Friday, October 20, 2017

Alternatives to my own Creationist C14 Model (quora)

Relating Carbon 14 to Biblical Chronology, what detailed attempts are there out there (details in comment)?

Hans-Georg Lundahl
Aug 28
I know of my own attempt, trying to identify archaeology moments with Biblical moments, carbon dates with Biblical dates, and where the number of extra years are used to determine a level of C14 at the time, while the extrapolated rise in C14 is used to determine Biblical = real = date for any given carbon date between the “Biblical” carbon dates.

I am doing parallel tables for different versions of Biblical chronology. For Syncellus and for St Jerome, both LXX based, but also sometimes for Ussher, even though I think his version less likely.

I am fairly consistently ignoring Libby and concentrating on Cambridge half life. Trying to find out how fast Carbon 14 is forming and what this implies for how much stronger presumably cosmic radiation was is a priority, that is indeed the question which sparked my interest into full flame.

I know of Tas Walker’s attempt, he is more interested in identifying moments of geology (like glacial maximum) with Biblical moments, and in making a kind of curve for calibration factors - very parallel to the calibration factors given in the standard curve as to format, just take Libby date and multiply with factor.

I know Setterfield, unlike me and Tas Walker, thinks speed of light and hence of radioactive decay may have slowed down. This taking care of a lot of other radioactive dates besides carbon dates.

I think Anne Habermehl - also not distinguishing carbon from other radio dates - is doing a Setterfield type of thing, but am not sure.

Jean Dieudonné
Future scientist and young earth creationist
Answered Aug 28
Everything that comes after the flood in ca. 2400 B. C. is, with a grain of salt, datable by 14C (it has to fit the requirements for the dating method of course). And that is the reason of why biblical archaeology uses this dating method. It is though not possible to verify the complete Biblical chronology by using any of the radiometric dating methods.


Hans-Georg Lundahl
Aug 28
I was not speaking of using the radiometric dating to verify the Biblical chronology, but of giving a correspondence between the uniformitarian dates and the Biblical / real ones.

I think you might want to read the details given in my comment to the question.

Precisely in Biblical archaeology, it may be of some interest to know how the carbon 14 content was rising, at least approximatively.

For instance, Genesis 14 is tied to either neolithic pre-pottery or chalcolithic of En-Geddi.

Assuming it was chalcolithic, the year when Abraham was c. 80 would match a carbon year of 3400 BC - i e before the Flood.

Assuming it was neolithic, you would even be dating a carbon date of 9600 - 8600, Göbekli Tepe, to Abraham’s lifetime. I prefer chalcolithic for Genesis 14 and GT for Genesis 11.

On the other hand, at the sacking of Jerusalem in 583 BC, the carbon date matches the historical date.

My work is about following the matches through Biblical history, with some kind of accuracy.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
Just now
As I have exceeded my request limit, would you mind requesting some answers?

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