Tuesday, February 1, 2022

Shadiversity on Medieval Guilds

What were Medieval Guilds really like? | Medieval Misconceptions
28th Jan. 2022 | Shadiversity

10:16 Weren't there also opening fees?

Theodor Mommsen was in general against the guild system, but he argued, allowing just anyone to open a bakery in Leipzig would be stealing from those who had paid an opening fee (if that's the term) to the bakers' guild, under the up to then system (prior to 1848).

10:35 I think you are somewhat mistaken.

In Germany - HRE - all sub-guilds were part of a set number of big guilds and one of the things about running Strassburg was determining to what greater guild a certain trade belonged.

Imagine book printing is invented. Does it belong with bookbinders and book copyers already extant or with something else?

And all trades without exception were run by these larger guilds, Zünfte.

In France, some trades were guild compulsory, some trades were free, and some were "guild possible". The guilds in any place would be way more numerous than in a German city.

What you are saying reads a bit like "Germany developed into France" which is as inaccurate on this theme as in general.

100 -> 350 = more trades became guild trades. Less remained guild free.

Both numbers reflect the idea that guilds are organised, as usual in France proper (not parts of HRE that only later joined France) were organised as a trade seemed to need it.

In Germany or HRE, the "umbrella guilds" remained few up to the end. And, correspondingly, big.

Wait, 100, 90, 70 guilds ... wouldn't these still often be sub-guilds of larger guilds, something like 24 or so overall (Hamburg, Lubeck, Cologne were obviously HRE, not France)?

Obviously, all German cities did not have the same constitutions, one often copied one was the Magdeburg constitution, which was copied a lot in Eastern Europe (Vilnius, Prague too, I think ...) so it could be that the ones you mentioned had other constitutions than the one I knew (from a book the French author of which would have known of the Germanies most intensely the parts that are disputed 1681, 1870, 1919 and again 1940-45).

24:28 If it's spelled "Hinkmer" or "Hincmer" you pronounced it correctly.

There is another form, Hincmar, and you pronounce the syllables hink and mar, and the first one somewhat stronger.

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