Wednesday, February 9, 2022

Geologic Column : Absent from Land Vertebrate Palaeontology


Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere : Gutsick Gibbon on Cross Disciplinarity Outlawed in Academia, Heat Problem, Gate-Keeping · Gutsick Gibbon's Five Points Answered, I, Heat Problem and Extra on Absence of Solutions As Criterium · Gutsick Gibbon on Overturning Paradigms and Castile Formation · Geologic Column : Absent from Land Vertebrate Palaeontology · Continuing with Kevin · Creation vs. Evolution : Could Guy Berthault Conduct a New Experiment, Please? · Correspondence of Hans Georg Lundahl : Correspondence with Gutsick Gibbon (Erika) and with Kevin R. Henke

How are dinosaur footprints and eggs evidence for a global Flood? - Dr. Art Chadwick
3 July 2020 | Is Genesis History?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC_YlyYHo40


Richard Thomas
Have human bones ever been found among the pile of dinosaur remains?

Hans-Georg Lundahl
In response to you and diverging from the guys in the video, I'd state, no, but that's because they didn't live along them.

I consider much more was buried in situ than they think, and asking for human bones among dino ones would be like asking for them among lion ones, if the Flood were to occur in today's Africa : we don't live among lions, we rather avoid them.

Richard Thomas
@Hans-Georg Lundahl Thank you. Your input was an interesting answer that I will ponder.

ozowen
No, humans were not around when the dinosaurs were.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@ozowen When - or where?

If you knew of a herd of T. Rex 100 km W, would you head West?

ozowen
@Hans-Georg Lundahl
I don't understand your post. I said humans were not around when dinosaurs were around.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@ozowen Yes, and I suggested, what if it was rather "where" that they weren't around?

The evidence of not finding human bones with dino bones could be explained both ways, you know.

A distance of 100 km or a distance of a few decades to centuries of millions of years ... both would give the result of not finding bones together. Or so rarely the discovery could be still just upcoming.

What makes you prefer the "when" interpretation?

ozowen
@Hans-Georg Lundahl
They would have to be in the same strata, same time periods. Since they are never found in those periods, the question is more than a little redundant.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@ozowen So, your criterium for periods is strata.

In Anckerschlag in Tyrol, you have a stratum that has a pterosaur. In Lienz in Upper Austria you have a stratum that has a whale. There have been found no pterodactyls below the whale.

In Heidelberg, there is a man or some ... there is no whale stratum below him and also no pteordactyl stratum below him.

How do you know the different strata, named and defined for differences in fauna, partly also flora, represent different periods?

ozowen
@Hans-Georg Lundahl
Evidence please.
I found nothing to support those claims.

Two weeks
later on:

ozowen
@Hans-Georg Lundahl
OK, so claims but no evidence.
I can shelve that as nonsense then.

Btw, why would a whale need a pterasaur below it?


I just posted an answer - and it didn't appear on the thread. (11:42 Paris time, 8.II.2022) and it is possible I did so two weeks ago too. Now, next day, 9.II.2022, it succeeds:

Hans-Georg Lundahl
@ozowen I tried to post an answer yesterday. I clicked and my work just disappeared from the thread. As I am making a blog post out of this exchange, I am taking precautions, like saving a copy before posting it as comment.

Now, the Austriacodactylus is Middle Norian. Norian overall is 227 to 208.5 MYA. Obviously, according to your school, which is what I am discussing the problems of. Middle of that is 217.75 MYA.

Cetotheriopsis lintianus is Chattian. Around 25.565 MYA.

217.75 - 25.565 = 192.185 MY.

Time enough for what was land to become sea, right? Especially since Chattian seas have in a much shorter time become land. But there is no Norian critter found under the Chattian whale in Linz, either land or sea, and there is no Chattian critter found above the Pterosaur in Tyrol, either sea or land. So, the thing is not just that there are no Norian critters under the Chattian in Linz or Chattian above the Norian ones in Tyrol. There are no such superpositions anywhere, except marine ones. Obviously, in marine environments, you find different critters at different levels, but as whales and plesiosaurs would occupy about same depth, in Flood geology you would not find a whale above a plesiosaur, in uniformitarian, you arguably sooner or later would, as depth of sediment are supposed to reflect depth of time. This has not yet happened. To the best of my knowledge.


Disappears again ... something like youtube censorship ...

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