New blog on the kid: Sharing About Sr. Lucy of Fatima · Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Christine Niles on (against) the claims of "Fake Sister Lucy"
'Fake' Sister Lucy Revisited | FORWARD BOLDLY
Christine Niles | 26.XI.2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ7KAIK_CGs
I take it, your position is, Elderly Sister Lucy's angles look different because she has lost teeth?
[This is much of the content of the second half, which I have not commented on item by item.]
4:31 Dead things can swim with the stream, only living creatures can swim against it!
4:41 I don't like confrontation over people, but I love confrontation about ideas.
Yesterday, someone citing CSL considered that in the Medieval Worldview, the Primum Mobile (I think that might have been the Materia Prima) moved out of love for God.
Nope. That's one Medieval worldview, but not the Catholic one, in the Catholic one, God actively moves the Primum Mobile (God moving the Universe around us each day) and actively endows the Materia Prima with form and therefore substantiality (back at Creation or at any subsequent creation event).
At least that was the view at the university of Paris, it is possible what I spoke against may have been better regarded in the School of St. Victor, for the authors of which CSL had a great fondness.
6:37 The family could, if the theory were true, have acted under pressure (even going along so as to save her life). The community and top clergy in the province could back then have been motivated by extreme obedience and also a sense of discretion, like in 1950 the Franciscans in a part of the Netherlands, they had abused a pupil and made sure he came to first mental hospital for homosexuality and then castrated. In the Netherlands, a "community first" sentiment came from living in a Calvinist majority country. In Spain and Portugal, the Church had in living memory been persecuted.
Between 1926 and 1946, she was in Spain, in Pontevedra, which is, unlike the Carmel of Coimbra, about as far North of Fatima as the South tip of Portugal is South of Fatima. So, those years, I don't think she received all that many visits. Also, as she was at this point a Dorothean, she was busy teaching.
7:09 Conclavists also believe that "Paul VI" and "John Paul II" were no valid Popes.
But we do believe there is a valid one today, Michael II, and has been most of the time from 1990, emergency election of Michael I.
So, I came across this via the Dimond Brothers, who, yes, have promoted the thesis of Turnowski.
8:57 I just saw that "John Paul II" consecrated Russia and Ukraine, while the Fatima request mentioned only Russia.
Now, the Kiev Rus' to which Ukraine is heir and Muscovite Russia doubtfully heir was already consecrated to Mary, much like France by (I think) Lewis XIII.
My reading of Fatima consecration request is, a) allowing Russia to catch up with Ukraine, and b) Pope stepping in for the lacking goodwill of the sovereigns, these being most of the time concerned, including 1984, Commies, at least the de facto sovereigns.
Have you heard of the apparitions of Hrushiv (in Russian that would be Grushov)?
11:36 In Romania, the couple Ceaucescu were actually executed in a less than fully court procedures manner. I don't claim Lewis XVI and Maria Antonia, best known as Marie Antoinette, got a fair hearing, but they had more court procedure. I also don't claim the Ceaucescu couple was innocent (except they had done one good thing: banned abortion), and they didn't deserve it, but their overthrow was not fully peaceful.
Now, the promise related to the effective consecration was not just peace, but also conversion of Russia.
Today, Russia has more abortions than Ukraine, I think is the fifth leading country in Europe as continent and all top five are either Romania or former Soviet Republics (none of them Ukraine). Abortion was introduced into Romania after the Ceaucescu couple was executed.
Meanwhile Russia has obliterated the Ukrainian and Tatar communities in Crimea and the parts of Donbass they already control. Putin promotes plutocratic oligarchy and it's spreading. Putin says abortion should be fought by persuasion, not bans. Putin's best admirers tend to promote "Christianity and Evolution are not in conflict" which is an error (also spread by Wojtyla in the 1992 CCC), and "taking the Apocalypse as foresight of events is Zionism" (which is certainly not true in my case, since I take it the Knesset today is both Sodom and Egypt, considering the Pride Parades and what is done to Gaza, so, I think Apocalypse 11 is soon upcoming, with Henoch and Elias witnessing against Zionism). Putin is perfectly capable of having goodwill with total incompetence as to apprehension of facts. You recall that clip when he laughed at the idea of pork exports to Indonesia, unaware that Indonesia has Christian and Hindu minorities and that tourism also involves people who eat pork? He also promotes the idea that denying the gas chambers killed so and so many of this or that community is an agression against it.
12:38 Yugoslavia also disbanded.
This pretty quickly led to the Balkan wars. A repeat move of Assisi 1986 was done by Wojtyla in 1995 or 1994 ... and the massacre of Srebrenica followed. Former Yugoslavia, to this day, is not a peaceful area.
However, not only did Wojtyla meet Gorbatchev, he also knew exactly what Polish priest in the Vatican was a KGB agent.
If the Fall of the Wall and the disbanding of the Soviet Union were not miracles, they could have been negotiated sham victories, with Wojtyla hollowing them. Meeting a Rabbi and then the Assisi meeting before the fall of the wall were shows of "Catholicism is not exclusivist or antisemite" (in the sense that word has been applied to Catholicism) ... betraying Mgr Lefebvre, betraying converts in Sweden, betraying Fr. Mawdsley. In 1992, and around, CCC and "Interpretation of the Bible in the Church" were a payment afterwards, with the message "we don't allow people to oppose the theory of Evolution" (I had missed it, or overlooked it, since I was a Ecclesia Dei to FSSPX type trad at the time, only found out in 2001) and in the same weeks as they were praying for peace in the Balkans with Orthodox and Muslims and maybe more, there was some kind of reconciliation with psychiatry, thereby betraying any Catholic persecuted by it. This is my conspiracy theory about the apparent miracle.
12:52 Conversion of Russia, Russia is not yet converted from that Schism.
The Ukrainian Uniate Church is not legally recognised in Russia, and religious activity other than by recognised churches is an offense in Russia. As Fr. Charron mentioned, if he tried to celebrate Mass anywhere in Russia, he would go to prison. The FSSPX has a presence in the St. Petersburg region.
It has also started to pay Russia by cracking down on Creationist polemics.
Up to 1988, Revd Bryan Houghton was very good friends with Mgr Lefebvre, though in that year, like Dom Gérard, he chose Ecclesia Dei. Now this obviously means, Lefebvre saw nothing wrong in Bryan Houghton openly arguing against the Theory of Evolution (which he traces to Buddhism). At present, Father Robinson FSSPX is campaigning against Young Earth Creationism under the pretense it is some kind of bad fruit of the "bad tree" of Sola Scriptura, whereas in reality, Young Earth Creationism is the historic view of Catholics. In 1860 or so, when US Baptists split over the issue while also splitting over slavery, Catholics were in the vast majority Young Earth Creationists. But Father Robinson takes the decision of 1909 as a magisterial ban on Young Earth Creationism, which it obviously isn't.
13:14 So the supposed Sister Lucy saw those changes but didn't see the other side?
13:59 Yes, to him as to Kant (mentioned by Robert Barron), the Christian faith is something you practise ... it is not something you hold and defend as notionally true.
He's about as Orthodox as Dag Hammarsköld was Lutheran. I e, not at all insofar as the Confessions are supposed to be Christian heterodoxies rather than rituals masking apostasy.
14:27 Putin's own party, however, promotes the selected Communist tenets that Putin and Kirill still hold to.
Like "abortion must be fought with persuasion, not actual legal bans" or "Evolution is true, a Christian isn't supposed to oppose 'Science' " ...
Both of which are clearly Communist rather than Christian views, on key issues.
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