" (Asperger, back when that was a diagnosis).
13 in Lausanne, you are confused about her actual age.
1:32 How much of a backwater is Canada really?
What she said was totally mainstream. Especially in Europe.
As to your total ineptitude about the mother (an opera singer who couldn't function in the environment of Swedish opera by being a domineering fringe parent), it matches your ineptitude about European affairs and about Miss Thunberg's year of birth (unless it was you found Lausanne conference as being "ten years ago" due to things before Covid seeming long ago, now).
2:03 Environmental and economic ...
No, you are inept again. To Thunberg, as to most Swedes, and indeed to all, in a sufficient pinch, environment trumps economy.
The difference is, if the environment is destroyed, there is no economy (total good sense, as far as that goes, not necessarily agreeing with her example back then), there are two reactions to that.
"Well, my good sense about the economy says, we can't assume the environment is an urgency"
"You can't eat money or drink crypto-money"
That's the whole point about the confrontation back then. And that is why her "authority" about economy was never the issue in the first place. That you think it is, clearly lowers your credibility.
I can give climate sceptics the benefit of the doubt that she may have been wrong about what carbon in the atmosphere would do. But I can't give an economist the benefit of the doubt, if she was right on climate science, that we can still wait, because the economy demands it.
And her take on climate science, over here in Europe, it's not the take of fringe parents, it's exactly what they teach in public education. It's not what you get from a parent who's worried the Antichrist will appear in a few years, it's what you get from teachers making fun of that parent and pitying that child for too domineering parents.
2:37 If Greta Thunberg got a diagnosis, it's because her mother was the very opposite of a fringe mother like that of, I presume, Amala Ekpunobi (sorry in advance if I got that wrong).
Greta's parents thought that psychology and psychiatry could be trusted, and had no problem letting her go to the examinations.
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Here is how PragerU characterises Amala Ekpunobi:
Raised in a far-left activist household, Amala Ekpunobi was once a student organizer for the left.
In Sweden, no one in his right mind would take the Thunberg family as far left.
No one. In 2020, she was guest chief editor of Dagens Nyheter.
Political alignment: Independent liberal.
By the way, it's owned by the Bonnier concern, which is the Swedish equivalent of the Springer concern. The Bonnier family seems to have an ancestor on the Jewish cemetery of Copenhagen. If you are far left or Antisemite, you don't get even a Letter to an editor through in DN, let alone have them make you visiting chief editor for one day.
And you also don't get that position by being incompetent and fear driven.
3:00 So, Ekpunobi is also mischaracterising the age of Greta when the School strike started? Or especially when they started getting traction (Schwartzy was not a world leader in 2018, that's only 2019, Lausanne, and by then Schwartzy gained as much from her as she did in visibility before the public eye).
3:25 So, not being "able to question oneself" is being in an awful situation?
Like, what happened to Jordan's view on boldness being a good thing for society? Now suddenly everyone is supposed to tie themselves into knots and question themselves, a bit like sessions of autocriticism in the Chinese Reeducation camps ...
Or is that just a case of "we want boldness on our side, but for the other side we teach diffidence"?
4:33 To their "prideful narcissism" ...
A Prot said "prideful" and a Shrink said "narcissism" in the same breath.
Narcissism is not a scientific diagnosis, it's a moral evaluation of someone as "prideful" ... it is often enough handled by people who have Protestant or Jewish definitions about what is prideful.
But the actual criteria of what's supposed to be scientific do not match the correct and Catholic definitions of what is pride.
4:33 bis.
The invitation to change the world is actually not just behinds lots of activism, but also behind lots of industrialism, and lots of war crimes.
Some people both in 1945 and right now think they are conducting a war to make the world a place with no more antisemitism ever. That's changing the world.
Teflon started out as an asset for building bombs (changing the world, again!) and ended up as an asset for kitchens, making mums less overworked (changing the world, again!).
But somehow, the only ones who are "prideful" or "narcissists" depending on whether you put the Protestant hat on or the Psychologist hat on are activists. Because industrialists, politicians, militaries, that's the kind of people you just don't attack.
5:04 Catch 22. Someone advocates for some oppressed group.
Are you part of it?
If not, did they elect you?
If yes, aren't you pleading your own cause (I know some Americans have trouble with that, they got disgusted with Dickens* for thinking himself wronged and complaining)?
And by the way, if you are, how about oppressing you some more so you can't be heard?
I haven't read that novel. As it happens, I don't have all that much sympathy either for pretending to be insane or for shirking your duty as a soldier. But the kind of set-up that's characterised by the novel title, it can't be unlearned how awkward that is.
6:18 "understand the world and their place in it?"
There are lots of young people who have a place in it they have good reasons to prefer changing over understanding. Some who are not so young too.
Understanding one's place in the world is usually synonym to someone in an underdog position prevented from independence "understanding" how it still makes perfect sense.
There were bank robber victims in Norrmalmstorg, in Stockholm, who understood their place on the floor, because they understood the bank robber.
So, lack of Stockholm syndrome = lack of interest in understanding things?
I think it's a very solid understanding of things, perhaps misapplied due to mainstream climate science, that without environment, economy makes no sense.
And apart from from the question on carbon emissions, and not being a Fundie Catholic, Thunberg has a story of understanding the world. 2014–2015 (when she was 11-12) she was in Vi i Femman. A Swedish quiz programme. Not the place you land if you are all action and no reflection.
[To be continued?]
* Sourced, Chesterton's biography of Charles Dickens.
